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consecrator
bishop who presided as consecrator or co-consecrator of this bishop

Description	bishop who presided as consecrator or co-consecrator of this bishop
Represents	consecrator and co-consecrator (Q4231232)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"consecrated_by" in en:Infobox Christian leader (and "consecrated" for the date)
Domain	According to this template: instance of (P31) position held (P39): bishop (Q29182), auxiliary bishop (Q75178), titular bishop (Q948657), archbishop (Q49476), metropolitan (Q189854), pope (Q19546) or subclass According to statements in the property: person (Q215627) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	instance of (P31) position held (P39): bishop (Q29182) or subclass (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example	Pope Francis (Q450675) → Antonio Quarracino (Q604515) Fabio Fabene (Q15734379) → Pope Francis (Q450675)
Source	http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1598 (Q23909021)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P1598 Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 87,848 Main statement 87,266 99.3% of uses Qualifier 581 0.7% of uses Reference 1 <0.1% of uses
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Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Item “position held (P39): archbishop (Q49476), cardinal (Q45722), auxiliary bishop (Q75178), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921), bishop of the Old Catholic Church (Q63385538), metropolitan (Q189854), titular bishop (Q948657), titular archbishop (Q50362553), patriarch (Q171692), pope (Q19546), Latin Catholic bishop (Q102039658), catholic eparch (Q60232704), diocesan bishop (Q1144278), antipope (Q172748), Roman Catholic metropolitan archbishop (Q105393558), Bishop of the Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland (Q9171997), archbishop of Kalocsa (Q115706887), Archbishop of Esztergom (Q991848), coadjutor bishop (Q853982), vicar apostolic (Q15253909), schismatic bishop (Q125940347), sedevacantist bishop (Q93479209), no label (Q84037214)”: Items with this property should also have “position held (P39): archbishop (Q49476), cardinal (Q45722), auxiliary bishop (Q75178), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921), bishop of the Old Catholic Church (Q63385538), metropolitan (Q189854), titular bishop (Q948657), titular archbishop (Q50362553), patriarch (Q171692), pope (Q19546), Latin Catholic bishop (Q102039658), catholic eparch (Q60232704), diocesan bishop (Q1144278), antipope (Q172748), Roman Catholic metropolitan archbishop (Q105393558), Bishop of the Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland (Q9171997), archbishop of Kalocsa (Q115706887), Archbishop of Esztergom (Q991848), coadjutor bishop (Q853982), vicar apostolic (Q15253909), schismatic bishop (Q125940347), sedevacantist bishop (Q93479209), no label (Q84037214)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Item P39

Property “position held (P39): archbishop (Q49476), cardinal (Q45722), auxiliary bishop (Q75178), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921), bishop of the Old Catholic Church (Q63385538), metropolitan (Q189854), patriarch (Q171692), pope (Q19546), titular archbishop (Q50362553), Bishop of the Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland (Q9171997), diocesan bishop (Q1144278), titular bishop (Q948657), coadjutor archbishop (Q114371233), coadjutor bishop (Q853982), Roman Catholic metropolitan archbishop (Q105393558), schismatic bishop (Q125940347), no label (Q84037214), sedevacantist bishop (Q93479209)” declared by target items of “consecrator (P1598)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “position held (P39): archbishop (Q49476), cardinal (Q45722), auxiliary bishop (Q75178), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921), bishop of the Old Catholic Church (Q63385538), metropolitan (Q189854), patriarch (Q171692), pope (Q19546), titular archbishop (Q50362553), Bishop of the Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland (Q9171997), diocesan bishop (Q1144278), titular bishop (Q948657), coadjutor archbishop (Q114371233), coadjutor bishop (Q853982), Roman Catholic metropolitan archbishop (Q105393558), schismatic bishop (Q125940347), no label (Q84037214), sedevacantist bishop (Q93479209)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Target required claim P39, SPARQL

Item “religion or worldview (P140): Catholicism (Q1841), Old Catholics (Q5169816), Catholic Church (Q9592), Latin Church (Q597526), Maronite Church (Q64900), Church of England (Q82708), Episcopal Church (Q682443), Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (Q730726), Eastern Orthodox Church (Q35032), Coptic Orthodox Church (Q198998), Palmarian Christian Church (Q1896691), Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland (Q1379796), Lutheranism (Q75809)”: Items with this property should also have “religion or worldview (P140): Catholicism (Q1841), Old Catholics (Q5169816), Catholic Church (Q9592), Latin Church (Q597526), Maronite Church (Q64900), Church of England (Q82708), Episcopal Church (Q682443), Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (Q730726), Eastern Orthodox Church (Q35032), Coptic Orthodox Church (Q198998), Palmarian Christian Church (Q1896691), Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland (Q1379796), Lutheranism (Q75809)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Item P140

Value type “human (Q5)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value human (Q5) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Value type Q5, SPARQL

Property “given name (P735)” declared by target items of “consecrator (P1598)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “given name (P735)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Target required claim P735, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)

Property “sex or gender (P21): male (Q6581097)” declared by target items of “consecrator (P1598)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “sex or gender (P21): male (Q6581097)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Target required claim P21, SPARQL

Property “date of birth (P569)” declared by target items of “consecrator (P1598)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Target required claim P569, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)

Qualifiers “object has role (P3831), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL

Type “person (Q215627)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “person (Q215627)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Type Q215627, SPARQL

Item “given name (P735)”: Items with this property should also have “given name (P735)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Item P735, search, SPARQL

Item “sex or gender (P21): male (Q6581097)”: Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21): male (Q6581097)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Item P21, search, SPARQL

Item “position held (P39)”: Items with this property should also have “position held (P39)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Item P39, search, SPARQL

Citation needed: the property must have at least one reference (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#citation needed

Item “occupation (P106): bishop (Q29182), Catholic bishop (Q611644), Latin Catholic bishop (Q102039658), Oriental Orthodox bishop (Q102385896), Greek Orthodox bishop (Q105630354), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921)”: Items with this property should also have “occupation (P106): bishop (Q29182), Catholic bishop (Q611644), Latin Catholic bishop (Q102039658), Oriental Orthodox bishop (Q102385896), Greek Orthodox bishop (Q105630354), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Item P106, search

Property “occupation (P106): bishop (Q29182), Catholic bishop (Q611644), Latin Catholic bishop (Q102039658), Oriental Orthodox bishop (Q102385896), Greek Orthodox bishop (Q105630354), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921)” declared by target items of “consecrator (P1598)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “occupation (P106): bishop (Q29182), Catholic bishop (Q611644), Latin Catholic bishop (Q102039658), Oriental Orthodox bishop (Q102385896), Greek Orthodox bishop (Q105630354), Catholic archbishop (Q48629921)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1598#Target required claim P106, SPARQL

This property is being used by: hu:Sablon:Személy infobox/Püspök be-x-old:Шаблён:Папа рымскі nl:Sjabloon:Infobox persoon Wikidata vec:Modeło:Infobox de Cardenałe, vec:Modeło:Infobox de Véscovo be-tarask:Шаблён:Папа рымскі Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Qualifier suggestions

• P794 (P794): principal consecrator (Q18442817), principal co-consecrator (Q18442822), principal co-consecrator (Q18442828)

Not all bishops are male

In using sex or gender (P21) there are some exeptions like Eva Brunne (Q121753) Maria Jepsen (Q69074) Victoria Matthews (Q2522776) Rosemarie Wenner (Q91157)

Statement vs qualifier

In my opinion, it should be used as qualifier of the bishop (Q29182) when appears as position held (P39) or occupation (P106) of a person (see John Paul II (Q989) as exemple). It make no sense as statement, because it is not a personal characteristic, it's a characteristic of its bishop (Q29182) condition, it means a characteristic of the relationship person-status. Any opinion ?. --Amadalvarez (talk) 05:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Change (English) label to "consecrated by" ?

It might be easier to figure out who consecrated whom with a label "consecrated by" or "has consecrator" instead of the current "consecrator". It shouldn't change the way the property is used. --- Jura 15:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Widening the property?

@Jura1, Giftzwerg 88: (and Hsarrazin / Thierry Caro) hello. I suggest the property to be widened to diaconal and priestly ordinations. Consecration is indeed the logical following of these two sacraments, that also deal with the notion of apostolic succession. What do you think?

Thanks! Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC).

I think in these case of a priest or diacon it is not appropriate. Maybe it has some siginificance in the life of the priest, but I don´t think it has the same gravitas in the life of the bishop. After all the thousands of priests and diacons are not notable, so these persons must have some more criteria other than ordination to make them notable.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 09:19, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Well, sure... I never said that being ordained de facto makes a priest WD-notable. I only would like to deal with the mention of the ordination of the notable ones (including bishops that are first priests...). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC).

I agree that this property existing already, we should probably deal with all similar things through dedicated properties rather than significant person (P3342). Now… should this property see its scope widened or should we get a new property for cases that are not covered yet? For the sake of avoiding multiple qualifiers on bishops, I guess I would rather have a brand new property for priestly ordinations. But then I wouldn't be shocked if we ended up having everything stored under one roof. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

OK. Could you please discuss this example? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:38, 14 December 2020 (UTC).

OK. If this is already used that way regardless of whether or not this is for bishops, then I guess we can just rename this property here right away! You have my support. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Include occupation as well?

@Epìdosis, shouldn't some of these constraints be under occupation (P106) now, rather than position held (P39)? Elizium23 (talk) 03:35, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Elizium23: of course; it should be ok now. --Epìdosis 07:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Constraint property P39

Hello, I would like to change the constraint for position held (P39) to the property occupation (P106). We work to transform all general fonction to specific fonction like Michel Dubost (Q551291) to Hippolyte Simon (Q1620042). So when the work is done the constraint reveal a problem because for example Archbishop of Clermont (Q63975409) is not one of the case of the constraint but a "sous-class". Olivier LPB (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)