Talk:Q12773225
Latest comment: 1 year ago by DarwIn in topic instance of social class AND subclass of human
Autodescription — enslaved person (Q12773225)
description: person in a state of slavery
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@SashiRolls: why it should be necessary a human? There are some characters which are also slaves. --Infovarius (talk) 23:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sure. Are characters persons? I suppose that corporate persons can also be enslaved to their bigger clients, who are themselves characters in a page-turning rebranded legal fiction. :)
- What do you think about slavery (Q8463) being an instance of torture while serfdom (Q103350) is an instance of social relation? SashiRolls (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- To my mind person can be real or fictional, no relation to legal fiction. Can you propose another common ancestor to human and fictional human?
- Classification now is a random relations, honestly :) It should be improved somehow. --Infovarius (talk) 21:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- My understanding of the current consensus is that the relation between the fictional concept tree and the factual concept tree is that of object and shadow; each fictional concept points to the real equivalent with 'fictional analogue of', but otherwise there is minimal interaction. So probably the best way to phrase a constraint is simply to include both 'human' and 'fictional character' (and also 'human who may be fictional' in this case). Arlo Barnes (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
instance of social class AND subclass of human edit
I enhanced several items, e.g., John Newton (Q357301) by adding enslaved person (Q12773225) as a subclass of human (Q5) and my edits were reverted, with the statement that:
- "enslaved person (Q12773225) is not a subclass of human (Q5). Enslaved persons are fully human, no subclasses."
- It may be redundant since to identify an enslaved person (Q12773225) as a human since it is also an instance of social classification (P3716) but clearly, stated on the item, an enslaved person (Q12773225), is Subclass of human.
- I hope @User:MassiveEartha and others will join this conversation
- * User_talk:Sadads#Your_to_do_list_-_occupations_and_enslavement
- * Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/04#Category:Devşirme
BethGuay (talk) 17 May 17:48 (UTC)
- You were rightly reverted. Slaves are not a subset of humans, by any stretch of imagination. They are regular humans / persons enduring the temporary condition of slavery.-- Darwin Ahoy! 01:50, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Slaves are people under a condition (slavery), not a subclass of humans! edit
Please don't add "human" and "person" as subclasses to slaves. Slaves are not any particular subset of humans who were born with that fate (!!), or have a specific personality - they are just regular humans under a temporary condition (slavery). It's the same situation as Prisoner. Darwin Ahoy! 01:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)