Property talk:P1191

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DescriptionDate of first performance of a theater piece etc.
Representspremière (Q204854)
Data typePoint in time
Template parameter|UA= in de:Vorlage:Infobox Drama
According to this template: Instances of work (Q386724)
According to statements in the property:
work (Q386724), group of works (Q17489659), performing arts production (Q43099500), live broadcast (Q26261757) or series of performances (Q43100730)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values ≤ 𝓧 ≤ unknown
ExampleIntrigue and Love (Q263150)
The War of the Worlds (Q24958)
Tracking: sameno label (Q42533414)
Tracking: differencesno label (Q57386475)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P1191 (Q23909071)
Tracking: local yes, WD nono label (Q57386553)
See alsolocation of first performance (P4647), publication date (P577), date of the first one (P7124)
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Main statement58,93899.8% of uses
Qualifier1030.2% of uses
Reference2<0.1% of uses
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Range from “-0500-00-00T00:00:00Z” to “now”: values should be in the range from “-0500-00-00T00:00:00Z” to “now”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1191#Range, SPARQL (new)
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1191#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
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Upper range limitEdit

Why is the upper limit for the range the current time? Future dates should be accepted, if they have reference. If they turn out not to happen they can be depreciated (with reference why that didn't happen to be the premiere). – Máté (talk) 18:34, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

@Máté: This seems acceptable to me too too as long it's trivial or if there is sources. It seems logical to accept value in the future for dates as we already wildely accept items about future concepts, especially for events like 2020 Summer Olympics (Q181278), 2024 Summer Olympics (Q995653), 2028 Summer Olympics (Q1451505), etc. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Change of the label from "first performance" to "date of first performance"Edit

Reason: Avoid confusion with "first representation of" (which links the item of the first performance to the item of the performing arts production. For more context, see the reasoning at: Wikidata:WikiProject_Performing_arts/Data_sources/CH. --Beat Estermann (talk) 11:15, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

should only be used for live performanceEdit

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For broadcast media, this should be used only if it is a live broadcast. For non-live broadcast should use publication date (P577) instead. --Ans (talk) 14:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

But the first screening (red carpet premiere) is usually not the same as the date of release (publication). The two properties indicate different things. – Máté (talk) 20:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

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