Property talk:P1308

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Jura1 in topic Use instead of head of government (P6)?

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officeholder
persons who hold and/or held an office or noble title
DescriptionA person who is the holder of an office or position; inverse of position held (P39).
Representsincumbent (Q42841), office held (Q70403100)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"mp" in en:template:Infobox UK constituency main
Domain
According to this template: position (Q4164871)
According to statements in the property:
position (Q4164871), fictional office, position, or title (Q21451536) or noble title (Q355567)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuesperson (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleUnited Nations Secretary-General (Q81066)António Guterres (Q311440)
President of the United States (Q11696)Joe Biden (Q6279)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P1308 (Q26250100)
Tracking: local yes, WD nono label (Q101364236)
See alsochairperson (P488), board member (P3320), member of cabinet (P5054)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total21,550
Main statement20,91897.1% of uses
Qualifier6312.9% of uses
Reference1<0.1% of uses
Search for values
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Value type “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office (Q198641)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1308#Value type Q5, Q95074, SPARQL
Inverse property of “position held (P39):
if [item A] has this property (officeholder (P1308)) linked to [item B],
then [item B] should also have property “position held (P39)” linked to [item A]. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1308#inverse, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1308#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1308#Entity types, hourly updated report
 
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Deletion proposal edit

Scope edit

When should this one be used? In general, I think we should be using position held (P39).
--- Jura 05:31, 28 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

I think it should be acceptable to use it for offices that are only held by one person (or a few persons) at a time. I understand the concern when used with huge parliaments and the like, where you can get tens of thousands of claims over time—that clearly becomes unhelpful. But this isn't really different from many other inverse properties (like has part(s) (P527)): some common sense is required on the part of the editor. And in some applications (like Wikipedia), where generic queries are unavailable or too costly, this information can't be easily discovered if it is not listed on the item itself.--Anders Feder (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
I think this should be used when there's an article about position and you want to list a historical overview of all people holding this position at various points of time. For example, this might be a good candidate: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q127710. List articles would be a great use case for this. Vanuan (talk) 02:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

Removal of the "applies to jurisdiction" (P1001) constraint edit

This constraint makes no sense for the vast majority of use-cases, where the item linked is a specific office — for example, Q191827 Q208233 Q465869 Q162754. Does anyone have a link to any discussion when this constraint was added? James F. (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

You can add "no value" if the suggestion isn't applicable. --- Jura 10:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Use instead of head of government (P6)? edit

Currently, this property shouldn't be used if P6 is present. Maybe we should invert this, see Property_talk:P6#Use_of_office_held_by_head_of_government(P1313)_and_officeholder(P1308). --- Jura 10:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

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