Property talk:P1427

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start point
starting place of this journey, flight, voyage, trek, migration etc.
Descriptionthe starting place of this journey, flight, voyage, trek, etc. (excl. spaceflight launch)
Representsbeginning (Q529711)
Data typeItem
Template parameter|origin= in en:template:infobox aircraft occurrence
According to this template: event
According to statements in the property:
occurrence (Q1190554), trail (Q628179), spacecraft (Q40218), thoroughfare (Q83620) or submarine communications cable (Q506572)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuesplaces - airport, sea port, town, etc. (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example2004 Tour de France, Stage 2 (Q282721)Charleroi (Q81046)
School of Civil Aviation Flight 111 (Q15644223)Bucharest (Q19660)
1971 RAF Hercules crash (Q3997249)Pisa International Airport (Q709169)
Tracking: sameno label (Q42533354)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P1427 (Q20990037)
See alsovia (P2825), destination point (P1444)
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Main statement21,78497.5% of uses
Qualifier5442.4% of uses
Reference6<0.1% of uses
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  Value type “geographical object (Q618123), location (Q17334923): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value geographical object (Q618123), location (Q17334923) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1427#Value type Q618123, Q17334923, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
if [item A] has this property (start point (P1427)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1427#Contemporary, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)


I do not know how to mention it, but this property seems to be the opposite of destination point (P1444).

Kvardek du (talk) 09:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

all linear objektsEdit

this property could be used for all linear (one dimentional) objekts, i.e. routes, streets, directions, etc--Avatar6 (talk) 09:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Use on 'trek' violating constraintEdit

Revision 631398949 added a constraint check enforcing the property to only be used on occurrences. This seems to go counter to the description describing it as the "starting place of this journey, flight, voyage, trek [...]", so items not necessarily associated with a temporal entity. This causes e.g. a hiking trail to be marked as possibly problematic. Is this intended behavior?

I update it with trail (Q628179) as a vàlid subclasse, because it's not only valid for the journey (occurrence (Q1190554), but also the via where the journey is done by. Amadalvarez (talk) 05:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
I fear we are still producing many false positives. All instances of "space probe" have a starting point and many have a destination point as well, Q61742389 as example. In general all spaceflights, all individual airplane flights and so on have a starting point. --mfb (talk) 13:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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