Property talk:P1672
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Abuluntu in topic P1672 with collectable wild foods
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this taxon is source of
links a taxon to natural products it produces. Note that it does not say "this taxon is the source of" or "this taxon is a source of" as this may vary. Some products may be yielded by more than one taxon.
links a taxon to natural products it produces. Note that it does not say "this taxon is the source of" or "this taxon is a source of" as this may vary. Some products may be yielded by more than one taxon.
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Inverse property of “natural product of taxon (P1582)”:
if [item A] has this property (this taxon is source of (P1672)) linked to [item B],
then [item B] should also have property “natural product of taxon (P1582)” linked to [item A]. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). if [item A] has this property (this taxon is source of (P1672)) linked to [item B],
then [item B] should also have property “natural product of taxon (P1582)” linked to [item A]. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1672#inverse, SPARQL
Type “taxon (Q16521), common name (Q502895), organisms known by a particular common name (Q55983715)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “taxon (Q16521), common name (Q502895), organisms known by a particular common name (Q55983715)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1672#Type Q16521, Q502895, Q55983715, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1672#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1672#Entity types
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The 'Cattle' item cannot accept the property 'this taxon is a source of' edit
(Note: This is also posted in the inverse of this property)
I'm trying to connect foods to the type of organism that produce them, so one can tell if a food comes from a plant, animal, fungus, or bacteria. Cattle are an extremely common source of food (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q830 ), and I'm noticing some irregularities that got established on some Wikidata items over time, for various reasons.
Because the 'Cattle' item is not an instance of a 'taxon', a property that is reasonably assumed to apply to 'cattle' will not validate under today's constraints. In particular, if you state that cattle produce 'cows milk', the system will throw a warning that a constraint is violated. The property P1672 and its inverse P1582 here have the constraint that the item be an instance of 'taxon' or 'common name' (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1582), but 'Cattle' is an instance of 'group of organisms known by one particular common name' (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55983715).
From reading through the long discussion on Cattle, one proposal was that cattle be tied into a taxonomy of organisms by citing it as an instance of an umbrella ancestor species. So 'cattle' will be described as an instance of Bos primigenius (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q168903). This seems reasonable to me, and would solve my issue.
Another solution I'm suggesting for this property is to change the properties P1672 and inverse P1582, so they validate when using 'group of organisms known by one particular common name' (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55983715). They currently validates with 'common name' as well as 'taxon', so it doesn't seem like a big stretch to extend it to 'group of organisms known by one particular common name'. Is there anything or anyone stopping us from making this change?
P1672 with collectable wild foods edit
I’m planning to use this property on a number of wild species with items such as wild edible plant (Q91867273), wild herb (Q1318906), edible plant (Q9323487), edible seaweed (Q796185), edible nuts (Q3320037), edible seeds (Q2995529), edible mushroom (Q654236), edible insect (Q38117921) and similar. Are there any objections? -- Abuluntu (👨🏼💻💬) 22:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Oppose This seems like very different semantics then for which the property was proposed. A wild species doesn't produce general edible nuts but particular one's that are linked to the species. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Comment Got your point. -- Abuluntu (👨🏼💻💬) 14:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
