Property talk:P1706

Latest comment: 8 years ago by P64 in topic shared with (share)

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together with
qualifier to specify the item that this property is shared with
Data typeItem
Domainany item that's an instance of something, like people, organizations, works... (not abstract concepts) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed valuesany item that's an instance of something (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleFor Hendrik Lorentz (Q41688), who received the Nobel Prize in Physics (Q38104) in 1902, this award would be qualified together with => Pieter Zeeman (Q79000)

Helene Dubreuil (Q3144755) award received (P166) Academy Awards (Q19020) together with=> Anne Seibel (Q964305)

Friedrich Bergius (Q76614) award received (P166) Nobel Prize in Chemistry (Q44585) together with=> Carl Bosch (Q76606)
(note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property Wikidata property example (P1855), Wikidata property example for properties (P2271), Wikidata property example for lexemes (P5192), Wikidata property example for forms (P5193) or Wikidata property example for senses (P5977))
See alsoaward received (P166), partner in business or sport (P1327), partnership with (P2652), running mate (P6149), relative to (P2210)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total61,837
Main statement930.2% of uses
Qualifier61,72999.8% of uses
Reference15<0.1% of uses
Search for values
[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]
Scope is as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1706#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Symmetric property: if [item A] has this property linked to [item B], then [item B] should also have this property linked to [item A]. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1706#Symmetric, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1706#Entity types

more general edit

perhaps we need a more general property instead of Wikidata:Property proposal/Person#together with more general to use also for positions (rulers, kings, executives..) which are only granted together with somebody else, kind of inverse property (P1696) of applies to part (P518); example Q61277Frederick III (Q77233) position held (P39) Prince-Elector (Q22722) of (P642) Electorate of Saxony (Q156199) together with =>John, Elector of Saxony (Q61277).--Oursana (talk) 15:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Oursana: I agree, as per your and my post in Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic. If there are no objections to making this more general within one week, I'll change it. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 16:01, 19 February 2015 (UTC)Reply
  Done @Oursana: Jon Harald Søby (talk) 00:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Property changed edit

I changed the property from "award shared with" to just "together with"/"shared with". As part of doing that, I moved the translations that were already there from labels to aliases, so that they labels can reflect the new phrasing. So, to the people who have translated, it would be great if you could take a second look at this property to translate its new title. @Чаховіч Уладзіслаў, Accurimbono, DSGalaktos, Benjozork, Александр Сигачёв, Sjoerddebruin: and @Милан Јелисавчић, Oursana:. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 00:51, 28 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

shared with (share) edit

From the discussion above I understand that this property originated in the "award received" context and I suppose that "shared property" remains intended in the sense of a joint award, or awarded jointly, not merely concurrently.

For many properties it is routinely true that multiple items may be coincident in time or concurrent. In the database they "share" one value of a "point in time" or "start time" or "end time" qualifier. I suppose that a "shared with" qualifier should not routinely be used.

Minutes ago I deleted four uses of this property to express concurrence without jointness for the Astrid Lindgren Memorial Award Q430035. Now I see that this action amounts to reverting some qualifications entered by the main contributor to this page @Jon Harald Søby:, such as this one (second of two by same editor). I did not check the item histories and notice your name in advance, JHS, or I would have submitted the first half of this note without making those changes. --P64 (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

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