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Te Papa agent ID
identifier assigned to a person or organisation by the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa
RepresentsMuseum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa Collections Online (Q99194519), Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa (Q915603)
Associated itemMuseum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa (Q915603), Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa (Q915603)
Applicable "stated in" valueMuseum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa Collections Online (Q99194519)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295), organization (Q43229) or finished good (Q3245975)
Allowed values\d+
ExampleJan Nigro (Q21996620)24911
Sourcehttps://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/
Formatter URLhttps://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/agent/$1
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P3544 (Q45315806)
Related to country  New Zealand (Q664) (See 39 others)
See alsoAuckland Art Gallery artist ID (P3372), National Gallery of Victoria artist ID (P2041), National Library of New Zealand ID (P7682)
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Current uses
Total6,261
Main statement5,86193.6% of uses
Qualifier1<0.1% of uses
Reference3996.4% of uses
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Format “\d+: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3544#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3544#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3544#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
  Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Known exceptions: Mercury (Q1150)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3544#type Q5, Q16334295, Q43229, Q3245975, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3544#scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3544#allowed entity types, SPARQL (new)
  Works with creator missing link
List of works that are in collection (P195) Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa (Q915603) and have creator (P170) set, but that creator doesn't have a Te Papa agent ID (P3544) link (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?url ?creator { ?item wdt:P195 wd:Q915603 . ?item wdt:P170 ?creator . MINUS { ?creator wdt:P3544 [] } . MINUS { ?item wdt:P170 wd:Q4233718 } . # Filter out anonymous OPTIONAL {?item wdt:P973 ?url } . }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P3544#Works with creator missing link
  Probably death
People with Te Papa agent ID (P3544) born before the year 1900, but no date of death (P570) (Help)
Violations query: SELECT DISTINCT ?item WHERE { ?item wdt:P3544 [] . ?item p:P569 ?birthclaim . MINUS { ?item p:P570 [] } ?birthclaim ps:P569 ?birth . FILTER(?birth < "+1900-00-15T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime) . } ORDER BY ?birth LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P3544#Probably death


Possible confusion over name of Property Te Papa agent ID (P3544)Edit

I thought I should let folk know of a possible issue with the title of the property Te Papa agent ID (P3544). The Te Papa Museum identifier relates not just to artists whose works are held at the museum but also to scientists, collectors and other people who have contributed to the Museum of New Zealand such as curators and donors. See for example the identifier used in this item Jagoba Malumbres-Olarte (Q21390767) relating to a scientist. As a result I believe the property should be renamed as "Te Papa ID" to avoid confusion. --Ambrosia10 (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

  •   Comment Perhaps “Te Papa person ID”? Otherwise   Support renaming. - PKM (talk) 21:31, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

I moved this conversation from the Wikidata:Project chat to hereMultichill (talk) 13:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ambrosia10, PKM: I proposed this property and spend some time on getting it linked. In my experience it's always easier to expand scope than to reduce it. It started of as artists, but turns out it's a bit broader. In my opinion "Te Papa ID" is too broad. I like the "Te Papa person ID" suggestions. That isn't 100% coverage (also a couple of non-persons in there), but it's much better than the current "Te Papa artist ID". Multichill (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
@Multichill, PKM: I see and agree with your point that "Te Papa ID" is too broad. As my main concern is the confusion that may result with the "artist" part of the item description, I'm very happy with the proposed "Te Papa person ID" title. Thank you both for weighing in on this.--Ambrosia10 (talk) 17:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  Done Moved all the old labels to aliases and added a new label in English and Dutch. This should trigger people in other languages to add a new label. Multichill (talk) 17:55, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Use on organisationsEdit

I see that Google (Q95) and Australian Government (Q2991162) have got them. Is calling it a "person ID" a misnomer? Note the "Party type: Organisation" claim on the Te Papa items. Ghouston (talk) 04:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I changed the English and Dutch labels accordingly. Ghouston (talk) 08:25, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Works in collection constraintEdit

@Hannolans:, I'm not sure that requiring has works in the collection (P6379) is a good idea. At least two of the entities with a Te Papa person ID, Jools Topp (Q55648193) and Lynda Topp (Q55648196), are not artists with works in Te Papa, but Te Papa has some related works. I suppose there are others like that. Ghouston (talk) 21:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, no in that case it is not a good idea. I thought it were all artists in the collection. --Hannolans (talk) 22:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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