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PIM authority ID
ID for an authority record (mostly persons) in the PIM (Petőfi Literary Museum, Hungary)

Represents	PIM identifier (Q29043331)
Associated item	Petőfi Literary Museum (Q1234343)
Applicable "stated in" value	PIM authority (Q54878968)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	|PIM=
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	PIM\d+
Example	Sándor Petőfi (Q81219) → PIM67655 Márton Brajkovićs (Q848930) → PIM48837 Endre Ady (Q211392) → PIM39819
Formatter URL	https://resolver.pim.hu/auth/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Bots will sync data in multiple phases with existing [and possibly to be created] WP entries
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P3973 (Q56244851)
Related to country	Hungary (Q28) (See 57 others)
See also	PIM award ID (P8742), PIM publication ID (P11240)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P3973 Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P3973 Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 54,603 Main statement 42,015 out of 524,689 (8% complete) 76.9% of uses Qualifier 3 <0.1% of uses Reference 12,585 23% of uses
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Type “human (Q5)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Jenő Ásványi (Q121880383)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973#Type Q5, SPARQL

Format “PIM\d{5,7}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973#Single value, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973#Scope, SPARQL

Label required in languages: hu: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: hu (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3973#Label in 'hu' language, search, SPARQL

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Missing P106
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Violations query: SELECT ?item { ?item wdt:P3973 []. ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5. FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P106 [] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P39 [] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P97 [] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P4638 [] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P166 [] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P18 [] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P1442 [] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P140[] } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item p:P569 [] } }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P3973#Missing P106

Wrong constraint

@ChristianKl, Máté: Not only human (Q5) can have this ID, award (Q618779) can too (e.g. see Kossuth Prize (Q637399)). We should fix this to avoid false errors. Bencemac (talk) 11:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

No, the constraint is right. The PIM namespace is for persons. We can broaden its scope, but than it should not be called an error fix. If you click on the link on Kossuth Prize (Q637399), it brings you to not even the same domain as for persons. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 13:31, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I know that, I call it fix because currently we get a warning. As the description says, “ID for an authority record (mostly persons)” – and this time our item is not a person. Bencemac (talk) 13:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I’s because it was not clear when grin proposed this property that the namespace doesn’t contain anything other than persons, and the description hasn’t been corrected after PIM confirmed that all items are persons. Other databases of PIM have never been in the scope of this property (yet). The constraint’s purpose is exactly to draw attention that the property is used incorrectly; yes, that use is currently incorrect. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. It took some time and a few mail exchanges but PIM assured me that the namespace [in question] should not contain anything but persons. They have other namespaces maintained but they are not really for the general public and they are independent of this property (and project, generally). --grin ✎ 22:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@grin: Other namespaces (at least the awards one) can be useful for references: stated in (P248): PIM Awards; PIM authority ID (P3973): <id of the award>. So the question is whether we want to repurpose this property to be used for any namespace of PIM. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:54, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: I would not like to mix the Persons namespace with other content if I can. I would rather create an ancillary identifier for anything else. Turokaci should be asked about it but if I remember correctly they have separate databases internally as well. Nevertheless, Personal namespace have a very distinct purpose with quite a specific schema and usage, and I rather not mix it up with various different schemas and usage; also the very strict constraint helps to assure its proper content and make its usage simple, since we do know what it identifies. But that's my personal preference, not the universal Truth™. :-) --grin ✎ 08:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@grin: It’s OK for me to create a new property. I thought they are so similar that broadening this property should not cause any harm. But if it does, then let’s create a new property for other uses. However, I would like to hear other opinions before the next steps. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 20:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@grin, Bencemac, ChristianKl, Máté: Okay, so the other opinion came from Palotabarát by creating a property proposal. Feel free to express your opinion there. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 00:41, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

references: stated in (P248): PIM Awards; PIM authority ID (P397373 2862U10446 513887126 K01456477): <id of the award> LaRainaKeewahnooquy (talk) 06:29, 9 October 2022 (UTC)