Property talk:P417

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patron saint
patron saint adopted by the subject

Description	patron saint of a town/city
Represents	patron saint (Q28914)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"Patrono" in it:Template:Divisione amministrativa; see also Template:Infobox settlement (Q5683132)
Domain	According to this template: geographic location (Q2221906): towns and cities, but also churches; also likely some events, organizations... According to statements in the property: geographic location (Q2221906), occupation (Q12737077), building (Q41176), religious movement (Q1826286), administrative territorial entity (Q56061), organization (Q43229), religious site (Q105889895), activity (Q1914636), congregation (Q2135977), religious order (Q2061186) or Catholic organization (Q23955632) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	persons: all saints, one or sometimes several (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example	Paris (Q90) → Genevieve (Q235863) Naples (Q2634) → Januarius (Q315312)
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P417 (Q23908997)
See also	dedicated to (P825)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P417 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 25,731 Main statement 25,679 99.8% of uses Qualifier 50 0.2% of uses Reference 2 <0.1% of uses
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Value type “human (Q5), religious and cultural festive day (Q375011), fictional character (Q95074), sibling duo (Q14073567), title of Virgin Mary (Q1509831), human biblical figure (Q20643955), human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568), title of Jesus (Q2634521), duo (Q10648343), relic associated with Jesus (Q1087471), group of humans (Q16334295), angels in Christianity (Q10822464)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value human (Q5), religious and cultural festive day (Q375011), fictional character (Q95074), sibling duo (Q14073567), title of Virgin Mary (Q1509831), human biblical figure (Q20643955), human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568), title of Jesus (Q2634521), duo (Q10648343), relic associated with Jesus (Q1087471), group of humans (Q16334295), angels in Christianity (Q10822464) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P417#Value type Q5, Q375011, Q95074, Q14073567, Q1509831, Q20643955, Q21070568, Q2634521, Q10648343, Q1087471, Q16334295, Q10822464, SPARQL

Property “feast day (P841)” declared by target items of “patron saint (P417)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “feast day (P841)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P417#Target required claim P841, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)

Type “geographic location (Q2221906), occupation (Q12737077), building (Q41176), religious movement (Q1826286), administrative territorial entity (Q56061), organization (Q43229), religious site (Q105889895), activity (Q1914636), congregation (Q2135977), religious order (Q2061186), Catholic organization (Q23955632)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “geographic location (Q2221906), occupation (Q12737077), building (Q41176), religious movement (Q1826286), administrative territorial entity (Q56061), organization (Q43229), religious site (Q105889895), activity (Q1914636), congregation (Q2135977), religious order (Q2061186), Catholic organization (Q23955632)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P417#Type Q2221906, Q12737077, Q41176, Q1826286, Q56061, Q43229, Q105889895, Q1914636, Q2135977, Q2061186, Q23955632, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P417#Scope, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P417#Entity types

This property is being used by: el:Πρότυπο:Πόλη (Ελλάδα), el:Πρότυπο:Mesitemp, el:Πρότυπο:Πόλη (Ιταλία) hu:Sablon:Egyházmegye infobox, hu:Sablon:Vallási épület infobox, hu:Sablon:Templom infobox, hu:Sablon:Szerzetesrend infobox, hu:Sablon:Olasz település infobox hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Բնակավայր11, hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Ռազմական ստորաբաժանում es:Plantilla:Ficha de entidad subnacional, es:Plantilla:Ficha de entidad subnacional/zona de pruebas, es:Plantilla:Ficha de localidad de China, es:Plantilla:Ficha de antigua entidad territorial/zona de pruebas, es:Plantilla:Ficha de antigua entidad territorial, es:Plantilla:Ficha de unidad militar, es:Plantilla:Ficha de edificio religioso ro:Format:Infocaseta Lăcaș de cult ca:Plantilla:Infotaula unitat militar, ca:Plantilla:Orde, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula del municipi català, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula del municipi navarrès, ca:Plantilla:Taula d'estat, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula del municipi aragonès, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula del municipi basc, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula del municipi espanyol, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula del municipi valencià, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula de municipi lmo:Mudel:Livell aministrativ, lmo:Modell:Livell aministrativ sk:Šablóna:Infobox Diecéza uk:Шаблон:Культова споруда fr:Modèle:Infobox Archidiocèse catholique/wd, fr:Modèle:Infobox Juridiction christianisme/wd eu:Txantiloi:Lan infotaula automatikoa, eu:Txantiloi:Unitate militar infotaula, eu:Txantiloi:Lan infotaula tt:Калып:ДәүләтВМ, tt:Калып:ТП-Русия, tt:Калып:ТП-Россия hyw:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Բնակավայր kab:Talɣa:Infobox intellectual work ha:Template:Infobox intellectual work vec:Modèl:Infobox de Descrision, vec:Modeło:Infobox de Descrision incubator:Template:Wp/shi/Infobox intellectual work it:Template:Contrada di Siena, it:Template:Ospedale, it:Template:Quartiere ti:ሞደል:ሓበሬታ ንኡስ ሃገራዊ ኣካል gl:Modelo:Entidade desaparecida ig:Àtụ:Infobox intellectual work shi:Talɣa:Infobox intellectual work gn:Tembiecharã:Ficha de antigua entidad territorial commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core mr:साचा:विकिडेटा माहितीचौकट/core lv:Veidne:Wikidata Infobox/core cs:Šablona:Infobox - kostel eo:Ŝablono:Informkesto urbo de Italio Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Occupations

We also have a list in France for occupations. I'd be grateful if someone could import it.

• https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_saints_patrons (on wikipedia, in a list format, with French articles already linked, so easy to parse)

• Canonical one on the website of the French catholic church: http://nominis.cef.fr/contenus/saint/patron.html

Broadening the property's scope

@ChristianKl, Tinker Bell, Nomen ad hoc, Jura1:

Nojhan Yair rand Runner1928 TomT0m Capankajsmilyo ArthurPSmith John Carter Tris T7 Epìdosis Peter17 Bargioni Geogast Clifford Anderson Bello Na'im Mathieu Kappler Sawyer-mcdonell Maxime StarTrekker Amqui Loft-ind

Notified participants of WikiProject Religions

Would you agree to broadening this property's scope, so it can apply to other religions as well? "Protector saint or deity" could be used as a hypernym (suggested by Tinker Bell). Aside from Wikidata property related to Christianity (Q64264420), the property would also be an instance of Wikidata property related to religions and beliefs (Q22983697).

This suggestion came up when I recently proposed a new property to represent the guiding deities of Candomblé (Q752660).

VStocco (WMB) (talk) 22:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

• @ChristianKl, Tinker Bell, Nomen ad hoc, Jura1:
  Nojhan Yair rand Runner1928 TomT0m Capankajsmilyo ArthurPSmith John Carter Tris T7 Epìdosis Peter17 Bargioni Geogast Clifford Anderson Bello Na'im Mathieu Kappler Sawyer-mcdonell Maxime StarTrekker Amqui Loft-ind
  Notified participants of WikiProject Religions Any input on this? Should we broad the scope of this property? Ederporto (talk) 20:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 01:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
    •  Support too. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 07:11, 6 February 2021 (UTC).

dedicated to (P825)

Is this property strictly more specific than dedicated to (P825)? In other words:

• should the property dedicated to (P825) never be used when it is possible to use patron saint (P417) instead?
• should patron saint (P417) be marked as subproperty of (P1647)dedicated to (P825)?

Horcrux (talk) 15:01, 21 February 2023 (UTC)