Property talk:P495
Latest comment: 2 months ago by PKM in topic Add "textile process" as value
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country of origin
country of origin of this item (creative work, food, phrase, product, etc.)
country of origin of this item (creative work, food, phrase, product, etc.)
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Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200), Wikibase MediaInfo (Q59712033): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P495#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P495#Scope, SPARQL
Value type “country (Q6256), state (Q7275), cultural region (Q3502482), regional organization (Q4120211), continent (Q5107), fictional country (Q1145276), historical country (Q3024240), dependent territory (Q161243), disputed territory (Q15239622), federally recognized Native American tribe in the United States (Q7840353), physical location (Q17334923)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value country (Q6256), state (Q7275), cultural region (Q3502482), regional organization (Q4120211), continent (Q5107), fictional country (Q1145276), historical country (Q3024240), dependent territory (Q161243), disputed territory (Q15239622), federally recognized Native American tribe in the United States (Q7840353), physical location (Q17334923) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P495#Value type Q6256, Q7275, Q3502482, Q4120211, Q5107, Q1145276, Q3024240, Q161243, Q15239622, Q7840353, Q17334923, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), human (Q5), taxon (Q16521)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P495#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (country of origin (P495)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). if [item A] has this property (country of origin (P495)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P495#Contemporary, SPARQL
Type “product (Q2424752), group of humans (Q16334295), food (Q2095), phrase (Q187931), cuisine (Q1778821), subculture (Q264965), breed (Q38829), ethnic minority group (Q2531956), mythical creature (Q2239243), religious movement (Q1826286), dialect (Q33384), music tradition (Q60733114), genre (Q483394), ethnolinguistic group (Q4533081), cultural movement (Q2198855), teaching method (Q1813494), teaching methodology (Q350453), game (Q11410), sport (Q349), goods (Q28877), type of food or dish (Q19861951), legendary figure (Q13002315), writing system (Q8192), language (Q4113741), intangible cultural heritage (Q59544), tradition (Q82821), hairstyle (Q327496), tangible good (Q1485500), YouTube channel (Q17558136), ship type (Q2235308), song form (Q1824109), physical object (Q223557), fictional entity (Q14897293), neologism (Q130989), dance move (Q384748), term (Q1969448), custom (Q251777), mythical object (Q20203727), group of works (Q17489659), type of sport (Q31629), legislation (Q49371), treaty (Q131569), agreement (Q321839), proclamation (Q1572600), work (Q386724), dog type (Q38672), character sequence (Q117009251), slang term (Q42298422), ideology (Q7257), character (Q3241972)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “product (Q2424752), group of humans (Q16334295), food (Q2095), phrase (Q187931), cuisine (Q1778821), subculture (Q264965), breed (Q38829), ethnic minority group (Q2531956), mythical creature (Q2239243), religious movement (Q1826286), dialect (Q33384), music tradition (Q60733114), genre (Q483394), ethnolinguistic group (Q4533081), cultural movement (Q2198855), teaching method (Q1813494), teaching methodology (Q350453), game (Q11410), sport (Q349), goods (Q28877), type of food or dish (Q19861951), legendary figure (Q13002315), writing system (Q8192), language (Q4113741), intangible cultural heritage (Q59544), tradition (Q82821), hairstyle (Q327496), tangible good (Q1485500), YouTube channel (Q17558136), ship type (Q2235308), song form (Q1824109), physical object (Q223557), fictional entity (Q14897293), neologism (Q130989), dance move (Q384748), term (Q1969448), custom (Q251777), mythical object (Q20203727), group of works (Q17489659), type of sport (Q31629), legislation (Q49371), treaty (Q131569), agreement (Q321839), proclamation (Q1572600), work (Q386724), dog type (Q38672), character sequence (Q117009251), slang term (Q42298422), ideology (Q7257), character (Q3241972)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P495#Type Q2424752, Q16334295, Q2095, Q187931, Q1778821, Q264965, Q38829, Q2531956, Q2239243, Q1826286, Q33384, Q60733114, Q483394, Q4533081, Q2198855, Q1813494, Q350453, Q11410, Q349, Q28877, Q19861951, Q13002315, Q8192, Q4113741, Q59544, Q82821, Q327496, Q1485500, Q17558136, Q2235308, Q1824109, Q223557, Q14897293, Q130989, Q384748, Q1969448, Q251777, Q20203727, Q17489659, Q31629, Q49371, Q131569, Q321839, Q1572600, Q386724, Q38672, Q117009251, Q42298422, Q7257, Q3241972, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): album (Q482994), single (Q134556), extended play (Q169930)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P495#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
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Value cinema of the Soviet Union (Q1940844) will be automatically replaced to value Soviet Union (Q15180). Testing: TODO list |
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Terms edit
Seems this fits with certain terms, for example Tomahawk (missile) origin is USA. Danrok (talk) 12:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- It was thought for creative work, but maybe after changing descriptions, this could also be used for other things. Any thoughts from other Users? --CENNOXX (talk) 14:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Maybe it's better to change the label into "originated from" --دوستدار ایران بزرگ (talk) 05:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- I like this idea. Right now, things like names have origins of countries which no longer exist or places which can only be loosely matched to some countries of the past. See for example Rowan (Q18844246) which originates from Arabian Peninsula (Q31945). In general for Wikidata, I would like there to be 'country' properties only when it is very necessary. Countries are temporary things, organisations, people tend to define them as more permanent things, places. --BurritoBazooka (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm also in favour or broadening its scope. Pikolas (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- The constraint still focus on work (Q386724) but the property is now used on other subjects also. Michiel1972 (talk) 09:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe it's better to change the label into "originated from" --دوستدار ایران بزرگ (talk) 05:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Unclear usage for publications edit
How is this supposed to be used for publications? For example, take some research article published at a conference. We now have many possible choices:
- The address of the publisher
- Any address? The headquarters address? All addresses?
- At the time of publication? Or most current?
- The place where the authors come from
- What does this mean?
- All places for all authors?
- The place where the text has been written
- How to find out?
- The place where the conference happened (only applies to publications that have been presented somewhere)
- Probably not intended, but the only clearly defined place among the options
All of this information seems to be rather meaningless and therefore also useless. Most of it is not defined or at best poorly defined, and therefore not supported by any references. The few things that are factual (e.g., headquarters address to the publisher, work location of each author) are stored in other Wikidata pages already. If there is no meaningful interpretation for this property in the context of publications, then its use on such items should be deprecated. --Markus Krötzsch (talk) 09:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- According to Norwegian Centre for Research Data (Q7061260) : The American Economic Review (Q1740221)'s country is United States
- According to ERIH PLUS (Q22921221): Historische Zeitschrift (Q315571)'s country of publication is Germany.
- According to Latindex (Q6496562): Acta Biologica Venezuelica (Q3229252)'s country is Venezuela.
- According to Dialnet (Q3025975): Arquitectura (Q17519325)'s country is Spain.
- According to REDIB: Revista Mexicana de Sociología (Q27718013)'s country is Mexico
There are many databases using country of the publication and these claims are sourceable, at the very least, working with journals. Strakhov (talk) 21:35, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- +1 it is dick useless. What is it trying to show or demonstrate? Lord Byron wrote books on the continent and they were published in Britian. What was the country of origin? Even if we pick one, what is the value of the statement? We have a place of publication, and that sets up the edition. Why is the conceptual idea needing a country? — billinghurst sDrewth 04:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same thing, but I suppose it could be the country of first publication. It can have an influence on copyright status. Ghouston (talk) 10:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- But there's another property for that, place of publication (P291). I was wondering whether it's correct to say that the country of origin of New Rose Hotel (Q7011334) is Canada (the author is Canadian-American, and lives in Vancouver, but he could have written the short story in Fiji, for all I know). Ghouston (talk) 11:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, the value "Canada" came from enwiki, where en:Template:Infobox short story says that the country is the "home country of author", which I interpret as country of residence, perhaps at the time of first publication. With multiple authors you could have multiple countries? Ghouston (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Finer localisation edit
Hello,
I am using or considering using this property for archeological items, but I would often require a sort of "Made in" property that could also link to a region, a city, a place or maybe even a particular workshop. Do we have something appropriate for the purpose?
thank you very much! Rama (talk) 08:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- Hello @Rama: I am not sure, but perhaps location of creation (P1071) would suit your needs. Regards --NicoScribe (talk) 16:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Rename to "origin place"? edit
I think this property shouldn't be restricted to countries, but to any place. There's many items that could use the renamed property, like viruses or software attacks:
instead of
--Giovanni Alfredo Garciliano Díaz ★ diskutujo 23:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Furthermore, some topics can only be localized to a region larger than a country, e.g. civil law (Q5950118) -> continental Europe (Q466039) 73.202.12.249 05:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Le origines Loubnaellll (talk) 23:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Occupied Territory as Country of Origin edit
Hi,
Hopefully this is the right place to discuss this.
A Value Type Constraint appears when Country of Origin is selected to be a Occupied Territory. Example: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q96146434
As these periods can have significant impact on cultural production, Country of Origin should also include occupied territory (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2577883) and/or former administrative territorial entity (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19953632), especially if the occupation involves an entire nation/country.
A key example would be Late Spring (Q743203) the movie, that was made during the Allied occupation of Japan and had to work within the censorship rules of the Allied Countries. The movie also has thematic elements dealing with the occupation in the background. As such, this movie is a product of and influenced by the occupation.
Thank You for this property! Please let me know if you feel any conflicts may arise by adding the above.
--Wallacegromit1 (talk) 19:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with using "historical state" but not with occupation of Japan (Q696251). This seems to me occupation (action) or historical period (time range) but not a territorial entity. It's like Anschluss (Q154681). --Infovarius (talk) 18:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Renaming edit
@Wallacegromit1, Tinker Bell , Infovarius :, et al.
After accepting that the location does not necessarily have to be a country, I reiterate that we should change the name.
I suggest two first names. Please, add more suggestions and/or vote. Thanks. Amadalvarez (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC):
place of origin. Based on present "country of origin", but more flexible.
Support Amadalvarez (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)- Support --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 02:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support This may help future-proof the property by being fluid about certain regions gaining more autonomy/independence or converging into unions. Wallacegromit1 (talk) 05:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Comment any idea what the scope should be? What usecases this should cover? Vague or "more flexible" properties tend to become difficult to interpret and require more specific ones for actual usecases. The currently country of origin concept is linked to place of (original) publication for many works and naming it differently would break that link. --- Jura 10:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, @Jura1:, to me, the scope is the same as "Value type" of the property definition. Changing "country" to "place" in the name is not traumatic, it is consistent with its definition. I'll appreciate having your support. Amadalvarez (talk) 05:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well, it wouldn't work any more for works where it's currently used. --- Jura 11:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support I would like to be able to use this or a similar property to more flexibly indicate the place of origin of various diaspora communities or so-called hyphenated ethnic groups like Taiwanese Canadians (Q7676603), Tibetan Canadians (Q7800410), or African Americans (Q49085). Note that these are often not countries of origin but regions or disputed territories. Nate Wessel (talk) 18:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Isn't the country of origin for all these "Canada" or the US? --- Jura 18:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- You should use Thyssen-Bornemisza artist ID (P2431) for ethnos. --Infovarius (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC) @Infovarius: You mean indigenous to (P2341), isn't? Amadalvarez (talk) 05:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment This property is currently used by a lot of infoboxs in many different Wikimedia projects, and many of those infoboxs specifically say "country" when displaying the value of this property. They should be notified before changing the name and scope of the property so they can act accordingly. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 19:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree to ping them. In any case, we're no change the present content, just the name and future uses. It is, now already are some other concepts different from "country/estate". Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 05:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
original location. Valid for the original location where the item "was born" / "comes from", as now. But also where the item "was originally located". It applies specially to works of art to indicate the place where it was originally placed. For example: Parthenon Frieze (Q3087894) is originally from Athens (not UK) & Luxor Obelisk (Q1503331) from Egypt (or Luxor), not France or Paris.
- Support Amadalvarez (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Neutral Can be its own property, or qualifier for location (P276)? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 05:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)- Comment I think we have location of discovery (P189), place of birth (P19) and location of creation (P1071) for this. The samples given above don't require renaming the property to add the information to Wikidata. --- Jura 10:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose quite well-defined property for works. Every work has a country of origin. --Infovarius (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jura1, Infovarius: I understand that this purpose sounds to be too much specific, but we're used to calling some artwork by the place where them were made for; Ex.: Parthenon Frieze, Ghent Altarpiece. Not necessarily the production place (Portinari Altarpiece, was "made" in Bruges to be in Florence's hospital of Santa Maria Nuova, and now is in Uffizi Gallery), nor the discovery place (Rosetta Stone was discovered, Parthenon was plundered). "Country" is a wide concept -as we define in country (Q6256)-, specially when physical location (Q17334923) is accepted for this property. In any case, I just only explain my reasons, however, accepting "place of origin" is enough to me. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 05:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not renaming, but changing scope of the property. Not a good idea with well defined and widely used property (including plenty of iboxes). Feel free to propose new property.--Jklamo (talk) 11:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Samples for usecase? edit
- Can we have samples of usecases the renaming is meant to address? Ideally with a reference for the statement. --- Jura 11:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jura1:
- Fast answer is "any accepted by allowed constraints value-type constraint (Q21510865)". As the present name is "country of origin", 99% of values are country (Q6256) or state (Q7275). However, some other allowed values can be found now. Samples:
| item | itemLabel | value | valueLabel |
|---|---|---|---|
| falafel (Q188788): Middle Eastern fried bean dish | falafel | Middle East (Q7204): geopolitical region encompassing Egypt and most of Western Asia, including Iran | Middle East |
| congee (Q878624): type of rice, millet or grain porridge or gruel popular in many Asian countries | congee | Asia (Q48): continent | Asia |
| cornrows (Q1134267): Style of hair braiding | cornrows | Africa (Q15): continent | Africa |
| Luxor Obelisk (Q1503331): ancient Egyptian obelisk in Paris | Luxor Obelisk | Luxor (Q130514): city in Egypt | Luxor |
| Baghrir (Q2879043): Pancake consumed in the Maghreb region | Baghrir | Maghreb (Q28227): part of North Africa | Maghreb |
| Parthenon Frieze (Q3087894): sculpture from the Parthenon, in the Athenian Acropolis | Parthenon Frieze | Acropolis of Athens (Q131013): ancient citadel above the city of Athens | Acropolis of Athens |
| Nero siciliano (Q3874807): breed of pig | Nero siciliano | Sicily (Q1460): Italian region | Sicily |
| Lítla Dímun sheep (Q6711305): extinct breed of sheep | Lítla Dímun sheep | Faroe Islands (Q4628): North Atlantic archipelago organized as an autonomous constituent country of the Kingdom of Denmark | Faroe Islands |
| Nurettin (Q15837135): male given name | Nurettin | Arab world (Q143487): geographic and cultural region; collective term for the Arabic-speaking countries of Asia and Africa, or of Asia only | Arab world |
| Mechitharine (Q17009825): Alcoholic beverage | Mechitharine | Vienna (Q1741): capital of and state in Austria | Vienna |
| Poma de Girona (Q21086085): apples from Girona | Poma de Girona | Alt Empordà (Q6904): Catalan comarca (county) in the vegueria (region) of Girona | Alt Empordà |
| Poma de Girona (Q21086085): apples from Girona | Poma de Girona | Gironès (Q12752): Catalan comarca (county) in the vegueria (region) of Girona | Gironès |
| Poma de Girona (Q21086085): apples from Girona | Poma de Girona | Pla de l'Estany (Q12762): Catalan comarca (county) in the vegueria (region) of Girona | Pla de l’Estany |
| Poma de Girona (Q21086085): apples from Girona | Poma de Girona | Baix Empordà (Q12768): Catalan comarca (county) in the vegueria (region) of Girona | Baix Empordà |
| Poma de Girona (Q21086085): apples from Girona | Poma de Girona | Selva (Q12778): comarca (county) in Catalonia, Spain | Selva |
| Retaule de Vallmoll (Q47092786): no description | Retaule de Vallmoll | Santa Maria de Vallmoll (Q571993): church building in Vallmoll, Spain | Santa Maria de Vallmoll |
| Gaboussi (Q62604102): traditional guitar | Gaboussi | Mayotte (Q17063): French archipelago located in the Indian Ocean | Mayotte |
| cantiq (Q97265894): Crimean Tatar food | cantiq | Tatarstan (Q5481): federal subject (a republic) of the Russian Federation, located in the Volga Federal District | Republic of Tatarstan |
| Chimique (Q100347910): synthetic drug | Chimique | Mayotte (Q17063): French archipelago located in the Indian Ocean | Mayotte |
| Ovidi4 (Q105572694): music band | Ovidi4 | Catalan Countries (Q234963): territories where Catalan is the native language | Catalan Countries |
- As now, there are excluded wrong values already detected in Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P495#Types_statistics, mainly related with the use of the concept instead of the place (ex.:national cuisine (Q1968435) or modern language (Q1288568)).
- Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 06:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wouldn't most have indigenous to (P2341) statements with the same value? --- Jura 08:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jura1: Do you really understand the scope of the change ?. I'm not proposing to accept under this property things different that already are. I'm just proposing "adjust the name" to one reality that already are. The previous list are samples that "have this property" and its value is not exactly a "country", but a different dimension of location or point, from a continent to a church. It's just a change of one word (country → place) to adjust the definition to a different scale from these that property was created.
- Answering to your new question: May be. However, most of them doesn't fit in its constraints to use indigenous to (P2341).
- Thanks to ping when you answer. Amadalvarez (talk) 05:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jura1: meager list of P2341 usage:
- Try it!
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?p495 ?p495Label ?p2341 ?p2341Label WHERE { SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } VALUES ?item { wd:Q188788 wd:Q878624 wd:Q1503331 wd:Q2879043 wd:Q3087894 wd:Q3874807 wd:Q6711305 wd:Q21086085 wd:Q47092786 wd:Q62604102 wd:Q97265894 wd:Q100347910 wd:Q105572694 } ?item wdt:P495 ?p495. OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P2341 ?p2341. } }
- Salut ! Amadalvarez (talk) 05:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think you followed the explanation about "country of origin" for works. That currently some values are incorrect, doesn't mean one should change the label. Not sure why P2341 removed food from the type constraint (despite there being a sample with sushi). Seems something that can be fine-tuned there. --- Jura 06:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Dear, @Jura1:. Please ping me when you answer me. Helps to reduce delays in responses. Thanks.
- I'm not sure I understand your answer. I have no interest in whether or not the food should be covered by P4321. My request is not about the products that may or may not have the P495. It is related to the geographical scope to be included as a value, and this does affect the name of the P495.
- P495 may contain, and contains, values that are not a "country" without being a mistake; they may be a region, a city, or a continent, as I have shown. That is why I am asking to change the name.
- "Indigenous to" is not the same as "country of origin"; if they were, we could merge both properties. But they are not. The Luxor Obelisk (Q1503331) is not "indigenous" to Luxor, but its "origin" is Luxor, which is not a country, but a city. Therefore, we do not mix the P4321 in this debate, simply to try to avoid the name change requested.
- You can also appreciate that I am not the only one who supports the request. I beg you to join in with your support as well. Thanks. Amadalvarez (talk) 16:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe other users have usecases not yet covered by existing properties. In any case, "country of origin" works for films, but "place of origin" wont work any more. --- Jura 13:54, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
منشأ الكسكس edit
منشأ الكسكس هو الجزائر في فترة المملكة النوميدية و وجدت أقدم الاواني فضريح الملك الأمازيغي ماسينسا Mira smail (talk) 14:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Add "textile process" as value edit
Does anyone object to adding textile process (Q7708485) as an allowed subject-type? See example at röllakan (Q10659017). - PKM (talk) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)