Property talk:P741

Latest comment: 8 years ago by Pasleim in topic Extended domain

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playing hand
hand used to play a racket sport, cricket, fencing, or curling
Descriptionthe hand(s) a tennis player uses for his strokes
Representslaterality (Q10927834)
Data typeItem
Template parameter|plays= in en:template:Infobox tennis biography
Domain
According to this template: tennis and badminton players
According to statements in the property:
human (Q5)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values
According to this template: left-handed, right-handed, double-handed backhand, double-handed forehand
According to statements in the property:
right-handedness (Q3039938), left-handedness (Q789447), one-handed forehand (Q14419931), two-handed forehand (Q14420005), one-handed backhand (Q14420039) or two-handed backhand (Q14420068)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
ExampleRafael Nadal (Q10132)left-handedness (Q789447)
Victoria Azarenka (Q10118)right-handedness (Q3039938)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P741 (Q23909143)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total8,589
Main statement8,586>99.9% of uses
Qualifier2<0.1% of uses
Reference1<0.1% of uses
Search for values
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Type “human (Q5): item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P741#Type Q5, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Item “sex or gender (P21): Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P741#Item P21, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P741#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P741#Entity types

OBSOLETED edit

Decision taken at Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2013/Properties/4#Property:P741. Similar to shooting handedness (P423) discussed here, decision is :

Rather use handedness (P552) with qualifier sport (P641).

LaddΩ chat ;) 16:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

There is problem with values forehand (Q1333285) and backhand (Q1364175) and constraints. --Infovarius (talk) 12:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

IMO This should not be deleted since also shooting handedness (P423) was kept. --Stryn (talk) 09:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

One year later edit

@Kompakt, Infovarius, Stryn, Jura1, Edoderoo: @GZWDer, FelixReimann, Izno, Filceolaire, Jklamo:

This property is marked as obsolete since one year and not much happend - only around 50 claims have been removed [1]. The main problem is that merging into handedness (P552) isn't straightforward as handedness (P552) only allows the value left-handedness (Q789447) and right-handedness (Q3039938), however, P741 can also have values one-handed forehand (Q14419931), two-handed backhand (Q14420068) etc. To solve this conflict I can think about three options:

  1. merging P741 into handedness (P552) and extending the range of allowed values of handedness (P552)
  2. merging P741 into shooting handedness (P423)
  3. keeping P741

What do you think? --Pasleim (talk) 19:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

In the meantime, it is clear that qualifier wont be available for queries anytime soon, thus it's preferable to keep the property (3). --- Jura 19:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
I think there should be few conflict between values in P741 and P552. So it is possible to query without many false positives (which can probably be fixed manually by client).--GZWDer (talk) 09:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
Queries with qualifiers wont be developed in the short or medium term. See the development plan at «Querying for sources or qualifiers not to be done». --- Jura 05:22, 1 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
Accordingly, I'd favor removing the "Obsoleted" from the description. --- Jura 05:24, 1 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
I support option (1) and I believe this is what was proposed when we agreed to delete P741. Filceolaire (talk) 01:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
I support option 3 per Jura1 above and my comment in the "OBSOLETED" section. --Stryn (talk) 16:22, 24 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ok, I updated the property with (3). --- Jura 07:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Extended domain edit

I extended the domain of this property to badminton player (Q13141064). Maybe we could also add other racquet sports. --Pasleim (talk) 12:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

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