Property talk:P825

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Horcrux in topic Relationship with patron saint (P417)

Documentation

dedicated to
person or organization to whom the subject was dedicated
Descriptionperson or organization to whom the creative work was dedicated
Representsdedicatee (Q28008298), memorial society (Q64503868), dedication (Q1898184)
Data typeItem
Domain
According to this template: Creative work of any kind
According to statements in the property:
object (Q488383), event (Q1656682), group of musical works (Q115473170), release group (Q108346082), musical work/composition (Q105543609), edited volume (Q1711593), version, edition or translation (Q3331189), written work (Q47461344) or arrangement (Q379755)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
ExampleTo a Creole Lady (Q3576923)Émélina de Carcenac Autard de Bragard (Q20757530)
Die Walküre (Q324319)Ludwig II of Bavaria (Q44039)
Paróquia Nossa Senhora dos Alagados e São João Paulo II (Q10300565)John Paul II (Q989)
Virgin Mary (Q345)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P825 (Q20990013)
Tracking: local yes, WD nono label (Q101363728)
See alsocommemorates (P547), named after (P138), patron saint (P417), acknowledged (P7137), addressee (P1817)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total63,697
Main statement62,65198.4% of uses
Qualifier1,0391.6% of uses
Reference7<0.1% of uses
Search for values
[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Martin Luther tree (Q59274681), Bismarck tower (Q44844)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P825#Type Q488383, Q1656682, Q115473170, Q108346082, Q105543609, Q1711593, Q3331189, Q47461344, Q379755, SPARQL
Citation needed: the property must have at least one reference (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P825#citation needed
 
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Religious buildings edit

copied from User talk:Marsupium

I've just removed your example from this - as I understand it, dedicated to (P825) is for the dedication on works - "I dedicate this novel to XYZ". Buildings in honour of someone, or religious dedications to saints/deities etc, usually use commemorates (P547) (& named after (P138) if they're named for them). Andrew Gray (talk) 11:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi Andrew, actually this was a kinda trial balloon testing if anybody opposes. :-) The label in English at least seems to fit, cf. w:Dedication. And church building (Q16970) is a work (Q386724), so is St. Peter's Basilica (Q12512) (otherwise it would raise a constraint violation, but it doesn't), I've looked it up this morning (UTC), but haven't the chain at hand now, you can find it.
I don't think commemorates (P547) or named after (P138) are quite fitting here. Commemoration isn't really the point neither is the naming. I was insecure about using dedicated to (P825), too. What let me add it were the types statistics indicating that out of the c. 7,658 uses many more than 6000 use the property in that way like on St. Peter's Basilica (Q12512). I haven't queried the statistics for commemorates (P547) and named after (P138) though, commemorates (P547) at least won't show this result certainly. I propose to move this small discussion to Property talk:P825 to make it visible for further discussion. Regards, --Marsupium (talk) 16:35, 27 September 2017 (UTC) 16:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Does anyone else have thoughts on this? I agree that neither commemorates (P547) (& named after (P138) seem quite right for "St. Peter's Basilica (Q12512) is dedicated to St. Peter" or "Hanuman Temple, Connaught Place (Q12459599) is dedicated to Hanuman", but it seems strange to have that property cover both religious dedications and literary ones.

The constraints on this property are also a bit unexpected. It seems that because churches etc are a subclass of structure of worship (Q1370598), which is a subclass of religious object (Q21029893), which is a subclass of artificial physical object (Q8205328), which is a subclass of work (Q386724), the constraint for "must be a work" allows buildings. However, that parent item seems to be very much intended for creative works, so maybe something's getting a bit confused in the taxonomy tree. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Constraint notification of reference which is at the interwiki for the edition edit

Are we able to modify the constraint notification about "provide a reference" where there is an interwiki that contains that dedication? Exaple A sketch of the physical structure of Australia, so far as it is at present known (Q19025678) has a dedication in the work, at the interwiki for the edition itself. Providing a reference to itself when it is overt in the work seems superfluous.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:06, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Usage question edit

Hi!

For churches dedicated to Our Lady of the Assumption (Q10337564), can I set the claim to that value, or should I use Virgin Mary (Q345)?

Thanks in advance. Best regards Peter17 (talk) 12:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'd go with
⟨ Basicila de notre-Dame-de-l'Assomption ⟩ dedicated to (P825)   ⟨ Virgin Mary (Q345)      ⟩
object named as (P1932)   ⟨ "Notre-Dame-de-l'Assomption" ⟩
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Then, record Our Lady of the Assumption (Q10337564) in named after (P138) Karl Oblique (talk) 17:40, 12 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Relationship with patron saint (P417) edit

Please take a look to this thread. Horcrux (talk) 15:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

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