Property talk:P915

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filming location
actual place where this scene/film was shot. For the setting, use "narrative location" (P840)

Description	where this film, television or radio program was filmed/recorded. See WikiProject Filming Locations for further information. Can also be used as a quantifier for the narrative location (P840).
Represents	filming location (Q1045481), filmed here (Q70334101)
Data type	Item
Domain	According to this template: films, movies, motion pictures, radio, podcasts, live audio According to statements in the property: film (Q11424), television series season (Q3464665), film series (Q24856), television series (Q5398426), television program (Q15416), episode (Q1983062), fictional location (Q3895768), video recording (Q34508), radio program (Q1555508), podcast (Q20899), video game (Q7889), video artwork (Q20742776), YouTube channel (Q17558136), video album (Q10590726), livestreamed video (Q112627928), video recording (Q30070675) or audiovisual work (Q2431196) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	items that represent geographic locations or film studios (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example	For a Few Dollars More (Q153677) → Spain (Q29)
Tracking: same	no label (Q42533259)
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P915 (Q26997817)
See also	narrative location (P840), depicts (P180), recorded at studio or venue (P483), country of origin (P495)
Lists	Top missing properties by number of sitelinks/P915 Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P915 Database reports/Constraint violations/P915 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 50,529 Main statement 49,050 97.1% of uses Qualifier 1,475 2.9% of uses Reference 4 <0.1% of uses
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Conflicts with “instance of (P31): human (Q5), Wikimedia category (Q4167836), Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), organization (Q43229)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P915#Conflicts with P31, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia list article (Q13406463)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P915#Conflicts with P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Type “film (Q11424), television series season (Q3464665), film series (Q24856), television series (Q5398426), television program (Q15416), episode (Q1983062), fictional location (Q3895768), video recording (Q34508), radio program (Q1555508), podcast (Q20899), video game (Q7889), video artwork (Q20742776), YouTube channel (Q17558136), video album (Q10590726), livestreamed video (Q112627928), video recording (Q30070675), audiovisual work (Q2431196)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “film (Q11424), television series season (Q3464665), film series (Q24856), television series (Q5398426), television program (Q15416), episode (Q1983062), fictional location (Q3895768), video recording (Q34508), radio program (Q1555508), podcast (Q20899), video game (Q7889), video artwork (Q20742776), YouTube channel (Q17558136), video album (Q10590726), livestreamed video (Q112627928), video recording (Q30070675), audiovisual work (Q2431196)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: 4077th (Q66287363)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P915#Type Q11424, Q3464665, Q24856, Q5398426, Q15416, Q1983062, Q3895768, Q34508, Q1555508, Q20899, Q7889, Q20742776, Q17558136, Q10590726, Q112627928, Q30070675, Q2431196, SPARQL

Value type “geographical feature (Q618123), physical location (Q17334923), human-geographic territorial entity (Q15642541), event (Q1656682), ship (Q11446), film set (Q1415274), infrastructure (Q121359), neighborhood (Q123705), geographic region (Q82794), mythical location (Q3238337), higher education institution (Q38723), lyceum (Q16463)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value geographical feature (Q618123), physical location (Q17334923), human-geographic territorial entity (Q15642541), event (Q1656682), ship (Q11446), film set (Q1415274), infrastructure (Q121359), neighborhood (Q123705), geographic region (Q82794), mythical location (Q3238337), higher education institution (Q38723), lyceum (Q16463) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Upside Down & Inside Out (Q22909567)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P915#Value type Q618123, Q17334923, Q15642541, Q1656682, Q11446, Q1415274, Q121359, Q123705, Q82794, Q3238337, Q38723, Q16463, SPARQL

Item “instance of (P31)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P915#Item P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): nuclear power plant (Q134447)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P915#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL

Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (filming location (P915)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P915#Contemporary, SPARQL

Having P17
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Violations query: SELECT ?item ?value { ?item wdt:P915 ?value. FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?value wdt:P17 ?a }. FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?value wdt:P6262 ?b } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?value wdt:P31 wd:Q5107 } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?value wdt:P361 ?partOf } FILTER (?value NOT IN (wd:Q3509156, wd:Q6325334, wd:Q934, wd:Q84155695, wd:Q1898068, wd:Q2551906, wd:Q12297102, wd:Q498627, wd:Q15902672, wd:Q4146965, wd:Q48214, wd:Q15907962, wd:Q3418777, wd:Q6953015, wd:Q1170481)). FILTER (?item NOT IN (wd:Q3236075, wd:Q6697877, wd:Q5158514, wd:Q3790329)). }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P915#Having P17

This property is being used by: ru:Шаблон:Телепередача, ru:Шаблон:Телесериал ca:Plantilla:Infotaula pel·lícula ce:Кеп:Телесериал hu:Sablon:Televíziós műsor infobox, hu:Sablon:Film infobox ky:Калып:Телеберүү tt:Калып:Калып:Таксономия, tt:Калып:Телесериал, tt:Калып:Фильм ro:Format:Infocaseta Film eu:Txantiloi:Film infotaula automatikoa, eu:Txantiloi:Telesail infotaula automatikoa, eu:Txantiloi:Film infotaula automatikoa/en, eu:Txantiloi:Lan infotaula automatikoa, eu:Txantiloi:Lan infotaula tg:Шаблон:Телесериал, tg:Шаблон:Барномаи телевизионӣ av:Шаблон:Телесериал, av:Халип:Телесериал hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Ֆիլմ, hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Հեռուստասերիալ, hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Հեռուստասերիալի եթերաշրջան, hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Հեռուստասերիալի սերիա cv:Шаблон:Телеярăм ga:Teimpléad:WD Bosca Sonraí Scannáin kab:Talɣa:Infobox television, kab:Talɣa:Infobox intellectual work ha:Template:Infobox intellectual work uk:Шаблон:Картка:Телебачення, uk:Шаблон:Картка телебачення be:Шаблон:Тэлесерыял, be:Шаблон:Тэлеперадача ar:قالب:صندوق معلومات فيلم/تصنيفات ويكي بيانات es:Plantilla:Ficha de episodio de televisión arz:قالب:صندوق معلومات فيلم/تصنيفات ويكي بيانات be-x-old:Шаблён:Тэлесэрыял diq:Şablon:Filmi inh:Ло:Телесериал ig:Àtụ:Infobox intellectual work ary:موضيل:معلومات تلفازة eo:Ŝablono:Informkesto filmo be-tarask:Шаблён:Тэлесэрыял Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Rename to "shooting location"?

Renaming it "shooting location" it can also be used for series. --77.239.38.225 18:07, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Even series can be "filmed". --- Jura 05:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Rename it to "Recorded at"? This is already one of the synonyms. I plan to use this property for audio recordings (e.g. Q77229506). It seems semantically it's the same idea, right, whether it's video capture or audio capture? --Mcld (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Mcld: I think this is a good idea. I was just trying to do the same and were also looking at recorded at studio or venue (P483) which is much narrower. I came across this after a large import of folk music where only the village of recording is noted. Ainali (talk) 21:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's wrong with "filming location" to begin with, but I'm open to change. Just not super thrilled about using the word "recorded / recording". Did Hitchcock "record" his films? I think he shot them, or filmed them. Also, won't it easily be confused with the recording of sound? Those are my thoughts, but if everyone thinks differently, I'm happy to go with the group consensus. Moebeus (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you can help me with wikidata philosophy here. It's exactly this question of "confusion" with recording of sound that's on my mind - I WANT to use this property for recording of sound. Take for example "published in", Property:P1433. It's used for "larger work that a given work was published in, like a book, journal or music album" - the community there is not worried about "confusion" between books or music albums. It is using the same property for books and for music albums, because it's the same relational concept, even though different mediums. It seems to me this "filming location" property (NB it's already been given synonyms such as "recorded at" by others) expresses the same concept as we would use for the location where music or natural sound was recorded. (That's why over on Property_talk:P483 I've suggested a merge into this P915.) --Mcld (talk) 10:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I can't speak for everyone, but the "published in" thing is not really because we think books and LPs are essentially the same, but rather a pragmatic approach to a reality where getting approval for new properties can sometimes be a bit of an uphill battle. So in that particular case, a property meant for books have been appropriated by us music editors. It's not ideal, but it works, sort of. filming location and recorded at have clearly defined, separate scopes. This is a good thing in my opinion, merging them would be taking a step backwards. Moebeus (talk) 10:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Could it be appropriate to make a new parent property called something like "recording location" which is a parent of both P915 and P1433? P276 "location" is not specific enough since it's just about locations of objects in general. I have in mind nature recordings (collected by libraries, museums, universities etc) - these could be film, photo, sound recording, and this is the context within which I find the big gap between P915 and P1433 rather awkward. (Also: are you aware of any specific wikidata community that might like to discuss this more?) --Mcld (talk) 14:42, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mcld: When you say P1433 ("published in"), do you mean P483 ("recorded at")? Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding something here, that may very well be the case ;) Moebeus (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Moebeus: Oh I'm sorry, you're right. I meant to suggest a property which is a parent of P483 "recorded at" and of P915 "filmed at". --Mcld (talk) 00:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Moebeus: what do you mean "confused with the recording of sound"? It would be used exactly for that since there is no such property right now. Ie. it wouldn't be confused, but explicitely and mindfully used for it. Ainali (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ainali: Not sure I follow you, isn't "recorded at" (P483), as linked above, intended for sound? That's what I've been using for music, while I've been using "filming location" (P915) for moving images. Moebeus (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Moebeus: Well, yes it is for sound, but the constraints are such that sound cannot be recorded anywhere, but only in studios or similar "audio places". What do we use use if something is recorded on an island, in a city or somewhere in X municipality? Ainali (talk) 16:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ainali: Ah, that makes sense. So what you're looking for is a catch-all property, geared towards geo location rather than man-built studios, that would cover the recording of both sound and visuals? If that's the case, I'm all for it. Moebeus (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah good - it seems we'd all be OK with this approach. Thanks for helping me understand --Mcld (talk) 00:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Great! I'll try to update the template above and property constraints based on this. Ainali (talk) 07:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I've created a property proposal here: Wikidata:Property proposal/recording location --- my first time doing this, please feel free to edit it. --Mcld (talk) 21:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I missed the part of a parent property, I was just editing this property. Ainali (talk) 17:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Maybe "location of creation" (P:P1071) works for you? --- Jura 23:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jura: thanks - a concern I have with P1071 is it refers to "final assembly", which for a cinema film or music album would usually not be the location where the audio was recorded. What do you think? Could we perhaps edit P1071 to be clearer about how it should be used in these cases? --Mcld (talk) 12:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

...also, why is "location of creation" a subproperty of "significant place" rather than just "location"? Surely not all things are created in significant places? --Mcld (talk) 12:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Please note that as a consequence of the above conversation, a new property Property:P8546 was created. --Mcld (talk) 17:55, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

live albums and photos

Should we also use this property for the shooting location of live albums and photos? --Pasleim (talk) 20:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Place where a picture was taken? Some seem to use P1071 and depicts (P180). The later seems ideal and fit in with paintings, if it isn't depicted, P1071 can do. A few mix it with places where a print is held (in "location"). I'd rather not use P915 for photos. For audio recordings, I'm not really convinced. If needed, location of creation (P1071) could be used.
--- Jura 00:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Pasleim I use it to indicate the venue when editing concert films and live video footage. I wouldn't use it for stills? Moebeus (talk) 19:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Audiovisual work in property constraint

Hello @Jura1:. You have delete a modification to add audiovisual work (Q2431196) in property constraint of filming location (P915). Could you explain us why? It's listed in properties for this type (P1963) of audiovisual work (Q2431196). Thanks in advance. --SAPA bdc (talk) 13:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

• Are there are any subtypes that should be covered, but aren't? The statement you mention doesn't require it to be allowed for any subtype. --- Jura 14:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)