Property talk:P97

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Amadalvarez in topic replaces (P1365) / replaced by (P1366)

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Representsnoble title (Q355567), princely title (Q106074090)
Data typeItem
Domain
According to this template: persons
According to statements in the property:
human (Q5), legendary figure (Q13002315), fictional character (Q95074), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), position (Q4164871), hereditary position (Q42045197) or family (Q8436)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values
According to this template: rank or title (generally a single item)
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
ExampleDiana Cooper (Q128576)viscountess (Q21104416)
Lady (Q1378024)
Tokugawa Taeko (Q6997629)princess (Q863048)
Mohammed Abdelmonem (Q193874)sultan (Q43292)
François de Vendôme, Duc de Beaufort (Q1347324)Duke of Beaufort (Q1515469)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P97 (Q23909072)
See alsosocial classification (P3716), honorific prefix (P511), honorific suffix (P1035)
Lists
Proposal discussion[not applicable Proposal discussion]
Current uses
Total69,666
Main statement68,61698.5% of uses
Qualifier1,0451.5% of uses
Reference5<0.1% of uses
Search for values
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Value type “noble title (Q355567), fictional office, position, or title (Q21451536), title of honor (Q3320743): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value noble title (Q355567), fictional office, position, or title (Q21451536), title of honor (Q3320743) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Value type Q355567, Q21451536, Q3320743, SPARQL
Conflicts with “given name (P735): Duke (Q28056109), King (Q18508917): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Conflicts with P735, SPARQL
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (noble title (P97)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Jesus (Q302)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Contemporary, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Scope, SPARQL
 
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Deletion discussion edit

There's a discussion whether this property should be deprecated and deleted at requests for deletion. /Ch1902 (talk) 16:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Undelete edit

I have undeleted this property per discussion at Wikidata_talk:Notability#Exception_for_titles_of_rulers.2C_nobles.2C_peers_and_chivalric_orders. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 15:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)Reply


How to populate? edit

There seem to be quite a lot of lists, categories and navigation boxes at Wikipedia that could be used to populate this field, but none seem to be exactly straightforward.

How could we go about it? --- Jura 07:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Broadened to "hereditary title" edit

I have broadened the English definition to hereditary title as conceptually that is what we are talking, and royal and noble after that are of variable cultural difference. Even within the UK system baronetcies were not noble titles, just inheritable gentry titles (according to enWP), and there was no collective to assign them. I hope that meets the approval of the community.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

To note that for UK, it seems that baronetcies are part of the aristocracy, but not peers/nobles, ie. called to parliament for the House of Lords, which is the simplest difference that I can determine, and for me that makes a very country specific determination that seems less applicable for WD.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
There is a similar issue with the property "noble family" (Property:P53). --- Jura 14:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)Reply


Creation of title (1st, 2nd, etc) edit

For https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q202802&lang=en how shall we specify the creation of the title? series ordinal (P1545) can work for the numbering within a creation, but we might need a distinct one to specify the creation. foundational text (P457) or a new item based one could work. --- Jura 17:10, 23 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Use for hereditary non-noble statuses? edit

Is this property usable for hereditary non-noble statuses? I'm looking for what property to use for kohanim. It's not technically a noble title by most definitions, and doesn't match position held, member of, ethnic group, or anything other properties that I can think of other than instance of (P31). The label of this property has been switched back and forth between noble title and hereditary title, so I can't tell what the domain is supposed to be. --Yair rand (talk) 07:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

hereditary title seems to be ok but only if it include all titles noble and non-noble. Geagea (talk) 09:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

replaces (P1365) / replaced by (P1366) edit

I added replaces (P1365) / replaced by (P1366) as a allowed qualifiers, because are the correct for personal successions, instead follows (P155) / followed by (P156). However, I keep these because their large use. Amadalvarez (talk) 09:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

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