Talk:Q134185
Autodescription — durian (Q134185)
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Durian vs Durio edit
There are three topics here, the species Durio zibethinus, the genus Durio, and the fruit. This cannot be disentangled properly, mostly because of the messy page on en (which is unable to make up its mind). - Brya (talk) 05:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm moving anything that's related to the species to Q1135236, and genus to Q2309085. Liangent (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
- Dividing the iw's over these three topics is a good idea, but a) it cannot be done really satisfactorily and b) you just moved one iw, so it still is a misnomer to say this is about the fruit only. - Brya (talk) 06:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
@Brya: Why did you undo my edits here? The pages that I moved are primarily talking about the fruit, not the tree. Clearly at least, the English Wikipedia page is talking about the fruit, the article lead starts with "The durian (/ˈdjʊriən/)[4] is the fruit of several tree species belonging to the genus Durio.". Intgr (talk) 08:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- As to enwiki, yes, it is possible to argue that most of the material is about the fruit, and thus should be assigned to the fruit. But, it is also possible to argue that the page has a taxobox and contains material about the genus; if it is about the fruit it should not have a taxobox. Thus it should be assigned to the fruit. Also the sentence you cite is incompatible with the taxobox; if only a few tree species are involved there should be a separate page on the genus. The page is self-contradictory, and any way to deal with is flawed, in advance. Unfortunately, this is not rare for enwiki: often enough, anything that touches, however peripherally, on a topic is drawn into a long meandering page, that not only is lacking in organization but that also stifles those peripheral topics. Every enwiki page should not be looked at from any logical perspective, but dealt with on a case-by-case basis. In this case, the fruit is not that important a topic, while the genus is, and as there is a big taxobox claiming that this page is about the genus (supported by material in the page), the balance of argument clearly is on the side of assigning it to the genus. - Brya (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Brya: Well, the practical impact of this is that interwiki links are arbitrarily split between the two concepts and do not work properly — as most other languages also don't have separate articles on these subjects. So how about a pragmatic solution: since you prefer to keep the English article attached to "Durio" (I'm not convinced, but I don't care so strongly), maybe we should migrate other interwiki links to "Durio" as well? (except for those languages that have separate articles on durian/durio). Or are there any other solutions? I'm still very new to Wikidata, so I may be missing something. Intgr (talk) 13:29, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Well, some of them are fairly neatly separated, and I am an optimist, so I hope that in the long run many Wikipedia's will have clearly defined, separate pages. - Brya (talk) 17:40, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Note: there was also a discussion about this at Wikidata:Interwiki conflicts/Unresolved/2015#April 2015. @Joostik, AntanO, Liuxinyu970226: Notifying people involved in that discussion. (I also created an entry at Wikidata:Interwiki_conflicts/Unresolved/2016#durian (Q134185)/Durio (Q2309085) in February because I didn't realise it already existed.) Intgr (talk) 08:54, 20 April 2016 (UTC)