Talk:Q18220911

Latest comment: 2 years ago by E4024 in topic How is this supposed to be applied?

Autodescription — male given name borne by a female (Q18220911)

description: first name generally borne by males, but in this case borne by a female. This can be added to a male given name in P735 as value for qualifier P3831.
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How is this supposed to be applied? edit

Are we supposed to take into account all language usage or only the usage in the person's native language? Should it be based on the name usage at the time of the person's birth or current name usage? Does it matter that it probably won't be verifiable? How are borderline cases decided, like women named Chris? Kaldari (talk) 20:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Proposal to delete this item edit

[Originally posted this to Wikidata:Requests for deletions, but was told it should be posted here instead.] This item seems like a bad idea for two reasons:

  • The gender of names depends on the fads of the day. For example, Ashley used to be an exclusively male name and is now an exclusively female name. Sometimes these changes can take place in a matter of a few years, for example, in the 70s, Ryan was exclusively a male name. Then in the 80s there was a surge of women named Ryan.
  • The gender of names depends on the culture and language. For example, Camille is a male name in French and a female name in English.

I don't think we have enough manpower to keep up with problem #1 and I don't think we have enough expertise to keep track of problem #2. In most cases, the use of this item will simply be one person's opinion at one point in time, not objective long-lasting metadata. Kaldari (talk) 20:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

It might be more useful in cases of fictional characters where authorial intent can be considered. Of course, a 'statement supported by' should be added so that the intent can be cited. Arlo Barnes (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
    • If the solution is to delete, then maybe we should discuss deleting unisex given name, female given name and male given name and keep only given name. Now that could be a radical solution. --E4024 (talk) 00:32, 8 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Very valid in Turkey edit

There are clearly male names, although rarely, used by females in Turkey. This is sometimes due to the fact that parents were expecting a son, but came a daughter. What better idea than giving her a male name! And this happens in a language like Turkish where we have tonnes of "unisex" names. I do not know if this was her case, but Şerif Sezer (Q8082498) is a good example, imagine that the male name Şerif even has a female version, Şerife, but they called "her" Şerif...

We also need a male equivalent of this item. Again, in Turkey, my country, we have several men with clearly female names, like Başak, Şükran, and Nihal (although the last two appear as "unisex" names here). You can find one example (one notable person) for each of these three names here in WD. --E4024 (talk) 00:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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