Talk:Q27924673

Interwiki should connect different ideas, not to make the connection impossible.Xx236 (talk) 06:46, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

They do so. For wd-internal inter-element connection different from (P1889) is used.--Avatar6 (talk) 10:19, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• Template Template:Interwikis from P1889 (family names) (Q56475678) can be adapted to be included in templates at Template:Disambiguation (Q6148868). This way, links are made if no others exist. --- Jura 09:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Paladino

Can someone around here look at Palladino (Q21513347) and Palladino (Q2047921), please? Identical content, but has to be differtiated for some reason? --NoCultureIcons (talk) 13:42, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• @NoCultureIcons: It's (currently) correct. Most wikis just have disambiguation pages. These are all on the same item.
  At Wikidata, there are some people with that family name, they can be found with Special:WhatLinksHere/Q21513347. English Wikipedia has a stub on the family names, so it's on that item too.
  If you want to link German Wikipedia to the English one, you need to do this locally. It can be done for all disambiguation pages at once through LUA, but apparently users aren't interested in that. See Wikidata:Forum/Archiv/2018/09#Family_names_and_disambiguation_pages. --- Jura 13:53, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Most item labeled as family names are just rubbish, they list people with a name, they do not explain the origin and tradition of a name. --Bahnmoeller (talk) 11:48, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@NoCultureIcons, Bahnmoeller: please see Wikidata:Forum#Question_about_dewiki_template_editing for a way to implement the interwikis. It also mentions an ongoing discussion at dewiki. --- Jura 17:14, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Patel as Indian surname and disambiguation page

There are two Wikidata items - supposedly one for disambiguation, the other for surname, but actually both are lists of people with this surname, whose job title / caste origin has a separate English Wikipedia article. The latter is okay, but the two lists should be merged as they serve identical purpose as lists of namesakes in different sets of languages: I reached one Wikidata page from Russian and the other from English, starting both times from the article on Russian and English Wikipedia about the same person - the current British government member Priti Patel. This should be corrected, but when I tried Special: Merge Items, the feedback was "conflicting description for... [language codes]". I tried to delete some descriptions manually, but 1. there were too many of them and 2. I saw this warning to differentiate between last name pages and disambiguation pages, which in many cases is redundant as few family names have long pages on themselves outside the list of their bearers. I suggest merger of Q35571410 and Q2056687. One has Russian and other European languages, the other has English and Asian. GregZak (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

• Another example is Moscovici (Q23773198) and Moscovici (Q1720258), and I'm sure there are thousands more (I have stumbled upon them much more than once). Ain92 (talk) 11:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
• Same thing with Tuilagi (Q1271775) and Tuilagi (Q21491530), all disambig pages concern people from the same family. I suppose we should merge everything on the family name and remove the disambig one, but I am cautious because not a frequent contributor to Wikidata. Turb (talk) 15:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikidata:WikiProject Names: these and other questions are already discussed many times. Status quo is that we keep disambig item (with disambig pages) and surname item (and given name item if there is) separately. --Infovarius (talk) 02:46, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Infovarius: I understand that very well, however my question is slightly different: currently there is one wikipedia link (en:) in the family name item, three in the disambig item. The consequence is that en: Wikipedia is separated from the other languages. So my question is: should I move the en: link to the desambig item, or the others to the family item? Note that for all languages, "Tuilagi" only refers to this single family. Turb (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

There is problem with either of moves. What ideal now is using redirects for both items to link these interwikis... --Infovarius (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Infovarius: if I understand well Wikidata:Sitelinks to redirects#Disambiguation page and family name, the solution is to create a redirect in en: Wikipedia, with the only purpose of allowing to work around the interwiki unicity constraint in Wikidata? Turb (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Almost. The solution is to create redirects in all languages in order to allow linking between all of them. --Infovarius (talk) 19:49, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Are all wikipedias aware of this / agree on this? I know well fr: Wikipédia and am not aware of, and failed to find a help/rule page that prescribes it. In the same way, I am reluctant to blindly apply this to wikipedias that have local customs and rules I don't know. Turb (talk) 06:13, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, I am sure that some would dislike it. I am almost sure that there are no any policies on-WP about this. But this is a decent way to make logical interwiki linking, so I would recommend it. --Infovarius (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)