Talk:Q29999

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Head of GovernmentEdit

I wanted to add history of heads of governments, but that was not allowed as it expected 1 single value for this. So I removed Jan Peter Balkenende, but somehow Mark Rutte also vanished. Pls correct my mistake. Marco2152 (talk) 10:32, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Not a member of BeneluxEdit

Please excuse my confused comments in the revision history :-) It's not this item that should be a member of Benelux, but however The Netherlands which is a member. Thanks :) Fred Johansen (talk) 08:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for your maintainance! Regards, Conny (talk) 06:13, 15 May 2015 (UTC).

Is country tag really appropriateEdit

Is Kingdom of Netherlands really a 'country'? To my (naive) understanding the constituents Netherlands (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55), Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten are countries, but Kingdom of the Netherlands is sort of a conferation?

Please excuse my ignorance and shed some light!

In a similar vein, I've been trying to work out if the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code "NL" is properly assigned to Kingdom of the Netherlands (Q29999) or Netherlands (Q55). I started a discussion on w:en:Talk:ISO_3166-2:NL. Bovlb (talk) 23:01, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The country statement is needed according to various constraints. E.g., contains administrative territorial entity (P150), category for people who died here (P1465), maritime identification digits (P2979) are only supposed to be used on items with a country. It's possible that the constraints should be changed instead. However, United Kingdom (Q145) and Danish Realm (Q756617) have a country statement, and their situations seem similar (sovereign states comprising multiple countries). It depends somewhat on the definition of "country". According to en:Country, a country can refer to a sovereign state, or to a part of a sovereign state with independent exercise of legal jurisdiction (citation needed). So it seems fine to consider both the Kingdom of Netherlands and its constituent parts as countries. Although, if sovereign states are automatically considered to be countries, we should just make sovereign state (Q3624078) a subclass of country, instead of adding it everywhere. Note also that country of citizenship (P27) is being (correctly) used with Kingdom of the Netherlands (Q29999) as a value, so Kingdom of the Netherlands (Q29999) must be a country, according to Wikidata conventions. Ghouston (talk) 21:50, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Country / Nationality and Queen WilhelminaEdit

Two questions:

  1. The country is called the Kingdom of the Netherlands in English, but the inhabitants or nationality is called "Dutch". What property should be used so that people are not called "Kingdom of the Netherlands soccer player" but "Dutch soccer player"?
  2. I was adding the kings and queens with start and end time. Wilhelmina was queen only after she turned 18 in 1898, but her father died in 1090 and her mother was regent. I'm not sure how to put this in correctly.

--WiseWoman (talk) 20:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

A1: The "logic" of the English language: I'm not a linguist, but I suspect it's butchered 'Deutsch' (German) since Dutch (Nederlands) and German (Deutsch) are not only enough similar to confuse an average foreigner, both are from the same germanic family of languages.
A2: One needs to be an adult (18 years or more) to become head of state in the Netherlands and I suppose many other civilized countries so when Wilhelmina's father died her mother Emma became regent until she reached the constitutional age to become queen. Hope this helps. If not ask a historian. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  16:56, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, but that is not the point: How to model this in Wikidata, that is, that the adjective is quite different from the noun when referring to countries (this is a general problem), and then how to deal with regency. It's not a question of the "answers" but how to model this. Thanks anyway. --WiseWoman (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
In the meantime this has been added: demonym --WiseWoman (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

HistoryEdit

Keep in mind: borders did change in the past, for all of this entities.

RonnieV (talk) 21:27, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia linkEdit

Hello, Is this page on the Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia (nds-nl) already verified: [1]? Can someone add it to the list of interwikilinks for Koninkrijk der Nederlanden? Roerdinkholder (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Done. Ghouston (talk) 00:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Member of the EU?Edit

Hi, why is the Kingdom of Netherlands marked as a member of (p463) the EU? (Q458)? The Netherlands (Q55) is already properly marked as the member of the EU. This causes queries that look for members of the EU to return one country more than it should :) --WiseWoman (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe that the Kingdom is a member. The Netherlands as a constituent country doesn't enter into international agreements. See also en:Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#Relationship_with_the_European_Union Ghouston (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
For the same reason, diplomatic relation (P530) statements only belong on the item for the Kingdom. Ghouston (talk) 01:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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