Talk:Q638

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form of art (Q5489026)

@Infovarius: At least according to the Spanish article form of art (Q5489026) seems to refer to a convention of composing an art work (like the convention of a novel, a portrait or a sonata), but music (Q638) is not characterized by a certain way the elements are organized but by the medium used. Thatswhy form of art (Q5489026) does not seem fitting to me (musical form (Q862597) and literary form (Q4263830) would be (and are) subclasses of form of art (Q5489026), as their instances describe certain ways of organizing the elements in a certain medium). The German "Kunstgattung" refers not to the smaller genres within an art form (in the meaning of the form of medium), but to the "big forms" characterized by the medium used. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for some clarification, Valentina. Though I don't understand completely what is form of art (Q5489026) about... --Infovarius (talk) 13:30, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

form of art (Q5489026) is an abstraction used for analysis that refers to the entirety of formal features of an artwork, in contrast to the content (based on interpretation) or the medium. The form is for example characterized by the nature and number of sections (like verses, chapters, strophes or movements), their relationship (like variation, repetition, development and contrast). Conventional forms (or models) would be sonata form (Q212044) or binary form (Q1193859) in music, in contrast to religious music (Q1065742), which rather draws on content. (In contrast to what I wrote before form of art (Q5489026) does not only refer to conventional forms - I just got distracted by its instances which are, not surprisingly, conventional forms) -Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:35, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Description

@Infovarius: In your edit summary, you conflate two meanings of the word "medium"—you use it specifically within a physical context (definitions 1 and 2 here), whereas my usage is broader (same link, definition 3). (I'm not trying to start an edit war so I won't revert just yet.)

As to why I made the change in the first place, I think that using sound is insufficiently specific—other forms of art use sound, like the spoken word (which can be written down and read silently and still largely convey the same meaning) and performance art (which can be exclusively visual), but only music ceases to exist when sound is not physically present. Skiasaurus (/ˌskiːəˈsɔːrəs/) 22:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah this ambiguous English. May be to rephrase somehow? --Infovarius (talk) 07:06, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Renaming label to "creating music"

I am proposing renaming this label to "creating music" to specify that this is not music as in the sound produced is musical (music (Q115484611)), but rather the art form/process of creating music. This item has been conflated for its entire history in this regard and this renaming will help clear that up. There will be downstream effects though and many subclasses will have to switch to using music (Q115484611). However, this must be done as it is currently causing some ontology issues with musical artworks being categorized as "processes". Lectrician1 (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)