Talk:Q7245
Autodescription — Mark Twain (Q7245)
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Conflated identities edit
This item (Q7245) seems to conflate the pseudonym (Q61002) Mark Twain with the orthonym (no item extant) Samuel Langhorne Clemens. These need to be prised apart to make sense. Twain was not a human, but Clemens was. (IdRef entry) (Sudoc entry). Should there not be distinct items for Clemens and for Twain? LeadSongDog (talk) 18:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
- @LeadSongDog: yes, this item is both for Twain and Clemens and I'm not sure if we should have several items or not (and the question is having 1 or 3 items, 2 is not possible, if we split Twain and Clemens in two items, then we would need an other item for both as most of the times they are conflated, the IdRef entry - same for most catalog - or the Wikipedia article are for both).
- Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- @VIGNERON: Clemens had several other pseudonyms he used, which complicates matters more. Similarly, many authors may share a single pseudonym, such as "John Bull", "Punch", or the ever-popular "Anonymous". The author:pseudonym relation is many:many. The matter needs to be governed by a clear, well-thought-out consensus, and we're not even close to that state. LeadSongDog (talk) 20:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed but what is the problem with the current applied ontology? You can have separate items about some aspect of diverse entity if you want but in any case, you need a conflated item like Q7245 to match the others sites and database that do the conflation as well. The many:many don't seems to be a problem either, it can be deal like for the « Bonnie et Clyde » situation (it's a bit more complex but the same principle apply). And BTW, anonymous is usually not a pseudonym. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 20:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- @VIGNERON: Clemens had several other pseudonyms he used, which complicates matters more. Similarly, many authors may share a single pseudonym, such as "John Bull", "Punch", or the ever-popular "Anonymous". The author:pseudonym relation is many:many. The matter needs to be governed by a clear, well-thought-out consensus, and we're not even close to that state. LeadSongDog (talk) 20:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Religión: Ateismo edit
Mark Twain was not an atheist. The Wikipedia in English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain#Religion) makes this quite clear. After his death, his daughter Clara was reported to have said: "Sometimes he believed death ended everything, but most of the time he felt sure of a life beyond." In the essay "Three Statements of the Eighties" published in the 1880s, Twain stated that he believed in an almighty God, but not in any messages, revelations, holy scriptures such as the Bible, Providence, or retribution in the afterlife.
As this information is not referenced, I suggest it is deleted or replaced by Religión: Presbiteriano irreverente
Saludos de alfonsec – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alfonsec (talk • contribs) at 6 November 2021 (UTC).