Template talk:ExternalUse

How can this be detected

@Ivan A. Krestinin: I was wondering how external usage of a property is detected? Or is that something people should add to the list, after they start using the property on a Wikipedia? -Tobias1984 (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I has an algorithm for usage detection, but it is heuristic, project-specific and time-consuming. It is based on searching {{#property:..., {{wikidata|... and others in templates source code. I run it 2 or 3 times only. {{ExternalUse}} was created for manual adding. My bot only fixed missed records for ruwiki. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 03:35, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Ivan A. Krestinin: Thanks! I will try to communicate then, that people should keep the template up to date. -Tobias1984 (talk) 12:05, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Using caegories rather than finding all templates

I have been slowly introducing Wikidata in fr.wikipedia infoboxes and the most convenient solution I have found for finding what Wikipedia properties are used in through categories like fr:Category:Page utilisant des données de Wikidata/P18. It is sometimes a bit tricky, but still, when using modules, it scales more cleanly than keeping note of all the templates that may use a propert and it is also useful for finding out that sometimes, what is transcluded from Wikidata is not very reliable). I suppose I can add a link to the categories using this template ? -Zolo (talk) 13:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Usage tracking?

Hi, I count 311 transclusions of the ExternalUse-template on property-talkpages. Some are used in a lot of projects infoboxes (see Property_talk:P18). Total number of properties as of 2015-05-12 is 1532 properties (counting Special:ListProperties), so 311 is ~20% of wikidata properties. But the manual ExternalUse-template is really messy for stats... And now Wikidata:Arbitrary access is coming. A quote from 2 years ago, 11 May 2013: "Template:ExternalUse shouldn't be needed .. a Wikidata function should supply this." Indeed. See also:

• T49288 Track Wikidata entity usage on client pages
• T98237 Deploy usage tracking to fawiki, hewiki, and enwikivoyage (Closed, Resolved)
• T75220 populate entity usage table during database schema update
• quarry: Wikidata tables [1][2] --Atlasowa (talk) 12:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, do not forger about really external (non-Wikimedia project) users. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 19:37, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ivan A. Krestinin, you're right - i forgot about really external use. BTW, for usage tracking on Wikipedias see Wikidata_talk:Arbitrary_access#Where / how can i see "usage tracking"? --Atlasowa (talk) 07:38, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Templates/modules using any properties

When I am doing tests with Sources on Wikipedia, I have tried to make the module accept any property used in the source-part of a statement. That is difficult to describe that with this template. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 18:19, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Collapse?

Some of the lists are fairly long. Can we collapse them? --- Jura 13:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

• It can be "collapsed" using this way. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 18:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
• The one on Property talk:P625 seems endless .. --- Jura 23:14, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Better values; or a property?

Is this a good edit, replacing external links to templates with a Q item?

If so, we could go further, and have a property for describing a property "used by" (like this one) (or the inverse), qualified thus by the name of the wiki(s) concerned. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Maybe for this particular property it is OK, but not for all. Not every template at Qx may use that property. --Edgars2007 (talk) 18:33, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Hence the qualifiers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, did read only the first part :) Qualifiers sounds like a good idea, but the list would be pretty long for some properties, like coordinate location (P625) and image (P18). --Edgars2007 (talk) 20:38, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Indeed - but so would a text list. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

But you can format text list in many ways, that makes it somehow not so long. With qualifiers you can't do that. --Edgars2007 (talk) 08:04, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

We'll hit that issue with items anyway, and a solution will no doubt emerge. But it seems to me to be a poor reason not to use structured data in documenting this of all projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:46, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Also for elements?

What about if an external template/module is expecting a certain property from a Wikidata element? E.g. should I use {{ExternalUse}} into the GNU General Public License (Q7603) discussion page alerting that an it.wiki module is expecting instance of (P31) free software license (Q3943414) from GNU General Public License (Q7603)? --Valerio Bozzolan (talk) 17:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)