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"date of death" set to many living people

18 (talkcontribs)

As Suisui has pointed out already, your recent edits seem to have killed many famous people in Japan :)

Most of the edits have been fixed by Suisui, and I fixed some of the remaining ones.

I guess your harvest template setting treated "Achieved professional status" (pro_date) as the date of death.  For example, you harvested and set his date of death as "October 1, 2016".

Please double-check your harvest template settings before applying it broadly.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

Hello, no,

I used only "Death date" and "Death date and age" (on enwiki)... I'll try to find what the error was... I never worked from jawiki, only enwiki, frwiki, ruwiki (that I understand).

There were many errors on frwiki, where people used the template of death date to indicate birth date. I fixed all those I found, and will try to find where the error.

I checked This article uses... " en:Template:Event date and age " template, which is a redirect to "Death date and age" ; this is probably the cause of this problem...

These 2 templates sure use the same syntax and age computing, but should not be redirected from one to the other. If "Death date and age" added categorization to Death year, all the article using "event date and age" would have a death date category...

Maybe you should check all articles using "Event date and age" template...

Masegand (talkcontribs)
Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

Thanks @Masegand

the problem is in the ''code'' of the page... some contributors used {{date de décès}} (death date) to format Birth date :(( --

If you find more, can you please list the names, so I can correct them, please ? thanks for notification...

Since there is no way I can know if someone is dead, and I cannot check all uses of this template, do you know how I could detect the erroneous ones, to correct them, please ?

Masegand (talkcontribs)

[[:fr:Nikola Petrović-Njegoš]], here the use of the  {{date de décès}}  template refers to a different person Geneviève Prigent  which is mentioned shortly before. I guess the template does not have a field to indicate which person the template is meant to refer to.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)


no, there is not such field... and I'm not a wp contributor, so I'm not the one to go and discuss it... I only can try to at least make its use better... ^^

Thibaut120094 (talkcontribs)

Found the culprit.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to import data en masse from frwiki birth/death templates without carefully checking first, the risk of a wrong date or wrong use of the template is too big.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

well, I clean up the wrong use of templates, at least ;) a few wrong templates are not comparable to hundreds of right data...

and in fact, I carefully check plausibility too...

but the templates are not visible from just looking at pages, and there really are idiots that, for example, use "Date de décès" to indicate the wedding date...

Masegand (talkcontribs)

now same problem again harvested from japanese wp on Q269846 but again just referring to different person, how is that wrong use of the template.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

hello Masegand,

Obviously, jawp listed the family of Kathy Hilton (Q269846), with dates in "Death date and age" templates. Sorry for this.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

@Suisui You just edited this talk, causing a notification, but I do not see anything from you. Do you have something to ask or tell ? then, please do : I cannot just read your mind :)

Suisui (talkcontribs)
Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)


This application is widely used by many people, for a lot of tasks. I cannot be blocked for specific edits.

The first time, the use of template w:en:Template:Event date and age on enwiki articles was the cause, because it is a redirect to "death date and age", which is very problematic, because anybody importing P570 from "death date and age" will import these info again... - this template should be modified on enwiki, or another code used.

I cleaned all the items I found that still had a problematic death date caused by this template (see here the remaining people, who are dead (

Since then, I have imported no death date. The cause must be somewhere (or someone else)...

Could you please give me a list shogi players items with wrong death dates, so that I can look at what happened ?

PS : as for the Google profile, I cannot do anything... wikidata is not Google, and Google is not wikidata. For me, the Google profile for Takeshi Fujii is ok (he's not dead).

If it's the japanese Google profile that has a problem, please use the "comment" button under it to notify errors.

Suisui (talkcontribs)

It's not a problem of how template used. because English wikipedia shows correct information on the rendered page. so it is a tool's probelm insn't it? and don't you think if widely used application works wrong, shuldn't stop it ASAP?

I've already asked person himself as dead, and people around them about "why my data set as dead?" several time..

Well, I understand you were not wrong, I ask you because you may know what reCh is more than me. I dont know what it is and where to ask it.

list of shogi players is around These has already fiexed, Thankx.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

the tool is "Harvest template", and it's not a bot... it is a tool used by a lot of people for a lot of tasks. When it is wrong, it is because the user uses it wrongly, OR there is something wrong in templates on the target wiki...

here, on enwiki, the used template is a REDIRECT, , i. e. : it is exactly as if there was the template "death date and age" on those articles...

Any tool that queries "death date and age" (a perfectly correct and legitimate template), will also have answers from this redirect, with absolutely no means to identify or block them...

AFAIK, this template is used only on shogi players (or at least Japanese persons, see here). It should either not be redirected, or replaced with another template that makes the same computation, but is not a redirect.

Very conscious of the problem, I have not imported ANY death date from enwp since your first notification, thus having to add them manually... thousands of manual additions because of a few dozens articles with a wrong template :(

for technical help about Harvest template and this redirect to target template, please contact @Pasleim : maybe he can do something to help you solve this specific problem... which would be nice for all of us :)

Suisui (talkcontribs)

Thnank you for your analysis and information. I'll ask about this @Pasleim.And thank you again about you did carefully avoid this so that I didn't need send many feedbacks to google a month :)

Ish ishwar (talkcontribs)
Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the info. I'm not a wikipedia contributor, even less on enwiki, since I'm a french speaker. I would not dare telling enwiki what to do, but they should be aware of the false info they produce : wikipedia pages are not only read by human beings, they are also crawled by bots ; those semantic templates should be used with caution ^^.

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