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Ref for Q504952Edit

Hi,

By any chance, do you have a reference for the statement subclass of (P279) = singulare tantum (Q604984) you added (Special:Diff/833745015) on collective noun (Q504952) (and which sounds very strange to me, at least in French where collective noun can have plural).

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 06:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: I add url of site where it is referenced: https://www.czechency.org/slovnik/HROMADN%C3%89%20SUBSTANTIVUM Have you any examples of collective noun (Q504952) in French? ---xfi- (talk) 07:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Ok (at least temporary) I added it as references then. I dont speak Czech, so: does this source really indicate that (implied: for all languages) or just that collective noun in Czech are?
For examples in French you can look at fr:Nom collectif. You can also look at Lexemes like gwez (L62) for Breton this time, where collective are plural and have (always) a singular which itself has a plural ;)
Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@VIGNERON: It is collective noun sensu stricto. It is not noun expressing amount widely! ---xfi- (talk) 07:48, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
For French yes, it's maybe more "noun expressing amount" than a collective noun (but still grammars still call them "collective noun"). And look at the Breton, "gwez" is clearly a collective noun stricto sensu ("trees") and is as clearly not a singulare tantum.
Anyway, collective noun (Q504952) is the general concept of collective noun for all languages, not just for one, so the data should reflect that. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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