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language of work or name (P407) on television series episodes

Hi, why are you adding this? original language of film or TV show (P364) is generally used on tv series and this indicates the original language of the series and its episodes. --- Jura 03:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

• As you don't respond and this seems to run unattended, I asked an admin to stop it. --- Jura 05:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Where can I learn that? --- Amihan27 (talk) 09:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Mahir256: please unblock. Jura was confused. I did not add the original language of the episodes but the actual language of the broadcast. I do not know if the episodes were originally filmed in another language and thus I did not add that piece of information. --- Amihan27 (talk) 13:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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responded on talk page Mahir256 (talk) 14:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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---Amihan27 (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I do not think @Jura1: is confused at all here. Please cease the mass import of those values until you can talk it over with Jura1 successfully. Mahir256 (talk) 14:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

• Which category did you use? e.g. for Q11681025 you added English, but https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dear_Emily_and_Richard doesn't mention that. Maybe es:Categoría:Series de televisión en inglés? I think it does refer to the original language of the broadcast, so original language of film or TV show (P364) would be more appropriate. It is already present on Q193462#P364. BTW, did you discuss this somewhere before? --- Jura 06:06, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • es:Categoría:Series de televisión en inglés does not refer to the original language. Look for example at es:Caillou (French series) or es:Escuela_para_perros (Portugese series). Both series were also broadcasted in English, so they are in that category but English is not the original language. Why should I risk to add wrong data about the original language if I'm 100% sure about the broadcasted language? --- Amihan27 (talk) 23:47, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I think you make a valid point. I'm not convinced though if this is a best way to add the information to Wikidata. For Q857007#P364 we already know the original language, so adding P407 if the same value isn't really adding anything. What do you think? BTW, did you already discuss this somewhere before at Wikidata? --- Jura 05:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Why do you keep adding more? --- Jura 07:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
    • As you don't respond, I suppose I reset them to the usual approach. BTW, another question about es:Caillou, how do you know that the language would apply to every episode and not just some? --- Jura 06:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
      • I don't know the intention behind the edit on Q857007 but I can support it. We need to show the original language and the broadcasted language(s). Either this is done in the same item, then all episodes should have a original language of film or TV show (P364) and at least one language of work or name (P407) statement. Alternative, we could do it on separate items. I mean for each broadcastet version an own item and for the original work an own item. But then original language of film or TV show (P364) is a pleonasm: [original language] of [original work]. It should be called [language] of [original work]. --- Amihan27 (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
        • I haven't edited Q857007 so I'm not sure what edit you are commenting. I don't mind adding P367 to episodes, but I don't find it terribly useful. It could easily be filled from the series.
          To reiterate my previous questions: Where do you get the broadcast language for episodes and seasons? Even if parts of a series are available in additional languages, we can't be sure this applies to all.
          Have we discussed this somewhere before? --- Jura 09:08, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
          • Neither have I edited Q857007 but you were asking me what I think about this item. What is P367? I did not discuss the edites anywhere, first because nobody does it, second because there is not even a page to do it. --- Amihan27 (talk) 09:23, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
          • Btw, I did not edited Q857007 because I'm not sure enough about the broadcasted language. --- Amihan27 (talk) 09:25, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
            • It's P364, not P367. Sorry about that.
              The question about the discussion isn't so much about these edits in particular, but these properties in general. Have we?
              Similarly, for episodes and seasons how are you sure that the broadcast language applies? --- Jura 09:43, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
              • Have we? Sorry, I do not understand.
              • I combined multiple sources to be sure about the validity of my edits. But not all edits are based on the same source. For some episodes I know that they were broadcasted in English, for other episodes I used Wikipedia, ImdB, data on Wikidata. I'm convinced that my method is well thought out, but if you find any error, please tell me. --- Amihan27 (talk) 08:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
                • Sounds good. What might be missing is a comparison with p364 on the series and, if the same value is present there, the use of that property. If it isn't, the information on the series should be completed.
                  BTW I was asking as there seems to be a gap between your advanced use of tools and the age of your account and I wouldn't want to repeat a discussion one might already have had. --- Jura 06:09, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
                  • Could you hold it until the P364 question is sorted out? --- Jura 09:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
                    • I don't understand what else needs to be sorted out :( --- Amihan27 (talk) 10:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
                      • Do you compare your addition with p364? If so what is the action based on that? --- Jura 10:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
                      • Any update on this? It seems odd if'd only convert them in an additional step, but I suppose if your tool doesn't handle that, I suppose we would have to. --- Jura 11:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
                        • I do not understand why you undid my edits. I can add both P364 and P407 if that is needed. --- Amihan27 (talk) 20:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
                          • There is no use to repeat the value of P364 in P407. It can be useful if the value is different. Maybe you want to include a qualifier that confirms what it is. --- Jura 05:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Just curious, why do you remove Spanish in [1]? and why do you add English instead? That seems redundant to P364 and unclear. Are you using this somewhere in eswiki? Maybe I can help you with the infobox there. --- Jura 15:13, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

• It seems you repeated a few P364 statements with p407 we already removed earlier. Please avoid adding them. I will try to clean up some reminders. --- Jura 12:52, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
• Can you stop removing P364 statements and not add P407 when present? --- Jura 08:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)