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Crime: instance of vs. subclass ofEdit

Why can't it be both? --EthanRobertLee (talk) 01:44, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Even on Help:Basic membership properties it says that there's nothing that keeps an item from being both an instance of and subclass of. Additionally, why do you believe it's a subclass and not an instance of?

Because the definition of a crime varies from country to country? Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 01:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
An example to illustrate instance/subclass: assassination of John F. Kennedy (Q193484) is an instance of murder (Q132821), so murder must be a subclass of something else. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 01:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I see where you're coming from, but couldn't assassination of John F. Kennedy (Q193484) be an instance of murder (Q132821), which is an instance of crime (Q83267)? I can understand why your thinking is a useful way to link the data, which is why I didn't delete the existing subclass: crime statements. I think that as someone who's interested in criminology you're looking at it from one angle, which is murder as an act, and I, as a prosecutor, am looking at murder as a statutory law. They're the same thing, which is why they shouldn't probably be broken into two items, but there shouldn't just be one way of looking at this concept. --EthanRobertLee (talk) 02:18, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

WD:L vis-a-vis AllahEdit

Hey, I saw your revert and checked WD:L. Firstly, it is an informational page and not a policy or guideline so you cannot enforce it at will. Secondly, it discusses the label when it proposes only to capitalize proper nouns not the description but here you are changing the description and uncapitalizing the first letter in description. I think it is preferable to capitalize the first letter of the description. English language rule, the sentence starts with a capital letter and description is a form of a sentence. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:11, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant WD:D. Your edits were not according to Wikidata guidelines. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 17:32, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Andreasmperu/2019/2018Edit

Maybe better to use a bot than to move everything. Multichill (talk) 21:27, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Not very active atm (on my mobile right now), and won’t be for a bit. Why don’t you go ahead and offer such wonderful service to the entire community? Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 02:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Q170217 and Q15863Edit

Hi, You changed the French label for Q170217 and Q15863 arguing that « Lower case according to WD:L », but Tchèques or Slovènes are proper names and the must always be written with a capital. The labels in other languages are for instance Češi / Čechové, Tschechen, Czechs, Česi, Czesi, Česi, Чехи, Tjekker, Ĉeĥoj, Cechi, etc. « tchèque » (čeština, etc.) means czech language Q9056. Alain Schneider (talk) 18:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed reply. I see that you have already fixed my errors. Thank you for that! Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 18:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Commons as category orientatedEdit

Commons is totally category-based. To implement your logic then these are also mistakes??:

--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:51, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


Hey! Why did you remove the edit that Eminem is left-handed? In many videos and commercials, Em writes with his left hand. 05:30, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi. I merge the wp:fr article fr:Roi de Danemark with fr:Monarchie danoise. You can see the discussion on fr:Discussion:Monarchie_danoise. I delete the redirection on wikidata, because it's a part of the merge process, for me. And if wikidata allow the use of redirection, it's not a obligation. I don't think it forbid to suppress redirection after I merge the articles. And for wp:fr, the use of redirection in wikidata, which create interwiki between redirection isn't common. Nouill (talk) 10:31, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Splitting Wikipedia links between two related Wikidata itemsEdit

Hi Andreasmperu,

I've noticed that you split Wikipedia links between election campaign (Q11642595) and political campaign (Q847301), though they were linked before Wikidata was created.
Same thing on dating (Q654810) and date (Q16302720).

Wikidata is more precise than Wikipedia about subjects, so there will always be more Wikidata items than Wikipedia articles. The initial only purpose of Wikidata was to centralise interlanguage links. Splitting them between related Wikidata articles goes against that purpose. One way to know if Wikipedia articles are related is to check the redirects. For example, en:Election campaign redirects to en:Political campaign. Same thing for fr:Dating and fr:Rendez-vous galant.
Some Wikipedias will sometimes have articles for both subjects, that's not a problem. Just keep the most Wikipedia articles linked together on the broader subject item. The RedBurn (ϕ) 11:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

autonomism (Q127393)Edit

You have reverted my editions regarding autonomism (Q127393). Therefore you should check this:

1. Political movement

a) The item at issue belongs to en:Autonomism. There is stated: "Autonomism, also known as autonomist Marxism or autonomous Marxism, is a set of anti-authoritarian left-wing political and social movements and theories. As a theoretical system, it first emerged in Italy in the 1960s from workerist (operaismo) communism."

b) The Spanish and French labels are "movimiento autónomo" and "mouvement autonome".

c) Therefore it was correct, that I added the statement: instance of (P31) political movement (Q2738074) - and it was as well correct, that I added the German alias "autonome Bewegung".

2. Gran-Enciclopedia-Aragonesa-ID: Autonomismo [aragonés]

a) As already quoted, the object of the item at issue is "Autonomism, also known as autonomist Marxism or autonomous Marxism".

Contrary, Great Aragonese Encyclopedia ID (P1807) 1608 - http://www.enciclopedia-aragonesa.com/voz.asp?voz_id=1608 - deals with aragonese autonomism (i.e.: regionalism):

"El 1.º de Mayo de 1972 aparece el Manifiesto para Aragón del PCE, que viene a captar las reivindicaciones de un naciente autonomismo aragonés que no limita sus objetivos a una autonomía política y a los aspectos tradicionales folclóricos, sino que llega más allá, a una «descentralización económica», a la lucha contra el trasvase, a un mejor reparto de la tierra. Poco a poco se va configurando un autonomismo aragonés de rasgos propios, que vienen a enlazar con las reivindicaciones del Frente Popular en Caspe (1936) y con el Consejo de Aragón de la guerra civil, a la par que con el costismo. [...]"
• Bibliog.:
Cazcarra, Vicente: Aragón: el regionalismo de los comunistas; Guara Editorial, Zaragoza.
Royo Villanova, Carlos: El Regionalismo Aragonés; Guara Editorial.
Sainz de Varanda, Ramón: «Constitución y regiones»; en núm. 128 de Andalán, 26-VIII/2-IX de 1977. Seminario de Estudios Aragoneses: Este problema llamado Aragón; Libros Pórtico, Zaragoza, 1976."

All this has nothing to do with "Autonomism" in the tradition of "operaismo" (Q1109552), rather it is similar to regionalism in other Spanish regions. (And, of course, the Spanish [and as well aragonse] PCE was close to the PCI [and not autonomist Marxism / operaism].)

b) Therefore is was correct, that I deleted the identifier Great Aragonese Encyclopedia ID (P1807) 1608.

3. GND: "autonome Gruppe"

a) As well I deleted the identifier GND ID (P227) 4365111-2 - http://d-nb.info/gnd/4365111-2 -. The "Sachbegriff" (concept) there is: "Autonome Gruppe". It's a simliar object (because there is stated as well: "Oberbegriffe[:] Politische Gruppe[,] Neue Linke[,] Neue soziale Bewegung").

Nevertheless, there is a difference between a certain (specific) "autonome Gruppe" (or several specific "autonome Gruppe[n]") and the entire autonomist movement. The difference between a group and an ideology is even greater.

b) Therefore is was correct, that I


  • created a new item "Autonome Gruppe (Q96146266)", conected the new item with GND ID (P227) 4365111-2

and added the new statements: "movimiento autónomo" and "mouvement autonome"


4. Not all deAutonome are Marxists (maybe even the mayority is not!)

As well it was correct, that I deprecated the statement subclass of (P279) libertarian Marxism (Q3052803) and stated instead subclass of (P279) radical left (Q15141601). As quoted, the identifier Freebase ID (P646) states: "Als Autonome oder autonome Gruppen werden heute Mitglieder bestimmter linksradikaler unorthodox-marxistischer beziehungsweise anarchistischer Bewegungen bezeichnet. Autonome Gruppen sind in Bezugsgruppen organisiert. Untereinander bestehen lose Verbindungen und Netzwerke. Die Autonomen streben danach, auch unabhängig von der bestehenden Gesellschaftsordnung, selbstbestimmte Freiräume zu schaffen. Im Allgemeinen verfolgen sie antiautoritäre, sozialrevolutionäre und dem Anarchismus nahestehende Ideale. Von den Staatsschutz-Behörden Deutschlands, Österreichs und der Schweiz wird die autonome Bewegung als linksextrem eingestuft."

5. Theory and movement - to be distinguished?

There is only one point seriously to be discussed: Maybe we (at Wikidata) would have to distinguish between:

  • en-WP: "autonomist Marxism or autonomous Marxism" (= operaism <Q1109552>) (= a Marxist "ideology" or social science theory) on the one hand


  • esmovimiento autónomo, frmouvement autonome and deautonome Bewegung / de:Autonome: "unorthodox-marxistischer beziehungsweise anarchistischer Bewegungen".

Best regards,

--Nstrc (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

User Research - Looking for volunteersEdit

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aviso sobre un posible caso de autopromocionEdit

hay un usuario bastante molesto que quiere,por narices tener su propia pagina,el lugar de estudios,el dia de nacimiento,el canal de youtube y que no permitira a nadie borrarla, adjunto enlace como prueba felaciente https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q89277289&action=history-- 00:30, 20 June 2020 (UTC)


I see that the item of Eren Göksu has been deleted. I have seen no discussion about this deletion request. Have I been pinged somehow? Indeed I have several long watchlists on WMF projects and could have missed any notification. All the same I would like to know when this deletion discussion was opened, by whom and how it developed. Can you indicate me? Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 01:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Sure, all deletion requests are listed on WD:RFD. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 03:15, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
So you delete items with a cat on Commons upon an anonymous request and not caring to ask a humble contributor who has developed the item. Every passing day my belief in WPs, Commons and now WD is lessening due to these attitudes. --E4024 (talk) 04:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Should I assume that E4024 is your real name then? We are mostly anonymous contributors here, and each contribution is equally taken into account. Maybe you could take the time to ask for advice, instead of blaming other people. The notability policy of Wikidata (WD:N) states that "Category items with a sitelink only to Wikimedia Commons are not permitted, unless either a) there is a corresponding main item which has a sitelink to a Commons gallery or b) the item is used in a Commons-related statement". I have taken the time to answer to you, could I expect you to read the project policies? Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 05:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Reverted edits in Q1439502Edit

Hi, I noticed you reverted my recent edits in Q1439502 and I was wondering, why? I am afraid I am rather new to Wikidata, and I don't see what was wrong with the edits. What I was trying to do was replace the genre 'portrait painting' with the genre 'portrait' considering as the artwork in question is not a painting and that seems to be an integral part of 'portrait painting'. Did I do something wrong? thanks

You were right, so I have changed the statement to portrait sculpture (Q28777669). It's always a good idea to add the reference to the item like I'm doing in this message, and to sign the message at the end. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 18:18, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Danielsummerstay (talk) 18:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi !

You reverted several of my edits that were there to fix double pages linked in Wikipedia. For instance : w:Minister of Information (France) that is the new page for w:List of Information Ministers of France. Your reverts are problematic because they now point to non-used redirect pages on the english wikipedia. Could we work this out ?

Best regards, CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 21:58, 14 July 2020 (UTC)|

Redirects are allowed in Wikidata. Also, Wikidata is not just about enwiki. Please don't mix interwikis that belong to a Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) with normal pages. Just check the statements before changing sitelinks. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 22:04, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
That still doesn't solve the problem that the pages you reverted point to basically nowhere now. The list and the normal pages are the same, but apparently you don't want to here that. Thanks for the "help" and the "courtesy". I'm out of here. CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Reverted Gregorian Date.Edit

Hello Andreas, why did you revert my edit on a date in year 634 concerning the used calendar model? There was no Gregorian Calendar in year 634 and theses days the Julian Calendar was used. --Looperz (talk) 07:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

And that's why there is a qualifier explaining the issue, which should remain in place. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 15:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

block user TurkmenistanEdit

it does not stop interfering in the article Samuel Doe to your liking, urges to stop your feet-- 15:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi. Could you tell me why did you reverted these two edits of mine: #1 and #2. These weren't vandalisms. The first one eliminated duplicate parameters – didn't you see that? Thats true, I cut off many multi-language entities a few days ago, but I couldn't give them back – why? I don’know why I have no possibility to add label or description for another languages except these of Polish, English and German. Is there a chance to fix it? The second edit above – you see, I don’t have to justify myself. Could you answer me? Best regards. --Pit rock (talk) 15:44, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you have created quite a mess in that item. I'm glad that you tried to fix, but it would be better to stop for a second when doing so many edits in one single item. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 15:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Are there any solutions to give me a chance to fix such "mess" on my own in the future? That wasn't another simple edit as you saw? I just merged two items (too fast – that's true), but in all this excitement, I lost track myself. As I remember I couldn't undo my weak changes… Where I should write, to who if I would (I think it won't happen agian) make similar unfortunate edits another time? --Pit rock (talk) 16:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Sure, the easiest fix when it's just to hard to track past edits, it's to go to the history page. Once there, look for the earliest edit you had made. Then, you click on restore the previous edit to that one (in this case it would be this edit by Mkbergman), and everything will be back to the beginning. That "restore button" can really be a life-saver, so hope it helps in the future. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 16:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, true. In that turmoil and chaotic tension by me I couldn't find this passage back ("restore button"). Thank you. Wish you a good health during this dreadful pandemic ;-) --Pit rock (talk) 17:20, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Deleted itemEdit

Hello, two items link to Q60577599 (they are members of this organization) and there are many news articles on this organization. Please, can you revert the deletion? --Davidpar (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

  Done Please add references to the item or it could get deleted again. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 16:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Deleted itemEdit

Buenos días: No entiendo por que se han borrado los items que yo había dado de alta, cuando eran items reales que aportaban información a wikidata. Al realizar el borrado se empobrece la base de datos. En ningún momento he introducido ningún dato falso o erróneo.--Freycris1969 (talk) 06:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

¿Se ha tomado la molestia de revisar las políticas que señalé en su página de discusión? Parece que no. El desastre que ha hecho al crear infinidad de artículos sin relevancia va a demandar mucho tiempo de otros editores. Estaré observando sus contribuciones, pues su cuenta parece ser de propósito particular: ignorar las políticas de este proyecto, dañándolo en el proceso solo para satisfacer su propia agenda. Si veo que continúa en ese accionar, procederé a un bloqueo indefinido de la cuenta. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 23:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

He revisado las políticas que cortesmente me ha indicado y es ese el motivo por el que no acabo de comprender por qué no son correctas las ediciones que ha procedido a borrar. Mi motivación tan sólo es ampliar el datalle de la información facilitada en wikidata y completar en la medida de mis posibilidades la información que aparece, siempre de manera fiable. Por ejemplo, no comprendo por que puede seguir manteniendo Q60577599 Colegio de veterinarios de Gerona y por contra se han borrado el resto de colegios veterinarios provinciales que había dado de alta. No obstante, descuide, no volveré a hacerlo. Muchas gracias por sus explicaciones.--Freycris1969 (talk) 06:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Revert on itemEdit

Hi, You reverted me here, can you explain what was it for? I was only removing an error giving reference which had been incorrectly added as a journal (was a website with no known credibility) and there were already good database references in the statements so there was no need for that particular website in there anyway. Please look into this and remove that problematic reference from the statements, thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 07:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Balts and the BalticsEdit

Why did you revert my changes to Balts (Q207761), Baltistics (Q463604), Baltics (Q805727), Latvians (Q49540)? As already explained in edit summaries, these were all corrections to obvious errors. See respective articles on Wikipedia: en:Baltic states, en:Balts, en:Baltistics. The Balts (ethnic groups) does not include Estonians, while the Baltics (countries) includes Estonia. Baltistics studies the Balts and Baltic languages, not the Baltics. Also, as explained in edit summary for Q49540, P131 and P17 were mixed up, and description change did not match the content. 2001:7D0:81F7:B580:D45E:EB7B:AC1C:6A0A 08:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Coordenadas en subdivisiones administrativasEdit

Hola Andreasmperu, espero que te encuentres bien. Deseo consultarte sobre si los valores de las coordenadas para departamentos/provincias/distritos deberían de tener el centro administrativo (capital) o cualquier valor. Lo pregunto en parte porque me encontré con esta edición, donde un usuario me menciona que no lo vuelva a cambiar (originalmente se encontraba en la capital y el usuario lo cambio a otro lugar), ya que parece estar usándolo en una plantilla de wikipedia en ruso. Saludos --Ovruni (talk) 19:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Notificación de traducción: Template:HelloEdit

Hola, Andreasmperu:

Has recibido esta notificación porque te inscribiste como traductora de español y francés en Wikidata. La página Template:Hello está disponible para su traducción. Puedes traducirla aquí:

La prioridad de esta página es media.

Agradecemos enormemente tu ayuda. Traductores como tú hacen que Wikidata funcione como una verdadera comunidad multilingüe.

Puedes cambiar tus preferencias de notificación.


Los coordinadores de traducción de Wikidata‎, 19:10, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Cambio persistenteEdit

hay una especia de BOT el cual insiste en cambiar la fecha de fallecimiento del difunto expresidente liberiano Samuel Doe al 6 de enero de 1986 cuando fue asesinado el 9 de septiembre de 1990-- 21:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)