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located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) Kaartinkaupunki (Q1017793)Edit

Hi you added the claim located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) Kaartinkaupunki (Q1017793) to a park in Helsinki. However, P131 is only used for administrative areas. You can use P1134 (P1134) for neighbourhoods or districts. Michiel1972 (talk) 16:13, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the information! I stand corrected. ––Apalsola (talk) 17:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, I would have thought that Kaartinkaupunki (Q1017793) is an administrative area. What do you think Apalsola? Danrok (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, it depends on what "administrative" actually means. Kaartinkaupunki is a city district or neighbourhood (Finnish: kunnanosa (literally "part of the municipality") or kaupunginosa (literally "part of the city")) of the City of Helsinki. It is administrative in the sense that concept of dividing cities (and municipalities) to districts is set in the law and districts' borders are drawn by the city/municipality councils. However, these borders (and the whole concept of dividing Finnish cities to districts or neighbourhoods) serve mainly for city planning purposes: city districts do not have any administration of their own. So, in that sense the only "administrative" entity is the City of Helsinki. Best regards, ––Apalsola (talk) 00:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed Property talk:P131 and I think it is pretty clear: P131 should not be used for unincorporated areas such as city/municipality districts of Finland. ––Apalsola (talk) 12:24, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Apalasola, seems that You misunderstood the discussion on P131. The sense of this property ist to locate the item in a clearly defined area (which is necessary basis for any administrative purposes). It isn't important, if the administrative unit has a real administration, etc. So please don't revert my edits. --Arch2all (talk) 07:10, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@Arch2all: It seems that the description of P131 has changed since June 2015, so please do not make any assumptions what I have misunderstood.
However, if that is the case, then the P131 for Kallio Church (Q2981697) should actually be Linjat (Q515435). It is a sub-district of Kallio (Q1011613). However, please notice that such orthodox use of P131 leads to problems with Commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox, for example. The template in Commons:Category:Kallio Church now shows "Linjat, Kallio, Finland" as the location, completely omitting the fact that the church is actually located in Helsinki, which is just ridiculous. Of course this can be considered as the problem in the template (it probably would be possible to "dig" the chain of the administrative territorial entities from Wikidata items) and not in the data in Wikidata but this kind of aspects should be considered as well. ––Apalsola tc 15:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC) –– (grammar fix) Apalsola tc 15:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
As You said, this is a problem of the template. Technical restrictions of templates or similar front end stuff, shouldn't be the reason for exceptions in the data structure of wikidata. --Arch2all (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikidataa opettelemaan!Edit

Hei! Olisitko kiinnostunut osallistumaan Wikimedia Suomen järjestämään Wikidataan perehdyttävään projektiin. Pyydämme osallistujiksi wikipedistejä sekä organisaatioita, joiden kanssa opettelemme yhdessä, heidän aineistoillaan. Järjestämme lokakuun alussa Helsingissä työpajapäivän, jossa esitellään Wikidataa sekä suomeksi että englanniksi. Puhujat ja paikka varmistuvat vähitellen, päivämäärä on 2.10.2015. Valmistelemme myös online-opiskelupakettia suomeksi. Olisi hienoa saada mukaan Wikidataa aktiivisesti muokkaavia tilaisuuteen tai opastamaan/oppimaan online. Projektin työn alla olevat sivut ovat täällä: fi:Wikipedia:Wikiprojekti Avoin kulttuuridata hyötykäyttöön. Voit myös lähettää minulle sähköpostia käyttäjäsivuni kautta.

Toivottavasti tavataan!

Ystävällisesti, Susannaanas (talk) 08:46, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Kiitos kutsusta! Pitkähkön matkan vuoksi en varmaan paikan päälle pääse, mutta etäosallistuminen saattaa onnistua. ––Apalsola (talk) 19:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

FootEdit

Hei Apalsola. You wrote 48 foot for airport elevation at Q1131604. Whyt not feet instead of foot and why not metres instead of feet? Regards, --Gereon K. (talk) 08:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

The text is actually not "text", but a reference to Wikidata entity "Q3710", and "foot" is the form used there. There reason I used feet instead of metres is that it is the unit used in the reference. (Feet are used instead of metres to denote altitude and elevation in aviation even in countries that otherwise use metric system.) ––Apalsola (talk) 09:40, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

newspapersEdit

I found you when I ran this query (Finland lit up very brightly). We're making a major push at the moment to improve newspaper coverage, and would love to have you join in at w:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Newspapers (also note the Wikidata subpage). --99of9 (talk) 07:47, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@99of9: Yes, I have added some information to newspaper items, mainly to make them more usable as references in other items, and may also occasionally do so in the future. However, newspapers are not my main focus on Wikidata (nor Wikimedia projects in general), so thank you for asking but I am not interested in participating the project. Best regards, ––Apalsola tc 17:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Stadtteil von Helsinki (Q15715406)Edit

Kallio instance of (P31) neighbourhood of Helsinki (Q15715406) and neighbourhood of Helsinki (Q15715406) has subclass of (P279) of administrative territorial entity of Helsinki (Q3177944). That defines Kallio definitely as an administrative unit! --Arch2all (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, Wikidata does not define, how things are in the real world, does it? The city districts (Q21682724; kunnanosa or kaupunginosa in Finnish) in Finland are just borders on the map without any administration of their own. Municipality (Q856076; kunta or kaupunki in Finnish) is the lowest administrative unit in Finland.- ––Apalsola tc 16:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
@Arch2all: Please also see the first discussion on this page: I actually got corrected myself when adding city districts as administrative territorial units. ––Apalsola tc 16:20, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Carl Lenngren ja Carl Ludvig EngelEdit

Terve! Olen tämän Wikidatan kanssa suhteellisen kokematon, mutta huomasin Haminan Marian ja Johanneksen kirkkojen kohdalla, että arkkitehdiksi oli merkitty Carl Lenngren. Kyseessä pitäisi olla Carl Ludvig Engel, mutta näköjään tässä Wikidatassa Lenngrenin ja Engelin nimet ovat sekoittuneet. Marian kirkkoa koskevan wikidata-sivun historian mukaan sinä olit lisännyt arkkitehdiksi juuri Lenngrenin, joten tiedätkö mitään tästä sekaannuksesta? En tiedä onko Engeliä joskus kutsuttu Lenngreniksi, mutta Engel lienee tunnetumpi nimi. En itse kykene muuttamaan tietoa.Niera (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Pahoitteluni, huomasin nyt miten nimeä saa korjattua.Niera (talk) 22:06, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Niera: Minä olen kyllä lisännyt arkkitehdiksi ihan Engelin. Jostain syystä Susannaanas on maaliskuussa vaihtanut Engelin nimen Lenngreniksi, mille ei nähdäkseni ole ollut mitään perusteita. Todennäköisesti kyse on ollut vahingosta tms. Tämän vuoksi kaikissa viittauksissa Engeliin on näkynyt sitten tuo Lenngren. Samankaltaisia virheitä näkee Wikidatassa kohtuullisen paljonkin. Tässä tapauksessa virhe on nyt kuitenkin korjattu. ––Apalsola tc 07:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Olen nähnyt tuon Lenngrenin jossain, mutta missään nimessä en ole tehnyt muutosta tietoisesti. Tässä on sotku, selvitetään se! –Susanna Ånäs (Susannaanas) (talk) 08:04, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Tuon niminen kuvanveistäjä ainakin on Suomessa vaikuttanut. Olisiko sekoittunut siihen? ––Apalsola tc 08:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
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