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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:44, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Merci de ton accueil. Le fonctionnement n'est pas évident mais çà ira! --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Broken linkEdit

Hello, you inserted invalid file link in this edit. Commons does not have such file. Most probably your are trying to specify link to Wikipedia local file. But local files are not supported by Wikidata. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 18:08, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Q5563465Edit

Bonjour, pourquoi avoir supprimé Francesco Cornaro (Q1149541) de la liste des enfants de Giorgio Cornaro (Q5563465) ? La page wikipedia italienne de Francesco indique que ses parents étaient "Giorgio e di Elisabetta Morosini". Et la page wikipedia de Giorgio mentionne son mariage avec Elisabetta Morosini. Cette suppression me semble donc surprenante. Je vois aussi que tu as changé le père de Marco Cornaro (Q927473) (né en 1482) et l'a fait fils de Giorgio Corner (Q668959) (pourtant décédé en 1439), alors que là encore les pages wikipedia en font un frère de Francesco et un fils de "Giorgio Corner e di Elisabetta Morosini". --Melderick (talk) 13:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Maladresse de ma part. C'est difficile de s'y retrouver. Ils ont le même nom de famille et le même prénom. Il serait utile de rajouter au nom et prénom leurs dates pour plus de sûreté.
Oui, c'est clair. J'ai dans ma todo de lancer une discussion pour décider comment remplir au mieux les labels et descriptions. Je te laisse annuler les 2 modifications. Merci. --Melderick (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
pour Francesco Cornaro (Q1149541) il serait bon de lui redonner son nom de Francesco Corner mais je ne sais pas renommer les fichiers --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 13:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Hmmm de quels fichiers tu parles ? --Melderick (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Francesco Cornaro (Q1149541) mais je suis très peu comptant en wikidata... --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 14:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah tu veux dire changer son label français ? Comme je viens de le faire ? Pour le nom en haut de page, il s'agit du label dans ta langue de préférence (l'anglais par défaut). --Melderick (talk) 14:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Bien je viens de comprendre. Voilà pourquoi des tentatives malheureuses m'ont conduit a faire des suppressions indues. Il en résulte que je dès que j'aurai un problème dans Wikidata je te demanderais ton avis. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 14:48, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Pas de soucis, si je peux aider :D --Melderick (talk) 14:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

synonymsEdit

Hi Archaeodontosaurus,

I see that you overwrote the taxon name (again) by that of the name of a taxon that some taxonomists judge to be correct in this case. This is not the way it is done here: it is totally uninformative. Firstly, Ambulyx moorei already has its own item, and a new duplicate is unnecessary. Secondly, it destroys information: where else should we put the information about Ambulyx thwaitesii than in the item dedicated to Ambulyx thwaitesii?

If you possess information that some taxonomists are of the opinion that Ambulyx thwaitesii is a synonym of Ambulyx moorei, then you are welcome to add that information by using "taxon synonym" (taxon synonym (P1420)) in the item Ambulyx moorei (Q2622767) with as value Ambulyx thwaitesii (Q15785915). Preferably this should be referenced by adding a good taxonomic source. In addition, it is possible to add in the item Ambulyx thwaitesii (Q15785915): "instance of" (P31) "synonym" (Q1040689) with qualifier "of" (P642) and value Ambulyx moorei (Q2622767). Preferably this should also be referenced by adding a good taxonomic source.

That way we retain all the information available. It is never a good idea to change the taxon name in an existing item (except when according to the Rules of the appropriate Code of nomenclature it is misspelled). - Brya (talk) 09:15, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Synonyms are a plague we must fight them. For Ambulyx moorei there are at least nine synonyms, we are not going to make an entry for all. Some butterfly have 69 synonyms. There are rules that you very well stated, but we must not be robots, each entry may be a special case and can be discussed. I will not modify the page but I will report the anomaly in the page of discussion when the case will be presented. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, it depends. Synonyms are a reality, but vary greatly in nature. There are prominent synonyms that are found widely in the literature as valid/correct names, and very obscure synonyms that are found only in the most thorough taxonomic works, but that otherwise nobody has heard of. Wikidata should have items for all the prominent names/synonyms (NPoV), but the obscure ones are indeed a problem. A common form that this problem takes is that somebody imports lots of obscure names (creating an item for each one) and we are left to make some sort of sense of them. - Brya (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
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