User talk:Deryck Chan/Archive 1

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— Cirt (talk) 13:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: June 4

Hey! Not sure if that's the right thing to do, it looks to me that only the zh-yue wiki article would belong there while the rest are better linked to Q99717, but I am no expert in the subject (and can't understand the articles!).

To see other languages, you need to add a babel template to your userpage (e.g. I see Italian, English and French because I put them down on my userpage). I know it sounds a bit weird, but I am not aware of any other way to do it... --Snow Blizzard 18:52, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the bug. Yeah, it is quite an obscure operation :-). Hope you're enjoying your freedom! --Snow Blizzard 15:07, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

re: Labels, Q99717

Hi, thanks for your message. I tend to believe Wikipedia (etc) should be descriptive, not prescriptive. I agree that June 4th / June 4th Incident is "strictly" the crackdown only, but in common parlance it is synonymous with the whole event. The same is true of "Tiananmen Square massacre". This usage, while semantically imprecise, is widespread: all of the language versions other than the Cantonese one all use these terms synonymously for the whole episode.

I have discovered two other articles that cover the crackdown specifically: the Chinese one is called "the clearing of the square on the 4th of June", and the English one is somewhat lengthily called "People's Liberal Army at the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989" (something like that), for which there is an existing item at Q7165608.

As you probably know, labels don't mean much on Wikidata, it's the categorisation of the items that matter. My firm view is simply that all articles that cover the whole episode, i.e. the summary article, belong together at item Q99717, while all articles on the crackdown specifically, belong together, either at Q7165608 or Q13403463. Because of the confused usage of the various terms, this grouping must be by content, not name of the article.

As to the label for these items, I think Q99717 is fine as it is. For the crackdown, I have left it with the English Wikipedia title simply because it is the English Wikipedia title, but perhaps something better can be found - maybe "Crackdown in Beijing on 4 June 1989"? I don't think "June 4th Incident" would be ideal as the item label, however, simply because of the risk of confusion. --PalaceGuard008 (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! --PalaceGuard008 (talk) 10:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Akkakk/issues/deprecated-languages/zh-yue

As well your comments are archived, then I'll tell you the results of these items are: these "zh-yue" labels are migrated into "yue" by Wylve. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)