User talk:Edoderoo/Archive 1

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Nunatak

You added P31:Mountain to Correll Nunatak (Q21476959). It rather look like a nunatak (Q194408) to me. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

A nunatak seems to be a subclass of mountain, so to my idea both would be right (on this item). I'm filling this now from the sv-category "mountain by country" as there are thousands of items with no claims at all. Both the country and P31 can be added as a start from the categories, and maybe more details could be transferred by a bot from the infoox later on. Edoderoo (talk) 18:58, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Especially the Geonames-ID would be nice to transfer here. Geonames is the main source to most of these articles. I started with this for "sv:Kategori:Vattendrag i Uíge". Your account looks faster than mine, so please go ahead.

The same thing would fit for "sv:Vattendrag i Malanje" except for that P131:Q219072 fits better in this province.

sv:Kategori:Vattendrag i Lunda Norte, P131:Q214221

sv:Kategori:Vattendrag i Cuanza Sul, P131:Q216998

sv:Kategori:Vattendrag i Cuanza Norte, P131:Q216834

etc... -- Innocent bystander (talk) 19:10, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Bot malfunctional?

Hi, are you sure your bot is working properly? I just found this edit by random on my watchlist and it seems to be wrong (Drogba is Ivorian, not French). I don't have the time to check the other edits by your bot, but please make sure the descriptions are correct according to the items' statements. Cheers, Yellowcard (talk) 16:38, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

The bot is working fine, but according to Wikidata, this person has a double nationality. My bot will take the first of the two for the Dutch description. Edoderoo (talk) 16:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Q7737672

The programme you added is the Dutch version and not the British version, so I reverted to mantain only the articles about the British version in various languages; please, create a different item for the Dutch version. --Gce (talk) 18:11, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, I didn't add it, I added only the description. The link was added by an ip-address. ¬ Edoderoo (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Q274642 and others

I suppose that country of origin (P495) for sport clubs and teams is better than country (P17). --Infovarius (talk) 15:20, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

You are actually right ... on the other hand, I can not think of an item that will have both country (P17) and country of origin (P495) on a single item, leaving alone that they would be different. I will better write a python script for this, to get this normalized among all existing entries. Thanks for letting me know! Edoderoo (talk) 19:08, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I put some questions in the project chat, as I noticed that country of origin (P495) has not been filled that much, though it seems more logical to be used to me as well. Edoderoo (talk) 08:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

componist uit België vs Belgisch componist

Waarom heb je de combinatie België -> Belgisch niet gedefinieerd in je bot? Nu zegt hij dus componist uit België. Zie Stefaan Fernande (Q2237741). Mbch331 (talk) 14:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Goeie vraag. Helaas kan ik 'm er niet meer zomaar inzetten, als ik de bot nu stop, duurt het minstens 4 dagen voor hij het eerste artikel terugvind waar hij gebleven was. Het is een kwestie van smaak, of "beroep uit land" mooier is dan "land-isch beroep". Mij persoonlijk maakt het niet zo heel veel uit, het doel was om alle personen met een nl-artikel een omschrijving te geven, in plaats van <leeg>. Edoderoo (talk) 14:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Ik heb het inmiddels aangepast, voor eventuele toekomstige wijzigingen. Edoderoo (talk) 10:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Edoderoobot

Hi, i cannot speak Dutch, but this does not seem as correct description to me. --Jklamo (talk) 02:02, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

antropoloog ≠ archaeoloog

Hi, please do not do such things. This was definetly not correct. Wurster has worked on architecture (= archaeologist, art historian), an "antropoloog" (antropologist) workes on human development in a biological way. Marcus Cyron (talk) 05:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, the root cause for this to happen, is the order of the statements in occupation (P106) for Wolfgang W. Wurster (Q99902). Where the Wikipedia-article can put some balance in the several occupations, Wikidata does not even have an order for those. My bot-script can only pick up the first, and assume that is the best one to be used for a description, to use all would be overkill in most cases. That script will only fill empty descriptions, therefor my description is still better then a blank one, and it could be improved from there. The main reason to fill all those, is to help out people that look for a person through the search bar. Especially with very common namss (John Johnson, there are 6+ on WikiData), it is helpful to know which one is the politician, which one the association football player, and which one the actor. My script should help to identify those (right now on the Dutch description only), straight from the search suggestions. You are right that a few will be left that can get a better description manually, on all Wikimedia projects there is always space left for improvement, today AND tomorrow. Edoderoo (talk) 08:55, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

My bot-script can only pick up the first, and assume that is the best one to be used for a description - so you Bot does not provide accurate work. That means - don't do it this way! It is wrong! The clue with Wikidata is, that wie want to provide correct informations. Please do only things that are not a guess. Marcus Cyron (talk) 03:14, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

If an edit makes any Wikimedia item better, it should be done, and my bot-edit made it better then it was before. If you can even make it better from there, you should improve it. And someone else will come later and make your edit even better then it was. That ain't no reason to not do it, and to wait for that someone else to do it for you. Only edits that make an item worse should not be done, and my edit did not make it worse, for sure. Edoderoo (talk) 08:38, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Once again: STOP IT! This is false! You are providing false informations! Stop it by yourself, or I need to stop you. Marcus Cyron (talk) 14:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Either the bot uses the first statement or all statements for occupation (P106), but if they're all equal, you can't blame a bot for picking the wrong statement when there are multiple statements and the bot only picks 1. The information the bot provided matches the information on Wikidata. Mbch331 (talk) 14:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

They are not really all equal, as I use the first one that was created. In many cases that will be the most important one. If it's not, it needs manual intervention. In a perfect world, all descriptions were added by someone that knew about the subject, in a less real world we have a bot filling it in and someone might improve them. In the real world we only complain that the world ain't perfect. On top of that: my bot did not touch that item again, it's a totally different person as before. If the person in case was not an antropoloog then it should not be listed in his profession. It was however listed as his profession, and therefor it was used in the Dutch description. I would do it exactly the same way manually, and I do not care if someone/anyone would override my edit(s) with a better one. In fact, if someone knows a better one, please just add it. Edoderoo (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, if he wasn't antropoloog, why has the statement describing him as that not been removed or been deprecated? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 15:18, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Because AGF is not valid on WikiData ;-) Edoderoo (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry that all this got into the archive, that seems to be a hidden feature of the Flow on user talk functionality. Edoderoo (talk) 16:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

possible duplicate items

Need to check

• "Bunbury Airport" (Q12692049) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12692049 looks like a deletable item
• Bunbury Airport https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3887257 looks like the better formed article

My apologies I am not very good at nominating duplicates yet... JarrahTree (talk) 14:04, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Usually we merge duplicates, which wil create a redirect to the item that will stay. Edoderoo (talk) 14:06, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I have merged these two for you. Edoderoo (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks JarrahTree (talk) 17:17, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Bot error

Edits like this do not appear to be helpful and are being repeated after reversion. Please stop your bot until it has been coded not to make them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I've edited it manually, when it is blank, there is indeed a chance that my bot will find it again. It is meant to run just once, but there is one instance finding :en linked persons, another one finding :de persons, and a third one for :fr persons. Therefor many items are found by two or three bot-instances. The other n/a instances I will find from my log-file, once the bot is finished, but that might take a few weeks, as the script is slow and the amount of persons described on WikiData is rather huge. This Rémi Mathis (Q673718) should not be touched again, because now it does have a description. Edoderoo (talk) 21:06, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

It is also creating nonsense birth and death dates like this. 117Avenue (talk) 01:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Indeed. The birth/death dates in the description are meant to give a rough idea, especially when father/son/grandson combo's have exactly the same name. The description still gives a rough idea, but this is not really meaningful and could be taken out as well. I will have a look into it. Edoderoo (talk) 07:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Your bot and Swedish districts

The way your bot edits, maybe can help me add descriptions to our 2523 registration district in Sweden (Q18333556)? I have manually added descriptions in many items, but many are still missing them. I am proposing that the bot adds "district in " + P131[1] + ", Sweden" as description in English (en). And "distrikt i " + P131[1] in Swedish (sv). Feel free to add other languages if you like! The first instance of P131 is normally the Swedish municipality it is located in. The second (if it exists) is the Province. I think there are some cases when there is two districts with the same name within one province, so municipality is a better choise. There is some cases when the district is located in more than one municipality. That is not a big issue since it is normally mainly located in only one with smaller fractions in other municipalities. There is of course one exception from that rule too, but it doesn't matter. I have used Autolist to add P131, and the tool has missed a number of items. (I am fixing them now.) But as soon as "claim[31:18333556] and noclaim[131]" is empty, you can start if you like. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 09:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Finally, "claim[31:18333556] and noclaim[131]" is empty now"! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 10:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for this good idea. This is what I will do: I will first create the script that will output to a file, that I will share in Google Sheets. Once everyone agrees that the suggested output makes sense (especially the Swedish texts) I can do a final run to make the changes. I'm not sure yet how much spare time I have, so it might take a week ;-) I will put a message on your talkpage once there is something to review. Edoderoo (talk) 15:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! There is no hurry. These administrative entities come live 2016-01-01. If the Swedish municipalities has survived 160 years without Wikidata, I think the districts will survive a few weeks! I have now added official name (P1448) to the items. The content of that property would probably fit as a label in many languages. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 16:19, 29 December 2015 (UTC)