User talk:Epìdosis/Archive/2022

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Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Epìdosis,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King's College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research, in which I have developed a personalised recommender system that suggests Wikidata items for the editors based on their past edits. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our system based on your previous edits. Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published to a research venue.

The study will start in late January 2022 or early February 2022, and it should take no more than 30 minutes.

If you agree to participate in this study, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSees9WzFXR0Vl3mHLkZCaByeFHRrBy51kBca53euq9nt3XWog/viewform?usp=sf_link I will contact you with the link to start the study.

For more information about the study, please read this post: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Kholoudsaa In case you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me through my mentioned email.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

• Curious what it would suggest to you ;)

BTW, could you create this, that and these 2. I can complete them once you click create.

Not sure what to think of here. I think I addressed the point made by the oppose.

Maybe you want to provide feedback at Wikidata:Property proposal/alphabetical index. It's mostly useful for Wikisource and Commons though.--- Jura 13:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Jura1: Thanks as always. I created the first two and supported the last; DPI has only one vote, so I prefer to wait; roses are honestly beyond my field of interest ;-) Bye! Epìdosis 14:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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Iain Chambers (Q3791452)

Ciao Epìdosis. Ti ringrazio di nuovo per aver risolto il problema di Ibisco. Ho rimosso l'immagine dalla pagina di Iain Chambers perché è l'immagine di un musicista, non dell'antropologo. Spero di aver fatto tutto nel modo giusto. Ciao. --Sun-crops (talk) 16:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sun-crops: sì, perfetto. Grazie a te! --Epìdosis 16:06, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Grazie a te. C'è solo un problema: in en.wikipedia il musicista Iain Chambers è collegato in wikidata all'antropologo. Posso chiederti la cortesia di allineare con un nuovo elemento wikidata? Qui però si pone un altro problema, un po' complicato: forse i wikipediani inglesi debbono spostare in Iain Chambers (performer) e quindi all'elemento wikidata deve essere data la stessa intestazione? Grazie. Ciao. --Sun-crops (talk) 16:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, Epìdosis. Ho visto la modifica. Bueno! Grazie infinite. --Sun-crops (talk) 16:16, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Eternals

Ciao, te ne avevo già parlato qui, con quegli IP messicani che inserivano info false sui paesi di produzione, con tu che alla fine hai sistemato e protetto la pagina, ora però lo stesso utente, questo, che come gli altri inizia con "2806:2F" ha nuovamente inserito paesi a caso, non è che sarebbe il caso di bloccare quel range su questa pagina (se si può)? Che ne pensi? Grazie--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 11:22, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Luke Stark 96: Non mi pare possibile bloccare il range di IP sulla specifica pagina; direi tuttavia che se si ripresenta un'altra volta posso rimandare un blocco sulla pagina, stavolta magari per 3 mesi. --Epìdosis 11:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

D'accordo, nel caso torni ti farò sapere, grazie--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 11:30, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Ecco fatto, come temevo, appena gliele ho annullate, è tornato--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Luke Stark 96:  Done, 6 mesi per maggiore tranquillità. --Epìdosis 13:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Grazie mille, buona continuazione :)--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 13:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Q96908139

Hi, you deleted Q96908139 because of WD:N. Could you have another look? I don’t recall why I specifically created this item although it probably had to do with a conflation or disambiguation issue. Anyway, I feel that the National Library of Israel is a serious, publicly available source. --Emu (talk) 21:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Found the reason: The item was created in order to disentangle the previously conflated VIAF entry (conflated with Barrie Lee Hall, Jr. (Q808916)). But as I said, I feel that Q96908139 is notable in its own right. Emu (talk) 21:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Emu:! I was effectively in doubt, the item was based on http://uli.nli.org.il/F/?func=find-b&local_base=NLX10&find_code=UID&request=987007297153905171 which is surely a good source, but I was afraid about it being "an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity" (WD:N2): we only know for sure "|a Meoros haShabbos, c2009 : |b verso of t.p. of v. 5 (editor, J. Lee)."; the dates 1948-2011 are from VIAF ("|a Field 046 added from VIAF"), so can be doubted. Anyway, I recognize the usefulness for disentangling (this was the reason I was unsure about the deletion), so I restored the item. Good night, --Epìdosis 21:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! The birthday can also be accessed through the tab “MARC Tags” @ the link you mentioned! Emu (talk) 22:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

"Stated in" for P2002

Hey, I noticed via watchlist you have removed the "No value" statement for P9073 on P2002. However, I think it makes more sense than the X (Q918) value. Surely if P2002 appears in a reference, it makes no sense, because there is no associated source to simply a username. What are your thoughts? --SilentSpike (talk) 16:43, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe we need a new property for the "published in" value to use? --- Jura 16:46, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@SilentSpike: I did it mainly for uniformity with Instagram username (P2003), Facebook username (P2013), LinkedIn personal profile ID (P6634), which already had the corresponding item of the social network; I agree that isn't ideal, though. A "published in" value would be interesting in my opinion. --Epìdosis 16:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Summary

Hi Epìdosis

Seems we disagree on some points. while I don't think this is much of a problem, from your summary, I wasn't sure if you had come across the discussions at [1] (8 months after someone wanted to switch it) and [2] (6 weeks after someone wanted to update it) about some previous (proposed) changes to fairly widely used properties. These are somewhat different, but still illustrate potential problems when trying to update the definition of a property, rather than starting the new one while letting people phase out the other. It seems your summary omits any users that already use values in the same format as Wikidata and try to match them with ours.

Point 5 "for reformatting" in your summary seems odd. Wouldn't be confusion be to find a different formats in one property problematic? I suppose the summary is meant to advocate the change, to "oblige" reusers to do something. --- Jura 12:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jura1: So, I knew the case of the Polish National Library, not the other one; in these cases, which are "somewhat different" as you say, I think creating a new property was effectively the correct choice. The main difference between those two and SBN IDs is the following: in those cases, the new IDs where different from the old IDs, in a way that passing from old to new and viceversa through a regular expressions was impossible, and so changing the old properties wasn't justified; in this case, SBN IDs will simply switch from a longer format to a shorter format which preserves the fundamental info and that allows reconstruction of the old ID through a simple regex (IT\ICCU\CFIV\000000 > CFIV000000 removing IT\ICCU\ and \ in 13th position > IT\ICCU\CFIV\000000 readding IT\ICCU\ and \ after 4th position); so, in fact, it is not a new ID but a different format of the present ID. Data from SBN are seldom used by Italian and international institution mainly because ICCU chooses to hide more than 90% of SBN authors judging their quality insufficient to be shown; thus a lot of fundamental authors, both Italian and foreign, are invisible in the authority file of SBN, and this discourages most institutions in creating connections with SBN IDs (besides, I am advocating for opening this invisible part of SBN); a few institutions use SBN data, including VIAF (which registers both forms of the IDs, with preference for the shorter one) and some thousands of Italian libraries, which connect directly to SBN (not through Wikidata) and have always used the shorter form of the ID. All in all I continue thinking that keeping old IDs and new IDs side by side in two different properties would be more confusing for reusers than seeing that, contemporarily with the birth of the new OPAC SBN, Wikidata has switched the existing properties to the shorter format of the same ID (the format that, outside Wikidata, has always been the most used in Italy, as I said). --Epìdosis 13:02, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Interesting, I did the ratio mentioned here and noticed that it's low even for 2 or 3 identifiers.

I don't think I wrote that both properties should be maintained in parallel (obviously it could be implied by their existence). One could even consider creating the second property and then moving the values over. In either case, relative to category descriptions, the size impact is negligible. --- Jura 08:14, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jura1: Moving values to a new property may be a viable solution, of course, but personally I still prefer keeping the older one, mainly because I think it is the same ID just passing from a longer to a shorter (and more common and more usable) format; and there seems to be wide consensus for this last solution, also from ICCU. --Epìdosis 08:20, 10 February 2022 (UTC) P.S. The statistics about the number of items with a single external-id would be interesting, of course!

Not sure if the issuer is the ideal "person" to ask about it. I had heard the same for P1214. --- Jura 08:26, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jura1: I agree in general, but here it is not only the issuer, but also 10 users (including me). --Epìdosis 08:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I wonder how many of them responded to a message other than the one on project chat. From some of the responses, I wasn't really convinced that they wouldn't expect the same for P1214. --- Jura 08:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Black Widow

Ciao, ho già chiesto il motivo di questo annullamento al diretto interessato, ma lo chiedo anche a te, così da avere la risposta anche in italiano. Quello è un dato che non si può toccare? Perché io ho solo aggiornato un dato vecchio di mesi, dove ho sbagliato? Tra l'altro non è la prima volta che lo faccio, io qui su Wikidata aggiorno incassi, numero di recensioni e social media, ma nessuno mi aveva mai detto niente--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 15:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Luke Stark 96:, di solito per dati variabili (es. popolazione di un luogo, follower ecc.) si usa aggiungere il nuovo valore senza cancellare quelli vecchi. --Epìdosis 16:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah davvero? Non l'avevo mai visto fare (ma io frequento poco wikidata), però mi sembra strano e anche poco utile lasciare un dato obsoleto se una riga sotto è presente quello aggiornato, potrebbe anche creare confusione. Comunque anche gli incassi e le recensioni sono un numero variabile, ma non ho mai visto doppioni di incassi uno sopra l'altro, anche perché se ad esempio aggiornassi gli incassi ogni settimana si verrebbe a creare un papiro di dati, di cui solo uno però è quello aggiornato. Comunque, il modo in cui l'ho fatto io quindi è sbagliato? Cioè semplicemente sostituire il dato con quello aggiornato?--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Luke Stark 96: Premetto che tendo a frequentare poco sia gli elementi geografici sia quelli di film, entrambi particolarmente interessati dal possibile problema che dici. Posso dire che in generale per social media followers (P8687) la mia impressione è che si usi aggiungere un nuovo valore come aggiornamento all'incirca ogni anno e che non si usi cancellare i precedenti; quindi sì, suggerirei di evitare la sostituzione pura e semplice. --Epìdosis 18:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Va bene, se di solito si fa così mi adeguo, grazie e buona continuazione--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 18:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Dexbot

Il bot sta modificando l'identificativo SBN di moltissime voci ma il risultato è che nel controllo di autorità di WPit il valore di SBN risulta non valido.--Zanekost (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Ho segnalato il problema in WPit nella discussione del T:Controllo di Autorità per capire se il problema è locale…--Zanekost (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost: Sì, il cambio è stato ampiamente discusso e approvato; il problema è locale di it.wiki, l'ho notato oggi e ho provato a intervenire ma senza successo; hai fatto bene a segnalarlo lì. --Epìdosis 19:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Terence

I tidied up the contents of commons:Category:Publius Terentius Afer. I found lots of images that had not been fully categorized, as well as manuscripts and images illustrating his plays (woodcuts, paintings, and miniatures). There are now categories for all six of his plays, with illustrations available for each one. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:02, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

MEL

Hello Epìdosis! Why did you remove this? Thanks Palotabarát (talk) 18:29, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Palotabarát:! In my understanding of the constraint (Help:Property constraints portal/Label language), it should be used to specify that items having a certain identifier should also have a certain label language because that label language is implied by the identifier; e.g. if the identifier is a website in Italian, they should have an Italian label - because an Italian label could be found in the identifier itself; while it is reasonable that all items should probably have a label in English for better findability, if a website is not in English I think it cannot immediately provide a possible English label and thus it is better not to insert English in the constraint. For the same reason I removed it here. Do you agree? --Epìdosis 18:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand. I didn't know about this restriction ... I'm sorry it's a rule, but I accept it. Thanks for the explanation! Palotabarát (talk) 18:43, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Uscita da Incubator

Buon giorno Epìdosis, ho fatto richiesta al comitato di revisione Incubator [3] per ottenere l'uscita da Incubator del progetto in lingua sassarese, oggi arrivato a 1.210 voci di testo. [4]. A dicembre abbiamo avuto 5 utenti attivi, a gennaio 3 e a febbraio 4. Non so quanti utenti attivi richiedano per l'uscita da Incubator. Hai qualche informazione in proposito? Le voci e le categorie in sassarese hanno link a corrispondenti voci o categorie presenti in altre Wikipedie, in modo da garantire in futuro un corretto collegamento a Wikidata. Sono anche sul progetto sardo campidanese - [5] che ha appena iniziato il suo iter su Incubator e ha oggi 10 categorie e 48 voci. Un saluto--Fausta Samaritani (talk) 10:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Fausta Samaritani:! Grazie per l'informazione. A giudicare da m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sassarese, credo che il riferimento che cerchi sia: "The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.". A presto, --Epìdosis 11:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Spero che gli ultimi tre mesi siano sufficienti. Nei mesi precedenti si era infilato un falso editore attivo che operava in molti progetti di Incubator; ma era stato bandito e rispuntava sotto altro nome. Così ritenevo che il numero degli utenti validi fosse superiore a quello che il prospetto in automatico faceva figurare. Grazie. Speriamo che la richiesta di uscire da Incubator, fatta il 1°marzo, arrivi a buon fine. --Fausta Samaritani (talk) 15:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Il Comitato ha risposto: I know your community is committed to it. And your achievements will be positively reviewed. It's been this month that your community met the minimum requirements for approval, so I'd like to wait another month. I would like to request comments on approval on March 21st if your work continues. Or another langcom member may make a request before that. Thanks. --Sotiale (talk) 01:26, 5 March 2022, Vìddi: [6]. Diceva mio nonno, che era del 1871: Manca sempre un soldo per fare la lira. Puoi fare qualche cosa per il Sassarese? Ho 'scoperto' il progetto Wikipedia in Lingua sarda campidanese, approvato nel 2017 e che non risultava neppure nell'elenco dei progetti wiki dentro Incubator. L'ho trovato il 15 febbraio 2022, a 0 voci e a 0 categorie. Ora procede bene, ma il lavoro è tanto. Sardu campidanesu . Un saluto--Fausta Samaritani (talk) 09:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Fausta Samaritani:, mi spiace. Purtroppo, non conoscendo la lingua, dubito di poter fare qualcosa. Comunque tienimi informato se c'è qualcosa di tecnico che può esservi utile. --Epìdosis 10:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

La pagina principale del progetto in Campidanese non ha il contatore delle pagine fatte che su Incubator si collega alla pagina delle Category e che segnala un numero totale che comprende sia le categorie esistenti, sia le voci realizzate. Non so come questo contatore si può realizzare; ma non è una cosa urgente. Buon lavoro.--Fausta Samaritani (talk) 10:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Mix'n'match and query question

Hello Epì,

First thanks for adding J9U places and J9U organizations. I suppose that J9U people is still to be come. regarding to Wikidata:Property proposal/ULI id. I want to add records to Mix'n'match. Already spoke to Ahava Choen about it, and she will contact to Bargioni to ask which kind of file it needed for this.

i have a question about the query. this query gives a list of all the items with LMHL author ID (P10404) (1417 items). I need a list with more info about this items so I made larger query but it gives only 1338 items. I suppose that some id's are missing so my large quey reduced because of that. How can I get the full records including the missing fields? Tthanks in advance for your help. Geagea (talk) 10:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Very quick reply...: try https://w.wiki/4wC2.  Bargioni 🗣 10:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

And another question. In query, how I can have list of items that "have not" statement nationality.

Also items that have Hebrew label.

Thanks in advance. Geagea (talk) 11:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: https://w.wiki/4xdJ and https://w.wiki/4xdK :) --Epìdosis 11:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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Barlaeus

Hello Epìdosis, with this edit last week you added a link to this entry in a Dutch biography portal. That page is about somebody who died in 1595 and was head of a school in Zaltbommel. The Q-item in Wikidata is about somebody who was a professor at an Amsterdam Univerisity from 1632 until his dead in 1648. Can you explain why and how you decided this is about the same person? - Robotje (talk) 10:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Robotje: It seems an error, of course. Maybe an accidental click. Thanks for noticing! --Epìdosis 10:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

SBN

Thanks for your mail! --Kolja21 (talk) 03:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata Navel Gazer è buggato?

Ciao! Secondo Wikidata Navel Gazer io avrei solo 92 "Reference additions", ma sono abbastanza sicuro di aver inserito più di 92 references tra i miei 170k+ contributi :-) Mi sto perdendo qualcosa? --Horcrux (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Horcrux: Dunque, la questione è interessante ed effettivamente non l'avevo mai approfondita moltissimo. Sostanzialmente, il punto di partenza è: NavelGazer si basa sugli edit summary automatici che Wikidata compila per ogni modifica, perché credo sia attualmente l'unica risorsa disponibile per calcoli di questo tipo. Ora, questi edit summary nel caso delle aggiunte di riferimenti sono peculiari: spessissimo (es.) un'aggiunta di riferimento viene segnata genericamente come "Modificata un'asserzione" (= Claim changes (P-16)) anziché precisamente come "Aggiunto riferimento a un'asserzione" (= Reference additions (P-11)). Per elaborare una casistica più precisa, ho fatto quattro prove:

• aggiunta di riferimento manuale, tramite tasto per aggiungere riferimenti (es.) = "Modificata un'asserzione"
• aggiunta di riferimento tramite il gadget DuplicateReferences (es.) = "Modificata un'asserzione"
• aggiunta di riferimento tramite il gadget UseAsRef (es.) = "Aggiunto riferimento a un'asserzione"
• aggiunta di riferimento tramite QuickStatements (es.) = "Aggiunto riferimento a un'asserzione"

Stante questa analisi, risulta che l'interfaccia di Wikidata (su cui NavalGazer) classifica precisamente come aggiunta di riferimenti soltanto i casi di uso di UseAsRef o di QuickStatements; e infatti le statistiche sull'ultimo mese mostrano fondamentalmente bot o utenti che hanno usato QuickStatements o persone che hanno usato UseAsRef. Conclusione interessante, aggiungo una nota al regolamento per chiarirlo. --Epìdosis 19:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC) P.S. Nell'ultimo mese hai fatto varie modifiche con UseAsRef, quindi ai primi di aprile quando si aggiorneranno i dati del mese di marzo quelle modifiche verranno conteggiate

Oh, mai una volta che rispondessi con superficialità. Grazie! --Horcrux (talk) 08:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussione P3987

Ciao, secondo te ha senso/si capisce scritta così? --Uomovariabile (talk) 11:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Uomovariabile: Sì, ottimo. --Epìdosis 11:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal

hi Epì, I need an opinion. Any remarks or enlightenments about:

• Wikidata:Property proposal/HaBima Archive person id
• Wikidata:Property proposal/HaBima Archive play id
• Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id
• Wikidata:Property proposal/Gesher Theater Archive person id
• Wikidata:Property proposal/Gesher Theater Archive play id
• Wikidata:Property proposal/100Y Hebrew Theatre Guide person id
• Wikidata:Property proposal/LMHL author ID
• Wikidata:Property proposal/ULI id
• Wikidata:Property proposal/INPA nature reserve id

Geagea (talk) 23:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: Thank you very much for these 9 very useful proposals! I have fixed and supported 7 of them, while I'd have two questions regarding the remaining ones:

• for Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id, I see that in all the four examples the same IDs of the proposed property are already present as values of National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189), so I think we don't need a new property, but we should simply add one more formatter URL to P8189; could you confirm?
• for Wikidata:Property proposal/ULI id, I see the proposal mentions as domain written work (Q47461344), but the first example seems about not a work, but an version, edition or translation (Q3331189); in this case, the connection between the work The Da Vinci Code (Q81689) and an edition 004432294 would be wrong; so the property proposal should be rephrased; could you have a look?

Thank you very much again! --Epìdosis 09:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I should thank you for your help .

regarding to Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id. Correct, they have the same id. I asked about it and thats what thet decided.

regarding to Wikidata:Property proposal/ULI id. I have added version, edition or translation (Q3331189). Geagea (talk) 10:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: OK, so I would propose: withdrawing Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id (usually IDs are not duplicated, both because this means a greater burden placed on storage capacity and because it increases the toil needed for maintaining two different IDs reciprocally in sync) and adding more formatter URLs to National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189); updating the examples of Wikidata:Property proposal/ULI id and removing written work (Q47461344) from the domains. --Epìdosis 10:13, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Will discuss with NLI about Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id. Geagea (talk) 10:34, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

You did not supported ULI id. You have any hesitations? Geagea (talk) 12:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: Yes, the 4 examples still associate Wikidata work items with ULI edition IDs. --Epìdosis 12:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I discussed with User:AhavaCohen about the two issues.

NLI topic. "one more formatter" is good idea. This issue is very similar to the way BnF id workin. They have two links ont to the authority and one to data page. For example Moshe ben Maimon (Q127398). Looking in it.wiki "BNF (FR) cb11916400m (data) ". One page leads to cb11916400m and one page to data page 11916400. (btw, seems that National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189) is missing there). I want the same solution to J9U and NLI topic. Any way after "one more formatter" will done I want to add the qualifier subject named as (P1810) using OpenRefine. And I'll appritiate if you can help to do so.

ULI id. Dr. Ahava described the entry as manifestation (Q286583) less than version, edition or translation (Q3331189). It's should be used as a reference for record in ULI. So i be glad if you can fix the suggestion properly. Geagea (talk) 10:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: So, I added the other formatter URLs to National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189); displaying all the three links contemporarily on Wikidata is not technically possible as of now, so the link to the authority file will continue being displayed, but displaying two or more links is of course easily doable on Wikipedias and on external websites (regarding Italian Wikipedia, I will propose adding J9U before the end of this month); adding qualifiers subject named as (P1810) to P8189 is of course welcome; I would therefore suggest withdrawing Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id. For Wikidata:Property proposal/ULI id: could you see if you agree with the new examples I set? If so, I will proceed supporting. Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I agree with the the new examples and all your chang's. Btw the topic link is only one but pages have also same page in English and Arabic. Every project can use any of the language they want. Again thank you very much for your efforts. Geagea (talk) 14:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: ULI supported. So all the proposals are OK. See you soon (still waiting for J9U dump in the meanwhile), --Epìdosis 15:15, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I see it's already in progress. Thanks. Geagea (talk) 18:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi agian. I do have a problem with the way I can add NLI topic language lebels. See Beit Guvrin (Q830798) for example. The NLI topic have 3 labels Hebrew (בית גוברין (ישראל)), English (Bet Guvrin (Israel)) and Arabic (بيت جبرين (إسرائيل)). It may have only one of the name or two or three of them. I could not think on of idea how to add them successfully to the item. Adding them as a qulifier to P8189 using subject named as (P1810) is problematic as I cant add the language lebel. Using name (P2561) may be good idea but it's limited - can't be qualifier. D you have any idea? Geagea (talk) 22:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: I would suggest title (P1476). --Epìdosis 22:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you look Beit Guvrin (Q830798). And also how I mention the fact that the qulifiers are for the "topic id" and not to original J9U. Geagea (talk) 22:21, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: So: the constraint violation should not appear in my opinion, I will report it to the development team; indicating that qualifiers pertain to the "topic ID" is actually complex or impossible because Wikidata doesn't admit "qualifiers of qualifiers", but in fact looking at http://uli.nli.org.il/F/?func=find-b&local_base=NLX10&find_code=UID&request=987007547547605171 I think that the qualifiers correctly apply also to the original J9U, so in fact I don't see the need of further specifications. Anyway, I remain available if the problem needs further reflection in your opinion. --Epìdosis 22:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC) P.S. for constraint violations, they had already been noticed in phab:T221554, where I commented

Well the J9U and NLI topic are differ as BnF id and Bnf data. The point is that the NLI topic also insist on specific naming in three languages, so it can be used ih he.wiki similar to the way BnF - for Beit Guvrin (Q830798) itwill look like: "NLI: 987007547547605171 (בית גוברין (ישראל))". So I need the language ticket tecnically. Also the National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189) includes in fact two non identicl properties and when I'm adding qualifiers to P8189 in item, there is no way to know that the qualifiers are for the NLI topic and not J9U. Geagea (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: I see. Solving the problem elegantly is very difficult because there are two conflicting needs: 1) not duplicating the same ID into two properties, in fact both J9U authority file and NLI topical term use the same ID (as the good example of Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268)) and so the only National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189) is sufficient; but 2) National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189) sums up two different uses, whose importance is valuable in both cases, and qualifiers to it can apply only to one of the uses, which is somehow difficult to indicate. My first idea is not elegant as I would like, but seems somehow effective: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q830798&type=revision&diff=1577961737&oldid=1577945261. Your opinion? We can try to see if it is satisfying enough and if we find something still better. Good night, --Epìdosis 23:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

That's look like good idea. I do have a big list in Excel file to be add with OpenRefine. Let's think about it over the night. Good night. Geagea (talk) 23:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

To apply this solution? You may have another idea? Geagea (talk) 11:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I think we can apply it. --Epìdosis 11:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What do you think about creation one more entry to P8189 in Beit Guvrin (Q830798) See also NLI topic (Q110943955). it's no mixed up with J9U id. Geagea (talk) 13:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: I don't think duplicating the value of P8189 is viable; but I have included NLI topic (Q110943955) in the reference, Q830798#P8189; this is effectively better. --Epìdosis 13:45, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

But that's the point. It's not duplication. They are two id's that have the same id number. The title (P1476) is only for the NLI topic. Not for J9U. In a matter of a fact the correct id of NLI topic is the name. I beliave that the web link is just for comfortability. Geagea (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I see, as I said above "solving the problem elegantly is very difficult because there are two conflicting needs" etc. So we probably have three options: 1) resume (un-withdraw) Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id and see if the community approves it; 2) use two values of National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189), one of them with qualifier applies to part (P518)NLI topic (Q110943955) - this would also require community discussion, I think; 3) use only one value of National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189), specifying in the reference that the titles apply only to NLI topic (Q110943955). I would prefer 3) as of now, but we can of course ask the community resuming Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id and collect more opinions pinging some WikiProject. --Epìdosis 14:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Community discussion at WD chat? I want to add 48k edits using OpenRefine. I want to do it in the best way. Geagea (talk) 14:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest reopening Wikidata:Property proposal/NLI topic id, removing the "withdrawn" status; then I will comment pinging the WikiProject Authority control and Data quality; WD:PC is a bit dispersive. --Epìdosis 14:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: J9U added now to Italian Wikipedia's authority control box: it:Categoria:Voci con codice J9U is being populated in these hours. --Epìdosis 10:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

That's wonderful. Thanks. Geagea (talk) 10:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Qustion about Wikidata:Property proposal/HaBima Archive person id. You have mentioned that the "Number of IDs in source" are 3914. Do you have an option to generate a list of them (using API maybe?). Name and id? Geagea (talk) 11:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: I obtained the number using http://archive.habima.co.il/searchresults/?actorName=&actorSelect=0 (2310) + http://archive.habima.co.il/searchresults/?creatorName=&creatorSelect=0 (1605); personally I wouldn't be able to extract a list of names + IDs, but we can ask @Bargioni: when he has time. --Epìdosis 11:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Can you look at Wikidata:Property proposal/Israeli Opera site person id. they have different link to the peoples fir Hebrew and for English. 10:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

(‎Rimosso collegamento a [itwikisource]: Donne e Uomini della Resistenza/....

Ciao Epìdosis. Ho notato solo ora che hai rimosso tutti, o quasi, i collegamenti che avevo inserito per itwikisource: Donne e Uomini della Resistenza, e dato che non sono molto esperta di Wikidata vorrei capire perché o dove ho sbagliato :-). --Bella Trovata (talk) 05:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Bellatrovata:, dunque le pagine di Wikisource "autore" (es. s:it:Autore:Aristide Calani) rappresentano la persona in sé, mentre le pagine come s:it:Donne e Uomini della Resistenza/Luigi Abbiati non rappresentano la persona in sé bensì una voce di un dizionario biografico che riguarda la persona. Quindi su Wikidata, dunque, le voci "autore" vengono connesse agli elementi delle persone, mentre per le voci dei dizionari biografici si adotta il seguente standard:

• un elemento per la voce di dizionario: Benazech, Charles (DNB00) (Q19073708), che punta alla persona tramite main subject (P921)
• un elemento per la persona: Charles Benazech (Q5075523), che punta alla voce di dizionario tramite described by source (P1343) con qualificatore statement is subject of (P805)

Esempio analogo per i partigiani è Abele Ambrosini (Q17376039) (persona) e Q110925146 (voce di dizionario). Per qualunque dubbio resto a disposizione. --Epìdosis 07:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Grazie Epìdosis per il tempo che mi hai dedicato: la tua spiegazione è molto esaustiva. Quando avrò più tempo prenderò ad esempio la voce analoga che hai citato per ricreare tutti i collegamenti per l'{{interprogetto}}. Ciao e buon proseguimento del tuo wiki lavoro :-).--Bella Trovata (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Protect a page

Hello, can you please as fast as possible protect this page Q105805736 because It is being heavily vandalized by an IP who has multiple accounts blocked globally. Kiro Bassem (talk) 21:32, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Kiro Bassem:! It seems that effectively there is an ongoing edit war around the item. However, both the versions that are being restored and reverted are totally unsourced (= no single statement has a reference). Please reference the statements of the item and then it will be possible to protect that version. Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC) P.S. Anyway, I protected for one day in order to stop the edit war.

I didn't create this Item, I was just removing a cross-wiki promotion and a long-term abuse by this user, I think you should delete this item because It is not referenced. Kiro Bassem (talk) 21:42, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

You can also delete this item Q105776253 because It is also not referenced. Kiro Bassem (talk) 21:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kiro Bassem: I agree, no clear notability; both deleted. --Epìdosis 21:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I hope you also delete these two Q111660942 and Q111660696 for the same reasons above and It's also a cross-wiki promotion. Kiro Bassem (talk) 22:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kiro Bassem: Not notable as well, deleted. Thanks, --Epìdosis 22:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Help to stop creating promotion pages

Hello, can you please as fast as possible stop these users Help901 and Kollla79 and Ahlllwq7 from creating the same useless page every second, they are useless and cross-wiki promotion and I can't stop them, please do something. Kiro Bassem (talk) 01:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kiro Bassem:  Done by @باسم:. For urgent interventions it's better to write in WD:AN than to a single admin because that page is monitored by more people (in different time zones) and so usually the interventions are faster. --Epìdosis 08:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Latino

ottima idea, non mi è chiaro per esempio che accade se io cerco su wikidata un nome che è un alias in una lingua diversa da quella mia di visualizzazione. mi è capitato per esempio con tipograf* francesi su data.bnf, normalmente prima confronto le varie fonti per vedere la forma più usata ma poi cerco di metterle tutte negli alias, in questo caso se metto ad esempio le varianti tipo veuve de, widow of, wittb., viuda de negli alias delle rispettive lingue ha un effetto diverso rispetto a farne una sfilza negli alias italiani? divudì 14:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

PS. C'è un modo più rapido di settare le etichette in altre lingue (non mostrate) che non sia ogni volta cambiare lingua dal menù in alto? Mhh, e se aggiungo lat al babel? divudì 14:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Divudi85: In barra di ricerca vedi tutte le etichette e tutti gli alias in tutte le lingue, sì; quindi ad esempio "veuve de" andrebbe preferibilmente come etichetta (o alias, se c'è già un'altra etichetta) in francese anziché come alias in italiano. Per far apparire più lingue nel proprio box delle lingue il metodo più facile è aggiungerle al proprio babel, anche con livello 0 se non le si conosce ma interessano comunque (cfr. mio babel). --Epìdosis 14:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Cartapulia

Ciao Epìdosis, chiedo a te dato che so fare poco e niente su Wikidata, come si fa a proporre un nuovo identificativo o eventualmente un nuovo catalogo da inserire in m'n'm? Ci sarebbe questo che raccoglie i beni culturali della Puglia e mi sembra molto interessante, sbucherebbero un sacco di nuovi item --Mastrocom (talk) 16:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Mastrocom:, la procedura è quella indicata in WD:PP. Nel caso specifico di https://cartapulia.it/ il sito è sicuramente di valore; ho tuttavia una perplessità, es. https://cartapulia.it/dettaglio?id=133169 presenta 133169 nell'URL ma dichiara che il "Codice Carta Beni Culturali Regione Puglia" è BABIU002618, e tuttavia non trovo un link permanente che contenga BABIU002618. Questo punto possibilmente andrebbe chiarito. --Epìdosis 16:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC) P.S. @Ferdi2005: se ti interessa questo sito potrebbe valer la pena di contattarne i gestori per chiarire questo problema dell'ID

Wp/sro in lingua campidanese

Buon giorno, Epìdosis. Mi sto occupando del progetto wiki in Campidanese, ora in 'Incubator', ma che sta procedendo a gran passi ([7] Sardu campidanesu). La situazione del Campidanese è questa: Language code lookup sro, [8]. Mi domando che cosa accadrà quando il progetto sarà fuori da Incubator e si potrà collegare ogni sua pagina e ogni sua categoria con Wikidata. Intanto, aggiungo ad ogni pagina il rispettivo collegamento a Commons. Per tua informazione, sono rimasti in Incubator i progetti Wikipedia (di area italiana) Cimbro, Emiliano, Romagnolo, Istriano, Giudeo-Italiano, Sassarese (fatta richiesta di uscire da Incubator: [9]) e Campidanese. Grazie dell'attenzione. --Fausta Samaritani (talk) 09:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Q94927001 and Q12409623

Hi Epìdosis,

Seems that Moshe Krausz (Q94927001) and Moshe Krausz (Q12409623) are the same person. The problem is that the GND ID (P227) he was died in 1956 while National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189) died in 1.9.1986 . The Israeli library mentions source and he was defanitaly was alive after 1956. Place of birth is Meződ (Q594240) which is village mear Miskolc (Q102397). Opinion. Geagea (talk) 12:21, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: Merged, clearly the same person. The source used by GND is not available anymore, but 1956 is surely wrong; @Kolja21: could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 12:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

thanks. Geagea (talk) 13:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Indeed the same person (director of the Palestine Office in Budapest). Jahresberichte für deutsche Geschichte (Q1678640) is stating "Krausz, Moshe (1908-1956)" (no typo). I've added the dates from the National Library of Israel. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Kolja21. Geagea (talk) 19:52, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

About Joseph Breuer (Q12407986). The Q12407986#P735 is incorrect in Hebrew. It should be "יוסף" like Yosef (Q29051199). I already complained about this ridiculous way of working. someone added the ticket based on the English. They have no idea that the Hebrew is not correct. There is no ticket says Joseph and יוסף so it should be created, but what when someone will add label in Chinese... Geagea (talk) 12:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: I agree that the way of auto-adding names in languages in non-Latin scripts on the basis of "en" label is a problem. I added Yosef (Q29051199). --Epìdosis 12:27, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

The point is that now the English is not ok. New ticket should be created to fix it... Geagea (talk) 12:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: Better? --Epìdosis 12:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Its looks a bit weird in Hebrew. It says "יוסף" in Hebrew and "ג'וזף" in English. My suggestion was that the labals will be only in one language. So name will shown in there language. in that case I would have "יוסף" in Hebrew and "Joseph" in English. In that case we don't need language of work or name (P407). It is better but still weird. Geagea (talk) 12:52, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: Ok, I understand and I agree. The implementation of "mul" (multilingual) labels, which is imminent, should probably solve this. Let's wait. --Epìdosis 12:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

sorry to bother you again, does this make sense? Geagea (talk) 14:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: not much, official website (P856) is sufficient there. --Epìdosis 14:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Open Jerusalem

Ciao!

Ha mai sentito parlare di quest'iniziativa? Vedo che non esiste nessuna proprietà correlata, ma forse sarebbe interessante proporne una...

Tanti auguri, Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Grazie per la segnalazione! Non conoscevo il sito http://www.openjerusalem.org/, effettivamente sembra molto interessante. Il mio dubbio principale è che, trattandosi di un sito archivistico, connetterlo a noi non è facilissimo. Allo stato attuale l'authority file (http://www.archives.openjerusalem.org/index.php/actor/browse) ha solo 68 enti e 48 persone, quindi forse conviene attendere. Buona giornata, --Epìdosis 14:40, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi! Just wanted to say thanks for the edits on the chilean museum items. I have two question, mostly because I'll continue to put more information and I don't want to repeat the same mistakes.

• The property located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) only has one value? I noticed that you deleted the other values to just have the most important one (I think). I have this question from a while because I've seen items witth one or more values.
• I've been putting private museum (Q614316) and public museum (Q111986502) as subclass, but I noticed that you put them as instance of. Can you tell me why the difference? In my head I thought it was right to put it as subclass, ups.

Again, thanks and have a good day :-) --Soylacarli (talk) 17:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

@Soylacarli: Thanks for your import, of course! Yes, located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) should report only the most precise administrative unit (e.g. the commune, not the province and the region), although it is sometimes used imprecisely; private museum (Q614316) and public museum (Q111986502) should always go into instance of (P31) because we are talking of single museums, not of types of museums (see Help:Basic membership properties for detailed explanation). I will fix all your edits in a few minutes, at least for P279; I may leave some P131 to you ;-) Write me if you have any doubts, of course. --Epìdosis 18:01, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation! I'll see the Help page you mention :-). I'll continue to import more data and I'll fix the ones that are already here :-) Best, Soylacarli (talk) 19:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

API

hello again Epì,

The National Library of Israel created NLI API's with international standards for open data. Iwonder if you know how to the reconciliation service test bench. That it can be used in OpenRefine. Geagea (talk) 11:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Geagea:! Unfortunately I'm not sure I understand the question and I don't think I have the answer, since I've never used personally OpenRefine :( --Epìdosis 13:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Part of the process of using OpenRefine is reconciliation. normally the reconciliation is to WD. But there is an option to use API and make reconciliation with VIAF for example. As the NLI created NLI API's with international standards for open data. It seems that reconciliation can be with NLI. Anyway thanks. Geagea (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Pozvánka na česko-slovenský Wikimedia Hackathon 2022

Srdečně Vás zveme na český a slovenský Wikimedia Hackathon 2022, který se bude konat 21.5. od 9:00 do 16:00 hybridně - paralelně online (na tomto odkazu) a paralelně offline (na adrese Slovenská 1705/21 v Praze 2 v sídle spolku Wikimedia Česká republika, který akci pořádá). Letošní hackathon bude věnovaný slovenským wikidatům a budování slovenské Wikidata komunity. Celý Hackathon bude v českém a slovenském jazyce. Více o programu Hackathonu se dozvíte na tomto odkazu nebo na FB události. Těšíme se na Vás! S pozdravem, --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) & Eva Vele (WMCZ) (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

We cordially invite you to the Czech and Slovak Wikimedia Hackathon 2022, which will take place on 21 May from 9:00 - 16:00 in a hybrid way - parallel online (at this link) and parallel offline: at Slovenská 1705/21 in Prague 2 at the headquarters of the Wikimedia Czech Republic, which organizes the event. This year's hackathon will be dedicated to Slovak Wikidata and building the Slovak Wikidata community. More information about the Hackathon program can be found at this link or on the FB event. The whole Hackathon will be in Czech and Slovak language only. We look forward to seeing you there! Best regards, --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) & Eva Vele (WMCZ) (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Data di nascita e di morte

Ciao, Epìdiosis. Ti volevo segnalare che l'utente Jmax sta eliminando gli estremi anagrafici tra parentesi in varie descrizioni di umani (in inglese, francese, tedesco e anche italiano) perché secondo lui sono fuori standard. Potresti intervenire che io non riesco a ritrovare le discussioni? :)--Alienautic (talk) 18:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Alienautic:! La questione generale resta dibattuta: di fatto la discussione più importante e recente a me nota, Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2021/12#Should_the_description_of_a_person_include_year_of_birth_and_death,_if_applicable?, ha avuto esito aporetico; quella più piccola che avevo avviato al bar italiano, Wikidata:Bar/Archive/2021/11#Descrizioni_in_italiano_per_elementi_di_persone, invece, si era conclusa con esito positivo all'aggiunta delle date (anche in assenza di ambiguità). La possibilità di autogenerare le descrizioni degli umani (ovviamente anche di altri tipi di elementi) in relazione a occupazione/i + cittadinanza/e + date di nascita e morte potrebbe dare un'ulteriore svolta al problema, o perlomeno invitare le diverse comunità linguistiche di Wikidata a prendere decisioni chiare; tuttavia, penso che non vedremo qualcosa del genere prima di due-tre anni da adesso. Lo status quo mi pare sia: consenso generale (anche di Jmax) che è meglio lasciare le date in caso di omonimi; consenso sul lasciare le date in italiano; dissenso sul resto. --Epìdosis 18:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Quindi come ti comporti quando un utente ti modifica le descrizioni eliminando le date che avevi inserito? Perché noto che continui a inserirle nelle descrizioni en, quindi sarà capitato anche a te. È un gran peccato che non ci sia coordinazione :(--Alienautic (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Anche in tedesco mi era parso ci fosse ultimamente una tendenza a inserirle (col trattino lungo, però). Grazie!--Alienautic (talk) 18:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Alienautic: Personalmente, non essendoci coordinazione (e concordo sia un peccato), lascio correre in inglese, mentre tendo ad annullare in italiano. --Epìdosis 07:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Ti scoccia se ti taggo nella discussione? Secondo l'utente Jmax nemmeno la discussione tra gli utenti italiani per le descrizioni it è valida, perché è solo una discussione. Tu hai seguito la vicenda dall'inizio e sai sicuaramente argomentare meglio. Ma se non ti va di essere coinvolto lascio perdere. :)--Alienautic (talk) 17:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Alienautic: Taggami pure, visto che avevo iniziato io quella discussione. --Epìdosis 19:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Merge request

Hello.

Can you merge the Wikidata page of Teymur Hajiyev (Q99161022) with the Wikidata page of Teymur Hajiyev (Q95911810)? They are about the same filmmaker.

Yours sincerely, 31.200.13.53 23:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Of course,  Done. --Epìdosis 07:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Double first names

Hi Epìdosis,

do you really think Maria Italia (Q112120254) shall not be represented by Maria (Q325872) and Italia (Q510613)?--Rabattmarkenverein (talk) 13:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Rabattmarkenverein:! I think that Italian composed names made out of Maria (Q325872) + second name usually deserve an item; however, while it is evident for more common ones (e.g. Maria Annunziata (Q3847124)), I agree it may be questionable for rarer ones like this. It could be worth discussing it in Wikidata talk:WikiProject Names in order to establish clearer guidelines for instance of (P31)double given name (Q1243157) in general. --Epìdosis 13:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Editing items for mechanical engineering faculty

I noticed that you have been removing the value "researcher" from the property "occupation" from items that we created at my institution for mechanical engineering faculty from Texas A&M University. I am trying to understand the rationale for these changes. Would you mind explaining why you felt this change was necessary?

The definition of "researcher" is "person who engages in research, professionally or otherwise" and it is a subclass of academic professional. All of the professors whose items where this was removed conduct research in a university setting. So I'm not sure why it was perceived as inappropriate.

Some examples of items changed are: Q106645153, Q104104661 and Q111525548.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeannette Ho (talk • contribs).

Hi @Jeannette Ho:! I removed (not-referenced) occupation (P106)researcher (Q1650915) in these items mainly because, since these persons are also occupation (P106)university teacher (Q1622272) and university teacher (Q1622272) is a recursive subclass of (P279) of researcher (Q1650915) (as this graph shows), the second is in fact redundant because all university professors are also researchers; it is the same as marking an item both as occupation (P106)chemist (Q593644) and occupation (P106)scientist (Q901), the second one is clearly redundant. Moreover, on Wikidata the use of the quite generic occupation (P106)researcher (Q1650915) is very much inflated (according to this query, it is the most frequent occupation on Wikidata with more than 1.76 M occurrences) and I think we should start reducing it through substitution with more specific values, such as the aforementioned occupation (P106)university teacher (Q1622272). --Epìdosis 16:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC) P.S. I also ping @Dirac:, who reverted some of my changes asking for clarifications

I was wondering about the same related to this wikidata-entry Benoît Lamarche (Q55723659) ? Since this man also have this profile at www.researchgate.net. Best regards Migrant (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Migrant: The issue is the same: researcher is redundant when coupled to university professor. --Epìdosis 20:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay, will follow what happens... I'm more a speed skating related content contributor, so will watch it from the sideline. I was just trying to copy from other items with similarly ID's. Best regards Migrant (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

No siempre un profesor universitario es investigador depende del país. Y además puede ser profesor universitario en un sitio e investigador en otro. ¿Cómo se resuelve? Saludos. Madamebiblio (talk) 23:07, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Madamebiblio: I think that in principle university teacher (Q1622272) is a subtype of researcher (Q1650915) everywhere; of course it should be taken into account that researcher (Q1650915) is more general than research fellow (Q1706722), which maybe you are intending (and effectively research fellow (Q1706722) is not a subtype of researcher (Q1650915)). Of course there is also another solution: referencing occupation (P106)researcher (Q1650915), since I am never removing it when referenced. --Epìdosis 07:23, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Occupation researcher deleted

Hi Epìdosis. I have seen that you have deleted occupation researcher from the wd entry Josep Maria Nadal i Farreras (Q11928731). I may not disagree, but I would like to know the reason of such a deletion. This person is an actual researcher. Thank you! Quelet (talk) 11:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Quelet:! You can see my reasons in the paragraph just above, #Editing items for mechanical engineering faculty. --Epìdosis 12:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Academy of Athens people

Ciao Epìdosis! Per caso, tu o @Bargioni: havette un conttato con i bibliotecari dell'Academy of Athens? Mi sono accorto di un errore su questa notizia che mette sotte il stesso nome un'opera di Dexippus (Q363468) e un altra di Dexippus (philosopher) (Q369129) e avrei voluto farla corregere prima di legarla. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:08, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban: Purtroppo finora no, ma cerchiamo di ritentare; intanto puoi marcarlo N/A in MnM. --Epìdosis 08:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Mix'n'match

Hello Epì

I proposed a new property Wikidata:Property proposal/HeHaCham HaYomi id and it was created - HeHaCham HaYomi ID (P10776). I have a list of 999 persons in an Excel file. I saw that you have imported J9U organizations to Mix'n'match. How can I import the file to Mix'n'match? Geagea (talk) 09:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Geagea:. If you have a file ready, you can follow these instructions. Of course I am available if you have any doubts! --Epìdosis 12:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

See the file. what should be the column name for 'label' ? Geagea (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Hebrew label. Geagea (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: name. --Epìdosis 12:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Well, I updated the "name: but see no next step. Geagea (talk) 13:08, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: I see. So the columns should be: id containing the ID (it should not be called P10776); name containing a label in a given language (e.g. Hebrew); I don't fully understand P1810, if it is the label in Latin script you can name it desc in order to have the Latin label as description; born instead of P569; died instead of P570. This should work, I think. --Epìdosis 13:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

I saw the test butten (ID). P1810 should be qualifier in Hebrew. Geagea (talk) 13:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: OK. Mix'n'match doesn't manage qualifiers as of now, so using P1810 is in fact vane; I suggest substituting it with desc. --Epìdosis 13:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

look like it was done. I suppose it will take time. Geagea (talk) 13:30, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

It's still working. How long it should take (999 lines)? Geagea (talk) 19:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: If it's still working now, it means it failed. You can send me via mail the file and I can have a look at it. --Epìdosis 06:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@ Geagea (talk) 07:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

[[10]] - Thanks. what was the problem? Geagea (talk) 12:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: Probably description instead of the correct desc. --Epìdosis 12:11, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

well tried to update the file but still not working. it's something else, but don't know what. Geagea (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Epì for all your help. I still have some points:

a. I managed in some point to update HeHaCham HaYomi (5224), but the get the bad result with the description in Hebrew '?????'. I suppose that you or someone else uploaded it in the correct way. How can I upload catalog with properly Hebrew description?

b. When I'm looking at the catalog list, I can't see the label in Hebrew. So if there is no label in English I get only the 'Q'. even though my default language is Hebrew. I think it is a larger problem. When I'm searching in Mix'n'match search with Hebrew, I'm not getting results. Where I should report it?

again, many thanks for your efforts. Geagea (talk) 10:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: The ??? for Hebrew script are strange, both because they affect only descriptions not labels and because effectively the problem doesn't affect other catalogs, e.g. J9U places I uploaded (example); anyway, now it seems that also the catalog 5224 is ok and ??? disappeared (example). Problems regarding Mix'n'match (problems with non-Latin scripts are not new, as far as I remember; the problem of not seeing labels not in English is recent but I can confirm it) should be reported to User talk:Magnus Manske; anyway, their solution will probably happen in the medium-long term. --Epìdosis 11:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding to J9U. I created new some tickets from Mix'n'match and the Hebrew script comes to the label in English, not to the label in Hebrew. see entry 133455034 Any way my qustion is - did you made some change the correct the '???' (font maybe) ?

Also 5224 says that 348 are fully mached, but only 98 items are in the list. example this fully mached but P10776 does not added to Q55651388. Geagea (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

What's happend her? Geagea (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: In fact no, I didn't do nothing particular to fix ???. Regarding the discrepance between fully matched and IDs in Wikidata, this is perfectly normal: full matches made on the bases of birth-death years are not automatically added to Wikidata, but this can be done through https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/sync/5224 (now I did it); https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/5242 is still to be uploaded, it will processed in a few hours (and we will discover if it works or not). --Epìdosis 12:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank very much. Geagea (talk) 12:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Last question. How I can add 5224 to category? Geagea (talk) 12:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: I don't know exactly. --Epìdosis 13:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Affiliation constraint

Why add the constraint that requires affiliation (P1416) for use only as main value? I would argue the qualifier is useful. It might merit a discussion before such a change. Trilotat (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@Trilotat: thanks for noticing! The absence of property scope constraint (Q53869507) was a constraint violation, so I quickly tried to remedy; I had never seen affiliation (P1416) used as qualifiers, but it results that it's a qualifier about 20k times, so of course it is an established use; I have thus added "as qualifier" among correct uses. Best, --Epìdosis 15:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and adding "as qualifier" among correct uses. Cheers, Trilotat (talk) 15:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

International Museum Day Wikidata Competition 2022 for Austria – CONGRATULATIONS!

This person won the
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You are one of the three winners of the Austria category of the International Museum Day Wikidata Competition 2022 – congratulations and thank you for your valuable contribution to free knowledge! You can find all results and winners here: Wikidata:Events/International Museum Day 2022/Results. Wewill contact you in the near future so you can collect your prize. If you like to, you can use the template {{User IMD 22+}} on your user page. --Raimund Liebert (WMAT) (talk) 17:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC) on behalf of Wikimedia Austria

@Raimund Liebert (WMAT): Thank you very much! Could you check if in the page the results for France, Germany and Malta are missing? Good evening, --Epìdosis 17:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I was little bit too early while my colleague was still finalizing the results pages. :-) Should be complete in a few minutes. --Raimund Liebert (WMAT) (talk) 17:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

International Museum Day Wikidata Competition 2022 for Sweden – CONGRATULATIONS!

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International Museum Day Wikidata Competition 2022 for Malta – CONGRATULATIONS!

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Merge

Hi Epidosis,

Can you delete this item then merge with original item. Best regards.--88.254.2.113 13:54, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done --Epìdosis 14:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

More veneto

Come si fa ad annotare che alcune date (nascita/morte) fanno riferimento al more veneto?--Zanekost (talk) 20:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost: Innanzitutto serve un elemento che riguardi il more veneto, direi; in secondo luogo, mi dai uno o due esempi di dove sarebbe necessario applicare l'indicazione, così ci rifletto meglio? Buona notte, --Epìdosis 22:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Allora se si gaurda Giovanni Battista Piazzetta si nota che sono indicate 2 date di nascita. Non si tratta di ipotesi diverse, il giorno è sempre lo stesso, ma evidentemente la seconda (1682) è basata su una errata trascrizione: a Venezia l'anno iniziava a marzo.--Zanekost (talk) 03:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost: OK. Mi pare che usare sourcing circumstances (P1480) sia la soluzione più lineare, ho modificato l'istanza di more Veneto per evitare violazione di vincolo. --Epìdosis 07:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

OK! Grazie! Vedo però che l'avviso persiste… Zanekost (talk) 16:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost: avevo letto in fretta il tipo di vincolo violato, ora dovrebbe essere OK. --Epìdosis 16:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

OK! Zanekost (talk) 17:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

International Museum Day Wikidata Competition 2022 for Chile – CONGRATULATIONS!

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Congratulazioni! :-)

This person won the
International Museum Day 2022 Wikidata Competition.

Ciao Epìdosis! Sono felice di comunicarti che sei uno dei tre vincitori della cartegoria italiana della Wikidata competition per la Giornata Internazionale dei musei 2022! Trovi tutti i risultati qui: Wikidata:Events/International Museum Day 2022/Results. A breve ti ricontatteremo via mail per il premio. Se vuoi puoi utilizzare il template {{User IMD 22+}} sulla tua pagina utente! Ancora congratualzioni e grazie per il tuo contributo in favore della conoscena libera! --Marta Arosio (WMIT) (talk) 11:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC) per Wikimedia Italia

Help on Marguerite Eynard-Mercier (Q95740837) please

Hello,

The VIAF id you added on Marguerite Eynard-Mercier (Q95740837) is a mixup of at least 2 different persons : one is a painter... and one is the author of law books about accidents (see https://www.idref.fr/169604721 for example)...

I don't know if the mixup was done before or after you added the ID on Marguerite Eynard-Mercier (Q95740837), and I do not know how to notify VIAF, especially since I cannot tell for some IDs to what "works" they are linked in their DB.

as a fact, I am almost certain that except for the WD/WPK id, the viaf is NOT about the painter... ; and I do not know whether it was your intent to create an item about the painter, or if some other contributors thought she was the same person because of the name, and thus provoked a mixup on Viaf

In French, both "Mercier" is a very common name in France..., and Marguerite was quite frequent in the beginning of 20th century... the homonymy is reslly problematic...

Could you please help me untangle this, here and on Viaf ? Hsarrazin (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hsarrazin: So, Marguerite Eynard-Mercier (Q95740837) was originally created from GND having very few information about the person; the VIAF I added on the basis of GND effectively seems to conflates different persons (it is a problem in VIAF clusterization, not in its contributors); after my edits the item was substantially repurposed to represent the painter, who is not represented in VIAF. Given all that, I removed VIAF and all VIAF contributor IDs from Wikidata item instead of deprecating them (both solutions have pros and cons: deprecating makes it difficult readding the values, but it may happen that clusterization algorythms don't consider deprecation and so treat the IDs as not deprecated; viceversa removal of the IDs makes it possible readding them, but makes impossible for algorythms treating the removed IDs as not deprecated; I tend to prefer the second risk instead of the first) and now the item of the painter is clear. I think we don't have enough information to create items regarding one or more homonym "Marguerite Mercier". For reporting to VIAF that Wikidata needs to be removed from the cluster you can use the link at the end of the page, "Send us a comment." (bibchange@oclc.org), although I am a bit skeptic it will have some effect (I hope to be wrong, of course). For any question I am here, of course. Good evening, --Epìdosis 18:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :)

I did notify VIAF of the conflation and asked them to remove the WKP id from the cluster, which seems otherwise quite coherent (considering the linked works) Hsarrazin (talk) 19:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Trasportato su tela

Ciao, non trovo la definizione per indicare questa tecnica di restauro. Non è stata infrequente, almeno in Italia e Francia, per realizzare un supporto più piano e omogeneo in sostituzione delle tavole originali. Mi pare piuttosto strano, visto che era destinato ad opere di un certo pregio… Sono un po' incerto su come definire la eventuale nuova voce.--Zanekost (talk) 19:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost: sì, suggerirei di creare un nuovo elemento. Non sembra esistere. --Epìdosis 22:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Robert Harper, CMU

Hi Epidosis,

I can't find a difference between Robert Harper (Q64020476) and Robert Harper (Q7345273). May you please take a look?--Digital Grammars (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Digital Grammars: Yes, I was probably confused by the duplication in Library of Congress authority ID (P244) ... but they are the same person. Thanks, --Epìdosis 08:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

International Museum Day Wikidata Competition 2022 for Armenia, Serbia and Switzerland – CONGRATULATIONS!

This person won the
International Museum Day 2022 Wikidata Competition.

And … you are also one of the three winners of following categories of the International Museum Day Wikidata Competition 2022 (prize donors in brackets): Armenia (Volunteer Supporters Network), Serbia (Volunteer Supporters Network) and Switzerland (Wikimedia CH). The prize donors will contact you directly – congratulations! :-) --Raimund Liebert (WMAT) (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Also from WMCH the warmest congratulations on this award. Lantus (WMCH) (talk) 17:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@Lantus (WMCH): I answered your email. Let me know if you need any further information for the prize. Thanks, --Epìdosis 15:39, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Request

Hello.

I cannot add the Minangkabau article about the Azerbaijani capital min:Baku in the Wikidata page of Baku (Q9248), because only registered users are allowed to add and edit on that page. Can you add it?

Thank you in advance, 31.200.13.212 15:23, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done. --Epìdosis 15:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. 31.200.13.212 15:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Richiesta pulizia

Ciao Epidosis, scusami se ti disturbo ma volevo chiederti se ti è possibile oscurare una modifica decisamente improponibile, assieme al relativo campo oggetto, di questo elemento. Ti ringrazio in anticipo. Pazio Paz (talk) 13:36, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Pazio Paz:  Done. --Epìdosis 16:42, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Grazie mille, ti auguro un buon proseguimento. Pazio Paz (talk) 20:44, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Enciclopedia d'Arte Italiana

Ciao, vorrei associare alla voce già esistente di Enciclopedia d'arte italiana (Q106288385) nota come enciclopedia, correggendo l'intestazione con quella reale della pagia su wikipedia italia, Enciclopedia d'Arte Italiana, Catalogo Generale Artisti dal Novecento ad oggi, perchè al suo interno c'è anche una versione in lingua cinese che è stata approvata in precedenza. Sempre sulla stessa collana di volumi, c'è una versione Enciclopedia d'Arte Italiana (Q105965383) presentata credo sbagliando come istituzione culturale italiana, ma in ogni caso si tratta sempre della stessa istituzione italiana che pubblica un volume di settore e ormai diffuso e noto. La pagina non mi permette di fare modifiche, come posso fare? Grazie. --Maxxinelli01 (talk) 12:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Ciao @Maxxinelli01:, ho aggiunto il sitelink a itwiki in Enciclopedia d'arte italiana (Q106288385), elemento relativo all'enciclopedia; l'altro elemento, Enciclopedia d'Arte Italiana (Q105965383), è relativo all'istituzione che pubblica l'enciclopedia, che è un'entità distinta dall'enciclopedia medesima (così come Institute of the Italian Encyclopaedia (Q3803714) è distinto da Enciclopedia Treccani (Q731361)), e quindi non va unito; le pagine di de.wiki e simple.wiki si definiscono come relative all'istituzione e non all'enciclopedia medesima, di cui pure parlano, e quindi sono collegate al secondo elemento. Entrambi gli elementi sono semiprotetti appunto per evitare (come già in passato è capitato) che vengano erroneamente uniti. Per qualunque dubbio resto a disposizione. Buon wiki, --Epìdosis 13:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

LAP959

Hi Epidosis. Could you have a look at the news articles created by the user LAP959, and the properties he is using? I think he doesn't understand very well what WD is. Tried to give him some hints unsucesfully. Thanks. Gerwoman (talk) 15:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Thor: Love and Thunder

Ciao, c'è un problema con questo IP, che continua a vandalizzare, lo puoi bloccare? Grazie--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 09:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Luke Stark 96:  Done 24 ore. --Epìdosis 10:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Grazie, se dovesse tornare (o con questo IP o con un altro) nel caso ti avviso, buona continuazione--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 11:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Property proposal to make data roundtripping easier

fyi, someone made a suggestion in the Etherpad that I believe is worth considering: We could propose only one property that leads to an 'error reporting' wiki page dedicated to the respective institution. All contact info and their preferred process could go there, maybe even the errors themselves (similar to e.g. w:de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung. Cheers! --Manuel (WMDE) (talk) 12:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Manuel Merz (WMDE): Thanks, I indicated it among the options in Wikidata:Property proposal/Error-report URL or e-mail (just created). --Epìdosis 12:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lea Lacroix (WMDE), Manuel Merz (WMDE): Done also Wikidata:Data round-tripping, further enlargeable of course. When you paste somewhere the Etherpad notes of the follow-up, if you create a page different from Wikidata:Events/Data Quality Days 2022/Conversation1, you can link it from Wikidata:Data round-tripping. Thanks again also for the Phab ticket! --Epìdosis 13:04, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Re

Grazie Epidosìs, lo terrò a mente -- Mastrocom (talk) 06:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

RE: Pagina del progetto Empowering Italian GLAM

Ciao! Grazie per avermi scritto. Benissimo, faccio la modifica. Una cosa: all'inizio del lavoro avrei voluto condividere sulla vostra mailing list il progetto ma ho provato a iscrivermi e non mi arriva nulla e nemmeno riesco ad inviare... Ho sbagliato qualcosa? Mi piacerebbe partecipare al progetto. Benissimo per gli incontri di settembre; organizzate nulla per itWikiCon? Grazie e buon pomeriggio! Adert (WMIT) (talk) 10:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Grazie! Ho provato a rimandare il subscribe, se non vedo nulla ti scrivo. Per settembre entro qualche giorno dovrei sapere quando sono disponibile (sarò via per 4-5 giorni, non so ancora quando). Bella l'iniziativa del 28, magari vengo a trovarti a Pisa! Buon fine settimana --Adert (talk) 08:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

IP dei paesi di produzione

Ciao, già in passato ti avevo parlato di questo problema, che ora si ripresenta qui, dove IP che iniziano con "2601:" e "2806:" (che è lo stesso range dell'altra volta) continuano da tempo a inserire paesi di produzione a caso, ma essendo un film Marvel, il paese di produzione sono solo gli USA--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 16:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Luke Stark 96: Vedo. Ho aggiunto fonte a country of origin (P495)United States of America (Q30) e ho protetto per 6 mesi. Segnalami pure altri casi, ovviamente. Grazie, --Epìdosis 17:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Grazie mille, buona continuazione :)--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

NLI-topic

Hello Epì,

Just an issue with NLI-topic that you have added to the Italian wikipedia. First I want to thank you for your effort. The point is that not all the J9U have a topic page. As a matter of fact most of them have only J9U link but not topic page. I was waiting to the result of this discussion to add the items that have the topic page but the dicussion not ended yet. The point is that it's causing problems to NLI site, so I think that first step to remove the topic meanwhile. And the second step I need an idea about a statement that I can add that states that this item have a topic page. Sorry for the trouble. Geagea (talk) 09:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: No problem, I have removed the links to "topic" pages (they will disappear in a few hours). Let's wait for a conclusion in the discussion about the topic property. I take this opportunity to thank you for the great work you are doing in adding J9U IDs on the basis of LC! --Epìdosis 12:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Rückgängigmachen von Diskussionslöschungen

Deutsch: Nachdem heute meine Sperre für den Wikidata-, Wikidata-Talk- und Benutzernamensraum aufgehoben wurde, bitte ich dich darum, dass du die von dir gelöschten Diskussionsseiten mit Bearbeitungswünschen von mir wieder herstellst. Denn deine Löschbegründung ist nicht mehr zutreffend. Ich habe die gleichen Rechte und Pflichten wie Nutzer, die Bearbeitungen an Datenobjekten, Lexemen und Eigenschaften vornehmen dürften. In der Folge findest du auch eine Auflistung aller von dir gelöschten Diskussionsseiten.

English: Today after my ban on the Wikidata, Wikidata Talk, and username rooms was lifted, I'm asking you to restore the talk pages you deleted with edit requests from me. Because your reason for deletion is no longer correct. I have the same rights and obligations as users who are allowed to edit data objects, lexemes and properties. Below you will also find a list of all the discussion pages you have deleted. (PS: The official version of the message is in German)

• Talk:Q37158
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• Talk:Q27479608
• Talk:Q32005760
• Talk:Q56071439
• Talk:Q65561238
• Talk:Q65606674
• Talk:Q81845204
• Talk:Q111009765
• Talk:Q111012403
• Talk:Q111019572

Mir freundlichen Grüßen --Gymnicus (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gymnicus:  Done. Best, --Epìdosis 20:30, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Date e date di accesso

Ciao, avrei una domanda: io pensavo che, come su it.wiki, anche qui fosse importante inserire le date e le date di accesso di fonti e altro, ma questo utente le sta rimuovendo, in tantissime pagine, è corretto? Secondo me no, altrimenti non si capisce a quando è riferito il dato (l'incasso) e quando è stata consultata la fonte--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Luke Stark 96: Dunque, la pratica tipica per molti dati variabili nel corso del tempo (es. follower su Twitter, popolazione di una città ecc.) è qualificare con point in time (P585) e inserire i vari valori in successione, marcando con rank preferito quello più recente; tuttavia, ho guardato il progetto competente (Wikidata:WikiProject Movies) e i "sample items" riportano qualcosa di più simile a ciò che sta facendo questo utente, cioè per la proprietà box office (P2142) un solo valore per ogni stato, più il valore mondiale, massimamente aggiornato. Ho quindi due suggerimenti: chiedere all'utente di usare retrieved (P813) nei riferimenti (che dovrebbe essere sempre presente quando il riferimento è una pagina web); aprire una discussione in Property talk:P2142 usando {{ping project|Movies}} per chiedere se l'uso migliore della proprietà è quello in Q192724#P2142 o qualcosa di più simile a Q83065#P1082. --Epìdosis 07:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Non essendo un campione con l'inglese, per ora ho aggiornato il dato reinserendo solo il "consultato il", se dovesse rimuoverlo di nuovo proverò a spiegargli che è importante che ci sia--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 10:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Russian properties

Hello. I have an important request for you to create Wikidata properties related to Russia and post-Soviet countries:

1. Wikidata:Property proposal/All-Russian Sambo Federation ID
2. Wikidata:Property proposal/All-Russian Swimming Federation ID
3. Wikidata:Property proposal/Artistic Gymnastics Federation of Russia ID
4. Wikidata:Property proposal/Bobsleigh Federation of Russia ID
5. Wikidata:Property proposal/Bolshoi Theatre person ID
6. Wikidata:Property proposal/elibrary.ru journal ID
7. Wikidata:Property proposal/elibrary.ru publisher ID
8. Wikidata:Property proposal/Federation Council reference ID
9. Wikidata:Property proposal/Handball Federation of Russia ID
10. Wikidata:Property proposal/Livelib.ru publisher ID
11. Wikidata:Property proposal/Millattashlar ID
12. Wikidata:Property proposal/National Olympic Committee of Azerbaijan ID
13. Wikidata:Property proposal/Odnoklassniki group numeric ID
14. Wikidata:Property proposal/Russian Football Union player ID
15. Wikidata:Property proposal/Russian Luge Federation ID
16. Wikidata:Property proposal/Russian Paralympic Committee athlete ID
17. Wikidata:Property proposal/Russian Volleyball Federation ID
18. Wikidata:Property proposal/Stan Radar dossier ID

Could you answer this question, since the queue is growing, and the rate of creation of new ones has decreased significantly since spring? MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 16:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MasterRus21thCentury:, thanks for contacting me, but I rarely create properties, especially for languages I don't speak. I will try to have a look at some of these proposals in the next days, but I suggest you to add your request in Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard#Creation of properties; probably, with a public of some tens of admins, their creation will be quicker. Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Italian(s)

Hello, I received a suggestion from a librarian that Moses ibn Tibbon (Q181498) and Samuel ben Moses ibn Tibbon (Q21587527) are one and the same. However, both have an itwiki sitelink. Would you mind checking it? Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 06:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Vojtěch Dostál: Hi, thanks for reporting! Check done: I was fortunately able to find the public domain source used (https://www.persee.fr/doc/rjuiv_0484-8616_1886_num_12_23_3450) and I confirm they are two distinct persons; the second, very much less known than the first, is the son of the first (I added the genealogical relation). Don't mind sending me other cases related to Italian in some way. Bye, --Epìdosis 07:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Epìdosis Thank you, that's great! Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 12:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Q113589749

Creato l'elemento ma l'istanza quasi sicuramente non va bene, "tipo di biblioteca" è usato per altro mi sembra. Oggi importo le restanti e creo quelle ancora mancanti così chiudiamo il capitolo Poli. divudì 09:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Divudi85: ho provato a modificare; ottimo lavoro! --Epìdosis 10:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

"biblioteche" con identificativo ICCD - scheda S

ciao camillo, mi ero appuntato questa query https://w.wiki/5cmk per tirare fuori gli elementi che avevano la proprietà in oggetto che è decisamente incongrua con P31:biblioteca. il valore porta alla scheda di un documento sull'ICCD, forse la biblioteca è l'ente conservatore, forse è argomento del documento, boh! di sicuro non vanno bene così come sono. quelle con 6 statements credo siano proprio da cancellare, quelle più ricche forse è sufficiente cancellare la proprietà? fammi sap. bye divudì 16:34, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Divudi85: Ottima lista di lavoro. Ho aggiunto (https://w.wiki/5cnS) l'optional ISIL (P791), ovviamente quelle con ISIL vanno tenute magari pulendo un po'; ho fatto varie unioni e ho tolto alcune instance of (P31) discutibili; ho cancellato un solo elemento, veramente non chiaro; resta poco, in particolare: Museo Renzi (Q35973226) e Q55139945 e Q55139943 propongo di districare museo e biblioteca; Q55086525 pare esistere ma online trovo assai poco, sono in dubbio se cancellare. --Epìdosis 19:07, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Divudi85: Serve anche un occhio a questa query (https://w.wiki/5cnh), forse (ma non ne sono sicuro) si può fare un merge massivo ma non escludo che sia meglio procedere a mano, alla fin fine solo 100 casi (più un'altra quarantina se estendi fuori dall'Italia). Problemi legati all'import del Archives Portal Europe ID (P7764) ... :( --Epìdosis 19:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

viaf:36176799

Hi, viaf:36176799 is a confluence of Miklós Rékai (Q113351047) and Miklós Rékai (Q113562048). I've already contacted them about it. Please, just trust that we sorted the other IDs properly, and do not destroy our work. :) Hopefully, VIAF will follow suit soon. Thanks, Máté (talk) 04:14, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

@Máté: OK, thanks. I just deprecate the cluster as conflated. Hopefully they will solve it soon. Best, --Epìdosis 07:54, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Spostamenti

Ciao, l'opzione "sposta" esiste solo per i collegamenti a Wikipedia o è possibile spostare anche le proprietà e gli indentificativi quando sono stati inseriti per sbaglio in un elemento anziché in un altro? Se sì, come? Grazie! Spinoziano (talk) 10:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@Spinoziano: sì, col gadget "moveClaim" attivabile in Preferenze > Accessori; in generale, ti consiglio di attivare tutti questi. A presto, --Epìdosis 10:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

WorldCat Identities ID (superseded) (P7859)

Ciao! Qual è il motivo di questa rimozione? Horcrux (talk) 08:31, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@Horcrux: WorldCat Identities assemblea le opere scritte da un autore sulla base del cluster VIAF dell'autore, ogni WorldCat Identities ID (superseded) (P7859) deriva da un VIAF ID (P214); se il P214 è conflato, come nel caso di quell'elemento, anche P7859 è conflato di conseguenza (infatti contiene sia opere dell'informatico sia opere di un omonimo); mentre ha senso mantenere nell'elemento P214 deprecata per evitare che venga reinserita, è pressoché impossibile che P7859 venga reinserita (nessuno, né umano né bot, la dovrebbe reimportare da un VIAF deprecato), quindi la soluzione più economica è toglierla del tutto. --Epìdosis 11:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Capisco. Grazie! --Horcrux (talk) 12:42, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Patrice Brun

Ciao! UFIV084187 è molto confuso, perchè ci sono in realta due Patrice Brun: il primo è archeologo, nato nel 1951, il secondo storico, nato nel 1953. Dal primo sono:

• Princes et princesses de la Celtique
• La civilisation des Champs d'Urnes
• Vix et les éphèmères principautés celtiques
• Frontieres d'empire : nature et signification des frontieres romaines
• Le temps long du peuplement : concepts et mots-clés
• L'archéologie préventive post-Grands Travaux
• 1000 ans avant J.-C. en Europe barbare

Ho visto la stessa confusione su SHARE, pero a questo sito non hai accesso, giusto? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 05:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban:  Done risolto SBN, è sempre un piacere sistemare queste conflazioni (per autori stranieri sono anche più frequenti che per gli italiani); ovviamente si vedrà entro un mese da adesso. Per SHARE non c'è nulla da fare; in questi casi rimuovo e marco N/A in Mix'n'match. Grazie mille, --Epìdosis 07:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Grazie! Un problema simile su MILV082558: la maggior parte dei documenti sono di Hervé Duchêne (Q113764425), che ho collegato, pero Paul ou l'impossible unité è invece di Hervé Duchêne (Q113764652). --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 09:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban: Caso davvero difficile, considerando anche la presenza del terzo omonimo, l'autore di guide.  Done! --Epìdosis 10:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

John the Evangelist

Hi Epì,

I tried to arrange the items John the Evangelist (Q328804), John the Apostle (Q44015) and disciple whom Jesus loved (Q1564479). 40648922, 63105089 and 101370748, but not successfully. Can you help Geagea (talk) 08:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: The problem is that all libraries have just one authority record for John the Evangelist (Q328804) and John the Apostle (Q44015); this is the reason because of which I had not touched the case; now I have adopted the solution of moving everything to John the Evangelist (Q328804), which seems effective; disciple whom Jesus loved (Q1564479) is perfectly ok. --Epìdosis 10:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

The point is that 987007429536405171 is about "יוחנן בן זבדי" which is exactly the articles name in he.wiki. Geagea (talk) 10:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: Of course, but "Beloved Disciple" is the label of disciple whom Jesus loved (Q1564479); and John the Evangelist (Q328804) has already another J9U, which seems more appropriate (because it cites "Evangelist"). --Epìdosis 10:23, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Batch from IxTheo

Ciao Epìdosis, sto vedendo che siamo creando tanti duplicati che devi dopo unire. Forse è meglio che mi fermo per il momento, cosi puoi tu finire i tuoi batches e riprendo dopo il mio lavoro con Scholia. Lasciami un messaggio quando hai finito! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 06:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Jahl de Vautban:! Sì, lo so purtroppo, ne sto unendo vari anch'io. Finisco l'import oggi. --Epìdosis 08:25, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Birth rate difference

I've found an item with a large birth rate difference, Gillis Janssonius van Waesberge (Q58456821). What is right here?-- Homosímil (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Homosímil: Fixed. In fact, the date 1601 has never existed in the source (AGORHA says simply 16.. = 17th century), so 1646 is of course the most precise value. I have improved the references and set the appropriate ranks. --Epìdosis 20:00, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you a lot.--Homosímil (talk) 20:00, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Parallel batches with QuickStatements

Hey Epìdosis, please do not run parallel batches with QuickStatements. You have sysop rights, thus your account is not ratelimited. QuickStatements currently processes ~750 edits per minute (12-13 per second!) from your account. Since all non-sysops are ratelimited to 90 edits per minute and noratelimit is meant to be used for your sysop activites, please slow down a bit. While only one concurrent batch in QuickStatements will bring you well above 90/min as well, this is the best you can do not to hit the servers with too many requests at once. —MisterSynergy (talk) 08:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy: Of course, no problem. I thought that 2 batches at the same time were still OK, while more than 2 were too much; now only 1 is running. Thanks, --Epìdosis 11:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Even one batch can bring you to hundreds of edits per minute. QuickStatements is much more efficient these days than ratelimited accounts of regular users permit; it really becomes dangerous (and to some extent unfair) if used with an unlimited admin account. Never run more than 1 batch at a time with your main account. I understand that it is inconvenient if you have to kick off these batches only when another one has finished, but you are still *much* faster than practically everybody else. —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

David R. Jordan

Ciao! Piccola segnalazzione su MILV132474. First editions of greek classics (1476-1516) e Gift of a book sono correttamente di David R. Jordan (Q113802578), pero Radiocarbon dates from samples ... è di David Jordan (Q113803558). --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban: Grazie!  Done. --Epìdosis 15:57, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

VIAF ID deleted

Hi Epìdosis! Why should these be deleted? I don't quite understand the editorial summary. Thanks, bye Pallor (talk) 15:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pallor: Hi, of course it is a correct VIAF ID (P214) value; however, it has been added with retrieved (P813) as qualifier instead of as reference; we plan to readd all these values with P813 in the correct place in a the next few hours/days. --Epìdosis 15:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I understand, if the IDs come back, it's fine. Thanks! Pallor (talk) 17:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Trasporto di dipinti

Ciao Epìdosis. Credo che possa essere utile creare una relazione tra Trasporto di dipinti su tavola (Q7834021) e trasportato su tela (Q112259737) tenendo conto che non è vincolante (anche gli affreschi possono venir trasportati su tela). In più la prima voce non contiene alcuna dichiarazione. Non saprei bene quali campi attivare. Zanekost (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost:  Done credo che così funzioni bene. --Epìdosis 21:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Grazie. Mi pare perfetto! Zanekost (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Domanda

Ciao, scusami: perché ogni volta che mi riconnetto a Wikidata finisco automaticamente sloggato?--Potenza2021 (talk) 22:11, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Potenza2021:, è un problema strano, non saprei ... puoi provare, quando fai l'accesso, a selezionare la spunta sulla memorizzazione della password, forse potrebbe risolvere. --Epìdosis 22:31, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Infatti; è quello che faccio.--Potenza2021 (talk) 22:32, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Jacques Aumont

Ciao, picola errore su Jacques Aumont (Q3158167) = CFIV042760 : il documento Métrique et stylistique des clausules dans la prose latine è dell'homonimo Jacques Aumont (Q108608520). --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban:  Done, è sempre un piacere risolvere queste conflazioni di omonimi! --Epìdosis 10:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Emile Mas and Emile Mas

Hello, you destroyed all my work on the wikidata page Q96625621 => Emile Mas (1853-1923) is NOT Emile Mas (1866-1950) Q113637148. Marc-AntoineV (talk) 22:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Marc-AntoineV:, thanks for reporting and for undoing my wrong edits; I have now added some missing IDs. Good night, --Epìdosis 23:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

MixNMatch nkc catalogues

Hello, are you able to deactivate catalogues https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/5243 and https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/5321 ?

Many of the auto-matched suggestions had already been matched elsewhere. And it's probably impossible to resynchronize the catalogues, right?

Thank you. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Vojtěch Dostál: theoretically the sync pages (i.e. https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/sync/5243 and https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/sync/5321) should allow to overwrite the automatches with full matches, if the ID is present in a Wikidata item; unfortunately these sync pages don't load, I have tried more times. @Magnus Manske: is re-uploading the catalogues the best solution in this case? --Epìdosis 15:21, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

7 ottobre

Ciao! Scusami... ho dimenticato di risponderti, in questo periodo sono più perso del solito! Certamente, segnato il 7 sull'agenda. Grazie e buona domenica! Adert (WMIT) (talk) 06:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Consiglio

Buondì, ti chiedo un consiglio su come muovermi in situazioni come Q55900961, dove per la data di morte trovo indicato il 1670; poiché in DBI (che pure so non essere sempre preciso al 100%) trovo valore differente e certamente più attendibile, ho pensato di aggiustare le cose mantenendo il valore 1670 fontato da CERL e aggiungere il nuovo valore. Ho fatto male?, e soprattutto: qual è in questi casi il modo migliore per esprimere la ragione della classificazione preferita? Ciao ciao AttoRenato (talk) 09:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @AttoRenato:, grazie per la domanda. In casi del genere penso utilizzerei reason for preferred rank (P7452)source considered most trustworthy (Q97479954) (anche se, confesso, io metto classificazione preferita esplicitando solo di rado il motivo); in questo caso, però, sia CERL sia GND mi pare diano soltanto il valore preciso all'anno, non al giorno, quindi ho tolto CERL (che in generale preferisco togliere, perché copia GND, e sostituire con GND) e ho inserito i valori del GND precisi all'anno, mettendo come preferiti i valori del DBI precisi al giorno con reason for preferred rank (P7452)most precise value (Q71536040). Comunque sì, se un valore è sostenuto da fonti autorevoli mantenerlo mettendo come preferito un altro (sostenuto da fonti migliori o più preciso) è perfettamente corretto e consigliabile. --Epìdosis 13:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Discovery and discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Hello. I think discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk (Q110158722) and discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk (Q111887527) may be referring to the same entity (or possibly two entities that are virtually or functionally identical). I don't know a lot about the internal workings of the UK National Archives, but is there a reason they should be kept separate? -Animalparty (talk) 22:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@Animalparty: thanks, I surely agree.  Done merge. --Epìdosis 23:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

A chi segnalare vandalismi?

Ciao Epìdosis, ho riscontrato una serie di vandalismi dell'IP 80.14.41.7. Fortunatamente riguardavano soltanto tre dipinti (Q19895972, Q3937459, Q60329141) e credo di essere riuscito a risistemarli completamente. Nel caso si trattasse di interventi più estesi sarebbe stato più difficile e non ho idea se mi sia possibile effettuare dei rollback. Nel caso come si fa a segnalare i vandalismi? Zanekost (talk) 19:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Zanekost:, sì effettivamente nel caso in cui l'IP vandalo non sia l'ultimo ad aver modificato l'elemento fare un rollback può essere un pochino complicato; tuttavia, gli elementi non sono molto modificati, quindi probabilmente nella maggior parte dei casi sarà l'ultimo contributore. Un metodo efficace spesso è ripristinare l'ultima versione prima del vandalismo. Per segnalare i vandali agli amministratori puoi usare WD:AN (preferibilmente, ma non necessariamente, in inglese). Come sempre, resto a disposizione. Buona serata, --Epìdosis 19:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Solerte come sempre! Grazie. Zanekost (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Catalogo mix and match errato

Ciao Epidosis,

Sto lavorando su una base dati sulle persone coinvolte nella Spedizione dei Mille.

Ho importato un catalogo MixNMatch, ma ho sbagliato due proprietà, inoltre posso migliorare la descrizione e ho trovato anche degli URL.

Ti chiedo se gentilmente potresti cancellare il catalogo 5482.

Grazie mille. --Luca.favorido (talk) 05:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Luca.favorido: Certo,  Done. --Epìdosis 14:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Becker, Theodor <fl. 1935>

Hi Epidosis, is there a SBN author ID for Becker, Theodor <fl. 1935> = Theodor Becker (Q114296447)? -- Kolja21 (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kolja21: Thanks for reporting! I have tried to clean up the Theodor Becker occurrences in SBN authority file and, after checking up the easy ones (Theodor Becker (Q104263): German entomologist (1840-1928) and Theodor Becker (Q21545752): German philologist (1851-1921)), I come up with some conclusions and doubts:

• yes, Theodor Becker (Q114296447): no description has a SBN ID (invisible as of now, but it will become visible in the usual few weeks after my edit ...), I added it
  • I tend to think the item is https://viaf.org/viaf/306341967/, which would give us a birth year; inside https://books.google.it/books?id=UN0UAQAAIAAJ I obtained the following Lebenslauf (page 205): "Geboren am 24. April 1904 in Luxemburg als Sohn des jetzigen Eisenbahnwerkstättenvorstehers i. R. Paul Beckers und seiner Ehefrau Emilie, geb. Theisen, besuchte ich von meinem sechsten bis zehnten Lebensjahre die Volksschule zu Metz, darauf die dortige Oberrealschule. Bei Kriegsende setzte ich meine Schulzeit auf der „Ecole industrielle et commerciale“ zu Luxemburg fort und besuchte von Anfang 1921 ab die Oberrealschule zu Münster i. W., die ich Ostern 1925 mit dem Zeugnis der Reife verlies. Vom Sommersemester 1925 ab studierte ich mit zwei einsemestrigen Unterbrechungen Rechts- und Staatswissenschaften an den Universitäten Münster, Marburg und Erlangen. In Erlangen legte ich im Frühjahr 1931 die Diplomprüfung für Volkswirte, zwei Semester später die Promotionsprüfung in den wirtschaftswissenschaftlichen Staatswissenschaften erfolgreich ab." If you agree, we can integrate this in the item. I tend to think that economic publications in the 1930s related to Kartell are by this person.
• would you help me establishing who is the Theodor Becker who was author of http://id.sbn.it/bid/LO1E020569?
• another person about which I don't find anything is the author of these 3 ones: http://id.sbn.it/bid/PAR0658212, http://id.sbn.it/bid/PAR0811645, http://id.sbn.it/bid/PAR0656419

Thanks very much! --Epìdosis 17:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your great research! I've add 1904 as the year of birth to Theodor Becker (Q114296447). Unfortunately I can't reach id.sbn.it ("Fehler: Netzwerk-Zeitüberschreitung"). I'll try later again. -- Kolja21 (talk) 21:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kolja21: probably my error, I wrote "https" instead of "http" ... you can try again. --Epìdosis 06:47, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Now it works. Let's start with No. 1: http://id.sbn.it/bid/LO1E020569 Deutsche Grammatik … von Theodor Becker. St. Petersburg: K. Kran, 1830.

• At first sight it looks like a book by de:Karl Ferdinand Becker (Sprachforscher) (1775-1849). After his death his son Theodor edited his works. But 1830 doesn't fit. Therefore it is a namesake. I've created Theodor Becker (Q114315986): German linguist (fl. 1830) for the unknown linguist. --Kolja21 (talk) 07:38, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, SBN aligned. Regarding Theodor Becker (Q94799620): German high school teacher (1822-1895): the birth date is missing, but isn't it https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/GIYKSDFAYPZFJS6VAUGIGANQAKXZ5E7H? --Epìdosis 07:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes the year of birth should be 1822. All titles of Theodor Becker No.2 are by Theodor Becker (Q94799620) (1822-1895). --Kolja21 (talk) 09:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kolja21: thanks, solved in SBN this last one too. Everything will become visible in some weeks. Case closed, I think :) --Epìdosis 11:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Dizionario degli artisti

Ciao, ho visto la tua risposta, che l'attuale formatter è funzionante. Ma a me restituisce errore 404. Come è possibile? Esempio [11] Dove mi sbaglio? --Luckyz (talk) 07:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Luckyz: l'URL di formattazione della Dizionario degli artisti ID (P8950) è corretto, infatti entrando nei link degli ID in Wikidata tutto funziona; l'URL di formattazione del catalogo MnM 4085 per qualche motivo è errato come dici, e purtroppo attualmente non si aggiorna automaticamente sulla base della P e non può essere aggiornato dagli amministratori di MnM, ma soltanto da Magnus. @Magnus Manske: could you update the formatter URL of MnM 4085? Thanks! --Epìdosis 17:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Scusami ma non sono d'accordo, andando su Gennaro Abbagnara (Q55133304) e selezionando il link abbagnara-gennaro a fianco di Dizionario degli artisti ID (P8950) ricevo errore 404. Poi se sono solo io, allora scusa. --Luckyz (talk) 07:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

L'URL giusto dovrebbe essere http://www.istitutomatteucci.it/en/artisti-censiti/$1 oppure http://www.istitutomatteucci.it/artisti-censiti/$1 mentre il fommatter è http://www.istitutomatteucci.it/dizionario-degli-artisti/$1 --Luckyz (talk) 07:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Luckyz: hai ragione, adesso entrando nei link degli ID in Wikidata il link non funzionava (qualche giorno fa, entrandoci, funzionava ... strano); ho appena modificato l'URL di formattazione della P, e MnM andrà aggiornato separatamente. Grazie! --Epìdosis 07:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

David Whitehead

Ciao Epi, alcune errori su David Whitehead (Q114487804) = CFIV082421 :

• Medieval art, architecture and archaeology at Hereford è di David Whitehead (Q114489907)
• London : the architecture guide è di David Whitehead (Q114490338)
• English for business è sicuramente di un quarto David Whitehead però non sono riuscito a identificarlo.

--Jahl de Vautban (talk) 06:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban: utilissimo, risolto ora. Credo proprio che l'ultimo sia David J. Whitehead (Q114491219), che compare talvolta senza il secondo nome. --Epìdosis 13:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Grazie! Mi ero dimenticato di segnalarti Curriculum development in economics sicuramento dello stesso David J. Whitehead (Q114491219), ma credo che l'avrai visto. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Invalid IDs in Property 2446

Ciao! :-D Ti disturbo perché non saprei come segnalare all'utente (o forse non solo uno) di trovare una soluzione a una serie di edit evidentemente automatici, che mi trovo continuamente a correggere in stile "edit war", inserimenti di valori errati (peraltro doppi) della property 2446 "identificativo Transfermarkt di un calciatore": 1, 2, 3, 4. Come vedi ho anche indicato nel campo oggetto quale fosse il problema. Grazie mille, buon lavoro! ;-) Sanremofilo (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Ciao @Sanremofilo:, dunque confermo che si tratta di modifiche (semi)automatiche. Nella fattispecie, l'utente sincronizza con Wikidata il catalogo Mix'n'match (MnM) 745, associato alla Transfermarkt player ID (P2446), cosicché tutti gli abbinamenti tra una entry del catalogo (corrispondente a un ID Transfermarkt) e un elemento Wikidata si riflettono in un valore di Transfermarkt player ID (P2446) in quell'elemento Wikidata. Siccome Mix'n'match è capace di operare abbinamenti automatici, ad esempio se viene creato un nuovo elemento di calciatore con data di nascita precisa al giorno MnM può abbinarlo automaticamente a una entry del catalogo di Transfermarkt, periodicamente ha senso poi fare una sincronizzazione; tuttavia, se un ID per qualche motivo errato (es. perché si tratta di una persona diversa o perché l'ID è defunto ecc.) viene rimosso da Wikidata, come ho spiegato in Wikidata talk:Mix'n'match purtroppo tale rimozione non si riflette su MnM; per cui alla successiva sincronizzazione, l'abbinamento errato viene reinserito. Teoricamente, l'utente vedendo il rollback dovrebbe intervenire su MnM in modo che alla sincronizzazione successiva l'errore non venga reinserito, ma evidentemente in questo caso l'utente non lo fa, quindi potrebbe convenirti agire in prima persona. Consiglio il seguente modus operandi: 1) attivare nel tuo User:Sanremofilo/common.js il MnM gadget (puoi copiare questa riga del mio User:Epìdosis/common.js#L-14); 2) quando entri nell'elemento, dopo aver fatto il rollback, vedrai un tab "Mix'n'match" colle entry MnM abbinate all'elemento; 3) a quel punto, quando vedi la entry corrispondente all'ID Transfermarkt errato, clicchi su "entry", e la entry ti si apre in una nuova scheda; 4) ricordati di fare login su MnM (dopo che l'hai fatto, in alto ti compare "Welcome, Sanremofilo", o "Benvenuto, Sanremofilo" se metti l'interfaccia di MnM in italiano); 5) nella entry rimuovi l'abbinamento (cliccando su "Remove", o "Rimuovi" se metti l'interfaccia di MnM in italiano) e poi la marchi come N/A (il tasto rosso). Fatto ciò, sei sicuro che quell'abbinamento errato non verrà reinserito nella successiva sincronizzazione. Ho già agito sui primi due casi, ti lascio il 3 e il 4 come prova. Per qualunque dubbio sono a disposizione. Buona serata, --Epìdosis 19:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Ti ringrazio tantissimo, grande competenza e abilità a dare spiegazioni, vediamo se sarà sufficiente per uno come me, un pochino "lento" con certe cose... Proverò, forse domani. Buon lavoro!! ;-) Sanremofilo (talk) 19:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Troll

Ciao, ti segnalo che da ormai una settimanella c'è un IP troll che elimina sistematicamente gli estremi anagrafici dagli elementi degli umani, principalmente legati al mondo dello spettacolo. Dopo che gli ho fatto notare che stava sbagliando, chiedendogli di non farlo più e di collaborare in maniera costruttiva, non solo mi ha risposto prendendomi in giro, ma adesso si è messo a farlo apposto a mo' di ripicca nei miei confronti, arrivando addirittura a prendere di mira elementi creati da me o che ho appena modificato, facendo cose sciocche come questa o questa. Fate attenzione, pingo anche @Pizzaedo: che è molto attivo nelle descrizioni. Potreste eventualmente darmi una mano a vigilare, mettendo negli osservati speciali alcune di queste pagine? L'IP si diverte a scatenare edit war che vanno avanti da una settimana (basta guardare le cronologie). Inoltre sarebbe il caso di segnalarlo in modo opportuno.--Alienautic (talk) 19:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Alienautic: sì, non mi pare particolarmente costruttivo (anche perché le descrizioni non sono il fulcro degli elementi). Ho messo un blocco e qualche protezione su alcuni elementi, se serve altro segnalami e provvedo. Grazie mille, --Epìdosis 19:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Grazie a te. Tra l'altro, nell'ultima settimana l'utente si è ripresentato con un IP diverso almeno una quindicina di volte. Speriamo sia la volta buona.--Alienautic (talk) 19:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Come volevasi dimostrare.--Alienautic (talk) 20:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Alienautic: Bloccato, questo è oggettivamente scorretto. Sì, era prevedibile che si ripresentasse, e credo che lo farà ancora. Avevo cercato di raggiungere un consenso di qualche tipo in Wikidata:Requests for comment/Use of dates in the descriptions of items regarding humans, ma la questione sembra appassionare poco (in parte capisco anche il perché, appunto le descrizioni non sono il fulcro degli elementi) e di fatto non sembra esserci un consenso né pro né contro. Cerco almeno di risollevare il punto di come trattare conflitti tra utenti su questo punto, almeno stabilire qualcosa su quello sarebbe utile; puoi intervenire, se vuoi, sulla questione. Per il resto, avvisami pure se servono altri miei interventi. Buona serata, --Epìdosis 20:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Ti segnalo che non demorde. Il fatto che mi abbia preso di mira è preoccupante, a giudicare dagli elementi che si è messo a vandalizzare.--Alienautic (talk) 22:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Nuovo IP.--Alienautic (talk) 22:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Praticamente ogni volta che ti faccio la segnalazione cambia IP.--Alienautic (talk) 22:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Minacce?--Alienautic (talk) 23:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Alienautic: il caso mi pare piuttosto impegnativo, credo che la cosa migliore sia che tu lo segnali a WD:AN (anche perché la pagina è più o meno sempre presidiata, mentre io in alcune fasce orarie non sono online); siccome finora non mi è capitato di gestire casi del genere, chiedo consiglio anche a @Sannita:. Mi spiace ... --Epìdosis 06:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Non posso aiutare molto, specie perché non saprei come fare un filtro per impedire a questo tizio di romperti. Al massimo potrei semi-proteggere la tua talk, ma potrebbe risultare in lui che ti da fastidio altrove. Direi che WD:AN è il modo più veloce di ottenerlo. Nel caso, pingaci lì per confermare la tua versione. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 07:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Question about International Museum Day 2022

Dear Epìdosis
I would like to know if you have received your International Museum Day 2022 award from Switzerland. I have the second place for Switzerland. The contact person in the chapter answers my emails not in a proper way and I have to wait for weeks till I have or have not an answer about how I can get my price and I do not know whom to appeal. Your advice will be appreciated. --Armineaghayan (talk) 22:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Armineaghayan:! I didn't get it and neither the one from Malta, which was also from WMCH. Firstly I was contacted by @Lantus (WMCH):, who asked me to choose a museum; after I did it, he didn't answer my emails anymore. I contacted another person in WMCH, who said I had to contact WMAT; I contacted WMAT (which had already provided me its prizes), which said there was a mistake and WMCH was effectively responsible for the two prizes I had not received yet; they also said WMCH was probably processing my order, but I didn't here anything from them in the last weeks ... I don't know, honestly, although I am confident I will get these prizes someday :) --Epìdosis 22:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Epìdosis:! Thank you for your answer. Today I got a letter from him. In hist first letter he advised me choose my gift and shipping within 150 Euro. I wrote him and told that Wikimedia Austria sent me my gift for Armenia and paid the shipping himself. So today finally he wrote me and answered that since CH is not part of EU, shipping costs are expensive.--Armineaghayan (talk) 14:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Epìdosis Did you receive your prize? I haven’t heard from WMCH for months … --Emu (talk) 22:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Epìdosis, Emu, Mndetatsin: Hello everyone, yesterday WMAT drew my attention to this discussion page. The prizes for you are still pending and I would like to conclude this so that you can be recognised for your commitment. Due to the absence of one person from our team without the appropriate handover, there has been some confusion with Museum Day because we were not clear about the procedures. However, I am happy to ask for the museum shop from which you would like to choose something. Please drop me a personal message on my Wikipedia discussion page. Thank you very much. Lantus (WMCH) (talk) 09:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Proprietà RaiPlay e Rai Teche

Ciao! Potresti creare le proprietà proposte in 1 e 2, che poverine sono in attesa da inizio agosto? :-) Horcrux (talk) 11:58, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Grazie! E scusa se scoccio sempre te. --Horcrux (talk) 13:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Horcrux:  Done, sì vedo che purtroppo il backlog di proprietà da creare ha pure superato quota 70 ... chiedi pure anche in altri casi, non preoccuparti! --Epìdosis 13:50, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

SBN possible error

Hello,

Could you check SBN persons catalogue please? There is an entry matched to probably wrong item: Jörg Draeger (Q112523731). Both match and ID should be removed from MnM and WD and matched to Jörg Draeger (Q1509486). Matlin (talk) 11:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Matlin:, thanks for the report. I have checked SBN and I matched https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/entry/133035559 with Jörg Draeger (Q112523731). You can always write me for any doubt about SBN IDs, of course. Best, --Epìdosis 16:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC) P.S. Created also Jörg Draeger (Q115012928)

Bait La Zemer Ha-Ivri song ID (P3996)

Hello Epi, The formatter URL (P1630) of Bait La Zemer Ha-Ivri song ID (P3996) was changed. I do have the new formatter URL, and also the list of the new id's and can add them with OpenRefine.
a. Can I change the link by myself? (also the URL match pattern (P8966)). b. I can add the new id's but don't know how to remove the old ones (I can add "preffered rank" but te best way would be to remove the old id's). Geagea (talk) 13:17, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Geagea: A: yes, you can change directly formatter URL (P1630) and URL match pattern (P8966); B, you can remove them through QuickStatements, removing them is surely easier than changing ranks. --Epìdosis 15:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Francesco Paolo Russo

Hi Epìdosis, Francesco Paolo Russo (Q56959494) and Francesco Paolo Russo (Q107140655) seems to be the same person. Can you please check? --Kolja21 (talk) 02:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kolja21: I confirm, merged. I have seen many cases of researchers created both on the basis of ORCID (and linked to scientific articles) and on the basis of libraries ... still a lot of merges to be done :( --Epìdosis 14:13, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I've created a GND for the physician so that he is not confused with the editore Francesco Paolo Russo (Q107060073). --Kolja21 (talk) 14:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

John Carew Rolfe

Ciao! Un duplicato su SBN: John Carew Rolfe = John Carew Rolfe = John Carew Rolfe (Q6225114). Buona giornata! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 10:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban:  Done, grazie mille! --Epìdosis 14:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Question about BNCF heading_author_id

Hi Epi,

do you know what a heading_author_id like RAVV038479 means? Is there any way to link it (to Mario Gabrieli (Q115055456) in this case)? Tina Tinderina (talk) 15:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Tina Tinderina:! Such IDs with 4 letters (the last being V) and 6 numbers are SBN IDs assigned to persons or organizations, and are represented by SBN author ID (P396); sometimes, if you add it, you will obtain sometimes "Nessun risultato trovato" (e.g. Q16178691#P396); this is due to an issue described in this article and that I hope will be solved in a few months; anyway, you can add such "invisible" IDs using a reference to the bibliographic records connected to it, as in the previous example. Ask me for any doubts. --Epìdosis 15:45, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Themon Judaeus

Would you please explain the deletions? Yotwen (talk) 10:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Yotwen: of course, GND doesn't state that he was born in 1349. --Epìdosis 11:03, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Aber all die Alternativnamen die stehen in der GND. Schiesst du manchmal über das Ziel hinaus? Yotwen (talk) 15:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Yotwen: I agree, in fact I have not deleted them, but moved them to "fr" and "la". --Epìdosis 16:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Olga Lavrentieva (Q104728285)

Ciao, sei sicuro di questa modifica in cui cambi la traslitterazione italiana? In Italia è pubblicata come "Lavrenteva". Phyrexian ɸ 10:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Phyrexian: No, hai ragione, ho rimesso "Lavrenteva" come etichetta. Grazie, --Epìdosis 10:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thesaurus Linguae Graecae

Hi Epìdosis, do you have access to the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae? I've seperated Iuncus (Q115456357) from Lucius Aemilius Juncus (Q12285191) but a few questions remain. 1) Is TLG author ID (P3576) 1453 the philosopher? 2) Imho he is identical with Iuncus 1 (Pauly-Wissowa) (Q98394781). "Dialog zwischen einem jüngeren und einem älteren Manne mit deutlicher Anlehnung an Platon" could be Peri gērōs ("über das Alter"). --Kolja21 (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kolja21: yes, I have access to TLG. I confirm both, TLG is the philosopher and the philosopher is the person treated in RE, of course the dialog is Peri gērōs. Thanks! --Epìdosis 20:13, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Questione

I would like to ask you for advice. Why are Giovanni Benedetto Sinibaldi (Q106223223) and Giovanni Benedetto Sinibaldi (Q60833986) not the same?

thanks for you help. جهاد علمی (talk) 22:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@جهاد علمی: of course they are the same;  Done merge, thanks! --Epìdosis 22:57, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Was he father or granfather of Giacomo Sinibaldi (Q110215160)?--جهاد علمی (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@جهاد علمی: He can plausibly be the father, but as of now I have found no sources stating this information. --Epìdosis 23:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Secondary name forms from GND

Hi Epidosis,

the DNB has many bogus transliterations

1. ) stemming from old library software which stumbled on anything beyond ASCII
2. ) copied from other national libraries, which use transliterations better matched to their languages (Danish, Dutch, ..).

Zechariah ben Solomon-Rofe (Q113794251) is an example of this failure.

If possible please don't add any secondary name forms for Arabic and Hebrew. There are not many, but enough German users to apply the corrects transliterations for each of these alphabets.

Kind regards-- Insane Clown President (talk) 17:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Insane Clown President:! Thanks for your message, I very much agree that many transliterations in GND either don't belong to German or contain little mistakes probably due to past migrations. These items were created through User:Magnus Manske/gnd reveal.js, which unfortunately doesn't make any selection among aliases; I was able, with the help of @Bargioni:, to just exclude non-Latin-script aliases (surely not belonging to German), but it was very difficult to semiautomatically exclude others. Thanks! --Epìdosis 17:49, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Just a quick comment: Indeed the GND collects all existing forms of names so that the titles can be found. The transcriptions or transliterations do not have to be correct. This is not the task of the data field "Weitere Namen". (Sometimes a librarian add "falsche Namensform" = "incorrect name form" but this is not mandatory.) --Kolja21 (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

profession (Q28640) and occupation (Q12737077)

Can you please explain why you don't think profession (Q28640) is a subclass of (P279) occupation (Q12737077)? The idea that any instance of profession (Q28640) is also an occupation (Q12737077) seems to be indicated by the English description itself - "occupation requiring specialized training."

Seems like programmatically it would be ideal too, for example if we want to enumerate all allowable values for occupation (P106) we can just do P31/P279* Q12737077 and that will capture pretty much everything. But I didn't want to add it back without letting you know and giving you an opportunity for input. Phillipedison1891 (talk) 04:18, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

@Phillipedison1891: Thanks for contacting me! I honestly don't remember why about an year ago I removed that subclass of (P279), but it seems effectively reasonable having it, so thanks for restoring. It was probably a period in which I was trying to clear a bit the upper ontology of Wikidata regarding humans and in that bunch of edits I have probably made some mistake ... thanks again! --Epìdosis 08:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Rifiniture

Ciao Epìdosis, scusami, ho aggiunto l'elemento Girolamo Ridolfi (Q115610481) ma non ricordo come aggiungere un "forse" sul luogo di nascita e il floruit invece delle date di nascita emorte. Zanekost (talk) 20:25, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost:  Done :) --Epìdosis 23:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Grazie!!! Zanekost (talk) 12:56, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Vandalismo

Ciao Epìdosis. mi sono accorto che San Michele sconfigge Satana Q594470 era stato modificato in San Raffaele … il 16 luglio 2022 da un tale "Rafacroce". È possibile verificare se esistono ulteriori vandalismi di questo personaggio? Zanekost (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost: ad occhio non vedo altri suoi vandalismi. --Epìdosis 16:32, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Speriamo bene… Zanekost (talk) 16:33, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Ierocle

Ciao Epìdosis ! Sembra esistere una confusione tra Hierocles of Alexandria (Q248840) = BVEV023900 e Hierocles (Q17633738) = SBLV101153. Per ora ho lascioto gli due ID sul primo dei due Ierocle, anche perche SBLV101153 tuttavia a l'ISNI del Ierocle di Alessandria e è nello stesso cluster VIAF. Grazie se puoi darci un occhiata ! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 12:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban: grazie per la segnalazione, effettivamente c'era un caos notevole tra 4 diversi Ierocle (filosofo neoplatonico, filosofo stoico, autore del Philogelos, geografo), ora ho sistemato tutto e - al solito - la redistribuzione delle opere e la sistemazione delle schede di autorità sarà visibile entro due settimane. A presto, --Epìdosis 13:58, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Giovanni Carlo Federico Villa

Ciao Epìdosis. Vedo che viene reinserito su Q105424781 l'occupazione "guida alpina", cosa assai improbabile (non è che non possa piacergli la montagna ma dove troverebbe il tempo?) e assente nel suo curriculum. Il suo nome inoltre non viene riportato negli albi regionali delle guide autorizzate. L'informazione proviene dalla biblioteca nazionale ceca, che probabilmente riprende un vecchio errore di WD. Dopo la cancellazione un bot la rimette automaticamente. Come si fa ad avvisare dell'errore? Zanekost (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

@Zanekost: Il dato è presente non solo nell'authority file ceco, ma anche in SBN, in https://itinerariafvg.it/pdf/canalettovillaA4.pdf e in altre fonti che trovo online, quindi mi pare attendibile; l'ho inserito con questi riferimenti. --Epìdosis 19:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Quand'è così… Grazie comunque.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zanekost (talk • contribs).