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08:47, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

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P31 and P279Edit

Hello, about this edit: there is difference between instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279). Please see Help:Basic membership properties. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 22:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ivan A. Krestinin: - Can you clarify? Just because there are "two" of something doesn't make it a subclass of something else. It's possible to have a series of items be no more than multiple instances of something and for it not to be significant enough to warrant a new class of satellite. All the Venera items need work, and not all should be new subclasses of spacecraft. -- Fuzheado (talk) 00:56, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

senior editor (Q26206833)Edit

This occupation has little value since it doesn't link out to anything that explains what makes it so different from the occupation of editor. People should definitely not be given any occupation that doesn't have at least one Wikipedia article somewhere explaining what it is. In such cases, assign the occupations most closely resembling the job, and consider using "field of work" to express the field or "position held" to reflect seniority, as in "Editor-in-chief" of a magazine. The goal is to keep the occupation hierarchy as flat as possible for both query purposes and to maximize usability with external databases. Narrowing the occupation degrades "findability". Jane023 (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jane023: - I agree with you in general on this. But there is a conundrum that this is a very common title in news production and journalism, which represents a higher status, almost like a "distinguished professor" or "chair professor" is in academia or a "senior advisor" in the political ranks. Neither of those do well in Wikidata either, as they are enhancements on the professor and advisor titles, and may not merit a standalone article. There is a big difference between editor and senior editor in journalism, so I'm a bit torn on this. Are there other areas where we can learn from regarding this kind of arrangement? -- Fuzheado (talk) 14:09, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I get that, but maybe it would help to look at the ecclesiastical lists? Someone has cleaned a lot of those up. "Archbishop" is not an profession but you get there by becoming a theologian. Theoretically you become a senior editor when you change jobs or get a promotion so this would be "position held", which is not to be confused with the profession of journalism. Jane023 (talk) 14:13, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Returning JapaneseEdit

I am adding some missing IMDB links and ran into Returning Japanese, part 1 (Q32826346) and Returning Japanese, part 2 (Q32826348). According to IMDB it's one extra long episode. Maybe better to merge these two? Multichill (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Looks like the ordering and dates you used are not the same as IMDB. This query gives an overview of the episodes:
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?date ?previous ?previousLabel ?next ?nextLabel ?imdb WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P179 wd:Q1135966 .
  MINUS { ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q3464665 } .
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P1191 ?date } .
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P155 ?previous } .
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P156 ?next } .
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P345 ?imdb } .
    SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en". }
} ORDER BY ?date LIMIT 1000
Try it!
Look for example at the start of season three. Where did you get the data from?
If the ordering is not the same as IMDB, my bot won't be able to add the missing IMDB links. Multichill (talk) 10:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons focus group update, December 11, 2017Edit

Hello! You are receiving this message because you signed up for the community focus group for Structured Commons :-)

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  1. We received many additions to the spreadsheet that collects important Commons and Wikidata tools. Thank you! Now, you can participate in a survey that helps us understand and prioritize which tools and functionalities are most important for the Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata communities. The survey runs until December 22. Here's some background.
  2. Help the team decide on better names for 'captions' and 'descriptions'. You can provide input until January 3, 2018.
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gun editsEdit

Hi, I notice you've made a number of edits to handgun models that make them subclasses of weapon (Q728) not instances of . I think they are models and should use instance of (P31). Pauljmackay (talk) 10:42, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

@Pauljmackay: - Hi, thanks for the note. Initially I thought so too. But the Wikidata custom is that "models" of a weapon should be subclasses, and only specific firearms (John F. Kennedy assassination rifle (Q2012291)) should be instances. The same goes for cars, planes, telecopes, cell phone models, etc. Part of the cognitive leap is that what we would call a "class" in the firearms world (or other domains) is not what we would call a "class" in Wikidata parlance. -- Fuzheado (talk) 11:05, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
That's really interesting and not something I've read before. Do you have any links/references to where that is documented in more detail? This page doesnt seem to cover the classification of products/models. Pauljmackay (talk) 11:19, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, here's the extended discussion on Project Chat back in May [1], when I held the position you have above about guns (see the discussion further down after spacecraft). I've come to the side of calling them subclasses rather than instances. I agree, however, that the current page on Basic Membership Properties needs work, as it doesn't address the phenomenon of product lines and models. Let me know what you think. -- Fuzheado (talk) 22:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
@Fuzheado: do you happen to know of any other discussions on Project Chat that cover this from different perspectives? The link to the chat about spacecraft and guns is useful but more examples would be great. I might post a new chat thread to try to clarify this. Pauljmackay (talk) 09:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons - Design feedback request: Multilingual CaptionsEdit

Hello! You are receiving this message because you signed up for the the community focus group for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons.

The Structured Data on Commons team has a new design feedback request up for Multilingual Captions support in the Upload Wizard. Visit the page for more information about the potential designs. Discussion and feedback is welcome there.

On a personal note, you'll see me posting many of these communications going forward for the Structured Data project, as SandraF transitions into working on the GLAM side of things for Structured Data on Commons full time. For the past six months she's been splitting time between the two roles (GLAM and Community Liaison). I'm looking forward to working with you all again. Thank you, happy editing. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 15:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


Pinging you (and others) since you've done a lot of MnM matching on the AAT thesaurus, as to whether or not you think it would be useful to be able to record the "broader" field in thesauruses like this, allowing one to reference the thesaurus structure in WDQS queries. Property proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/broader_concept. Jheald (talk) 19:03, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data feedback - What gets stored where (Ontology)Edit


There is a new feedback request for Structured Data on Commons (link for messages posted to Commons: , regarding what metadata from a file gets stored where. Your participation is appreciated.

Happy editing to you. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

First structured licensing conversation on CommonsEdit


The first conversation about structured copyright and licensing for Structured Data on Commons has been posted, please come by and participate. The discussion will be open through the end of the month (March). Thank you. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Multilingual captions testing is availableEdit


The early prototype for multilingual caption support is available for testing. More information on how to sign up to test is on Commons. Thanks, happy editing to you. - Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons IRC Office Hour, Tuesday 26 JuneEdit


There will be an IRC office hour for Structured Data on Tuesday, 26 June from 18:00-19:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. You can find more details, as well as date and time conversion, at the IRC Office Hours page on Meta.

Thanks, I look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. -- Keegan (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

What properties does Commons need?Edit


Structured Commons will need properties to make statements about files. The development team is working on making the software ready to support properties; the question is, what properties does Commons need?

You can find more information and examples to help find properties in a workshop on Commons. Please participate and help fill in the list, and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data feedback - Depicts statements draft requirementsEdit


A slide presentation of the draft requirements for depicts statements on file pages is up on Commons. Please visit this page on Commons to review the slides and discuss the draft. Thank you, see you on the talk page. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:20, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data feedback - structured licensing and copyrightEdit

Mockups of structured licensing and copyright statements on file pages are posted. Please have a look over the examples and leave your feedback on the talk page. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


Please, be more careful with merging. (-)-nicotine (Q28086552) and nicotine (Q12144) are about different concepts. Regards, Wostr (talk) 20:43, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

New discussion on Commons talk:Structured dataEdit

Hello. I've started a new, important discussion about creating properties for Commons on Wikidata. Please come join in, if the process is something that interests you or if you can help. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - upcoming changes to viewing old file page revisionsEdit

How old revisions of file pages work are likely going to have to change for structured data. There is information about the change on the SDC hub talk page, please read it over and leave feedback if you have any. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 15:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - IRC office hours today, 4 OctoberEdit

There will be an IRC office hour for Structured Data on Commons today, 4 October 2018, from 17:00-18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. You can find date/time conversion, as well as a link to join the chat in your browser if needed, on the IRC Office hours page on Meta. I look forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - search prototypeEdit

There is a search prototype for structured data on Commons available. Please visit the search prototype page on the structured data hub for information on testing and feedback. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations, Dear Administrator!Edit

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An offering for our new administrator from your comrades... (our gift is better than the one at Commons or Meta)

You have your gun; now here's your badge: {{User admin}}/{{#babel:admin}} and {{Admin topicon}}. Enjoy!

Congratulations! You now have the rights of administrator on Wikidata. Please take a moment to read the Wikidata:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Wikidata:Project chat, Wikidata:Requests for comment, and Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikidata-admin @ If you need access, you can flag someone down at @ You may find Wikidata:Guide to Adminship to be useful reading. You may also want to consider adding yourself to meta:Template:Wikidata/Ambassadors, and to any similar page on your home wiki if one exists. (Check Wikipedia:Wikidata/Wikidatans (Q14964498).)

Please also add/update the languages you speak to your listing at Wikidata:List of administrators. You may also like to add your username to this list if you would not like that items you delete at RfD get marked as deleted automatically. Again, welcome to the admin corps!

--Lymantria (talk) 07:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Lymantria: Thanks for the notice! -- Fuzheado (talk) 07:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Furthering block evasion as administratorEdit

Hi Fuzheado,

Please comment on my question at Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q56871248. --- Jura 17:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Open questions on your first admin actionsEdit

Please respond to the question about your admin actions at Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q56871248. --- Jura 03:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

A simple check, taking only a couple of seconds, shows that Fuzheado's last edit was time stamped "18:56, 19 October 2018". Please stop hectoring him. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Open question on admin action(s)Edit

Hi Fuzheado,

Please excuse me to insist, but I don't think your response at Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q56871248 answers the main question:

How can a blocked user contribute after they were blocked? I don't see how this is peripheral to the question what to do with items they created as an IP after the block.

If you don't feel at ease answering the question there, please do so here. If you want to withdraw your closing of the deletion request, feel free to do so. --- Jura 04:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

If there is strong evidence to show that an IP editor is the banned user, then any standing ban should be enforced. However, the deletion request was not of that nature and did not establish that link. I already noted on the deletion request conversation: I have no objections if another admin (or user with higher privileges) acts on this with better information about the identity of the editor which links them to the longstanding block. There was simply no adequate justification and proof provided in the initial request. Cheers. -- Fuzheado (talk) 08:29, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
I added the question there: So the item should be deleted if it was created by a blocked user? --- Jura 03:46, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't quite get why you don't respond to the question. There may be language barrier involved, but you seem to be a native English speaker. Is there a part of my question that isn't clear? If yes, please say so. I can try to phrase it differently. I'd like to help you to get your first admin actions right, but there is only a limited amount of what one can do. --- Jura 13:04, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
I have responded to your questions multiple times. If you are referring to specific policies you are welcome to point to them. -- Fuzheado (talk) 03:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
It's a simple yes/no question. Should blocked users continue to edit or not? --- Jura 20:15, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Asked and answered - "If there is strong evidence to show that an IP editor is the banned user, then any standing ban should be enforced." -- Fuzheado (talk) 01:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - IRC office hour today, 1 NovemberEdit

There will be an IRC office hour for Structured Data on Commons today, 1 October 2018, from 17:00-18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. You can find date/time conversion, as well as a link to join the chat in your browser if needed, on the IRC Office hours page on Meta. I realize this may be short notice for some people; I am experimenting with advanced notice times to see what works best for the most people, I'll be giving more warning before the next office hour. I look forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - IRC office hour today, 1 NovemberEdit

The above message says 1 October in the body when it should say 1 November, as the subject line says. Apologies for making a new section by mass message, it's the only way to get this out quickly. See you in twenty minutes! -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - copyright and licensing statementsEdit

I've posted a second round of designs for modeling copyright and licensing in structured data. These redesigns are based off the feedback received in the first round of designs, and the development team is looking for more discussion. These designs are extremely important for the Commons community to review, as they deal with how copyright and licensing is translated from templates into structured form. I look forward to seeing you over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:25, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Multilingual captions beta testingEdit

The Structured Data on Commons team has begun beta testing of the first feature, multilingual file captions, and all community members are invited to test it out. Captions is based on designs discussed with the community[2][3] and the team is looking forward to hearing about testing. If all goes well during testing, captions will be turned on for Commons around the second week of January, 2019.

Multilingual captions are plain text fields that provide brief, easily translatable details of a file in a way that is easy to create, edit, and curate. Captions are added during the upload process using the UploadWizard, or they can be added directly on any file page on Commons. Adding captions in multiple languages is a simple process that requires only a few steps.

The details:

  • There is a help page available on how to use multilingual file captions.
  • Testing will take place on Beta Commons. If you don’t yet have an account set up there, you’ll need one.
  • Beta Commons is a testbed, and not configured exactly like the real Commons site, so expect to see some discrepancies with user interface (UI) elements like search.
  • Structured Data introduces the potential for many important page changes to happen at once, which could flood the recent changes list. Because of this, Enhanced Recent Changes is enabled as it currently is at Commons, but with some UI changes.
  • Feedback and commentary on the file caption functionality are welcome and encouraged on the discussion page for this post.
  • Some testing has already taken place and the team are aware of some issues. A list of known issues can be seen below.
  • If you discover a bug/issue that is not covered in the known issues, please file a ticket on Phabricator and tag it with the “Multimedia” tag. Use this link to file a new task already tagged with "Multimedia."

Known issues:


-- Keegan (WMF) (talk), for the Structured Data on Commons Team 20:43, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)Edit

Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 November or Thursday, 10 November 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

  1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
  2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
  3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Dutch, American etc.Edit

I don't think [4] & [5] is an improvement. Multichill (talk) 21:51, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I get your point. But I will note that no other institution, obscure or otherwise, seems to use "National Gallery of Art" in any way (see en:List_of_national_galleries). Here was my conundrum, and I'm open to other solutions other than my edit: I was staring at a Wikidata item with a P1006 ID [6]. At the same time, I was staring at a AC record page [7] and had no idea this had any connection to "National Thesaurus for Author Names ID" because 1) our label doesn't refer to Dutch, NL, National Library of the Netherlands or Koninklijke Bibliotheek. Similarly, the page at takes some scrolling and searching to find that the entry is actually within the "Nederlandse Thesaurus van Auteursnamen" and requires some on-the-fly translation to connect the two. So it took a while to finally find out that the AC record I was staring at was indeed meant to map to P1006. I added some aliases to help folks figure this out faster, because typically what I'll do is to look for the most prominent proper noun on the page, and start typing it into the ID box, and see if it matches anything (ie. Koninklijke Bibliotheek). This diff [8] tries to do that. Anyway, feel free to revert if you think it's not warranted, but I still think this is a long term problem in that the NTA ID is not that well know, and that page makes it hard to figure out unless you scroll down and see the "void:inDataset" statement. Maybe put NTA in parentheses for the main label? -- Fuzheado (talk) 22:12, 8 January 2019 (UTC)



  • You can add "types" to your game API (e.g. house (Q3947)), see here (especially last line in $action == 'desc' section)
  • Might be a good idea to catch "no callback parameter" and not wrap the response in a function call
  • Similarly, catch absence of other parameter values (num, depicts etc.) with default values

--Magnus Manske (talk) 12:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I have it working now with arbitrary number of depicts categories. The image is still small, though - not sure what you recommend here. Haven't had time to reverse engineer game1_image.php yet. -- Fuzheado (talk) 12:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


I came up to Noa Noa: Offerings of Gratitude (Maruru) (Q60740057) and Noa Noa: Nave Nave Fenua (Fragrant Isle) (Q60755419). Prints by nature are not unique works but have several copies. The Noa Noa Suite has 3 or 4 states: the artist's proofs, the regular edition by Louis Roy, and the posthumous edition by Pola Gauguin. Regular edition was between 20 and 30 copies that can be found in different museums. Some examples other than the Cleveland Museum of Art: Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, Art Institute of Chicago, the British Museum. For prints by Gauguin on Commons I made a list at c:Paul Gauguin catalog raisonné, Kornfeld 1988. Not sure how the deal with that on Wikidata. --Vriullop (talk) 10:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - development update, March 2019Edit

This text is also posted on the Structured Data hub talk page. You can reply there with questions, comments, or concerns.

A development update for the current work by the Structured Data on Commons team:

After the release of multilingual file captions, work began on getting depicts and other statements ready for release. These were originally scheduled for release in February and into March, however there are currently two major blockers to finishing this work (T215642, T217157). We will know more next week about when depicts and statements can likely be ready for testing and then release; until then I've tentatively updated the release schedule.

Once the depicts feature is ready for testing, it will take place in two stages on TestCommons. The first is checking the very basics; is the design comfortable, how does the simple workflow of adding/editing/removing statements work, and building up help and process pages from there. The second part is a more detailed test of depicts and other statements, checking the edge-case examples of using the features, bugs that did not come up during simple testing, etc. Additionally we'll be looking with the community for bugs in interaction with bots, gadgets, and other scripts once the features are live on Commons. Please let me know if you're interesting in helping test and fix these bugs if they show up upon release, it is really hard to find them in a test environment or, in some cases, bugs won't show up in a testing environment at all.

One new thing is definitely coming within the next few weeks, pending testing: the ability to search for captions. This is done using the inlabel keyword in search strings, and will be the first step in helping users find content that is specifically structured data. I'll post a notice when that feature is live and ready for use.

Thanks, let me know if you have questions about these plans. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - early depicts testingEdit

The Structured Data on Commons development team has the very basic version of depicts statements available for early testing on Test-Commons. You can add very basic depicts statements to the file page by going into the new “Structured Data” tab located below the "Open in Media Viewer button." You can use the Latest Files link in the left side nav bar to select existing images, or use the UploadWizard to upload new ones to test with (although those images won’t actually show up on the site). The test site is not a fully functional replica of Commons, so there may be some overall problems in using the site, but you should be able to get a general idea of what using the feature is like.

Early next week I will call for broad, community-wide testing of the feature similar to what we did for Captions, with instructions for testing, known bugs, and a dedicated space to discuss the feature as well as a simple help page for using statements. Until then, you're welcome to post on the SDC talk page with what you might find while testing depicts.

Thanks in advance for trying it out, you'll be hearing more from me next week. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:00, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

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