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"Nasiebhoesein F. Moesafierhoesein" (Q17269979)

Lotje (talkcontribs)

Hallo GerardM, er bestaat ook een Frits Moesafierhoesein (Q76314044). Kan je eens zien welke kan worden verwijderd? Thnks.

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Hanylka (talkcontribs)
GerardM (talkcontribs)

Well I have a source, and that is the source where you may discuss it further

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1234qwer1234qwer4 (talkcontribs)

How is "phonetic symbols in Unicode" a Unicode block?

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Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

Hello, a fellowship is a certain membership status. Therefore, a fellow is always a member. That's what the description of Fellow says, too. Plus, Fellow of the Linnean Society of London is defined as a membership (Q20006438) only.

I know that it is more common in WD to list fellowships as an award, but I think that misses its character. Being granted a fellowship via an election by other fellows is a distinction, but, IMO, not an award. Regards

GerardM (talkcontribs)

When you consider the considerable number of fellowships and how they are recorded in Wikidata, you have an opinion and it is not how we do this.

Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

I have given you a rationale for my opinion. Being a fellow implies membership. Are you willing or able to explain your opinion to me, or is it just "how we do this"?

GerardM (talkcontribs)

there are orgs where there is no membership except that fellows choose fellows in recognition. Also for the orgs where there is a fellowship and a membership, people start being a member on a different date from being a fellow.

Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

The Linnean Society isn't one of them, however. Plus, a fellowship in such a society lasts for a whole lifetime, while a Guggenheim Fellowship, for instance, usually lasts for only a year. So using property P580 (start time) instead of P585 (point in time) is more appropriate as well.

Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

This is a warning. I gave you the opportunity to explain your action, you didn't. So please stop vandalizing this page, thank you.

Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

The point is: You still haven't explained why "Fellow of the Linnean Society of London" in particular, and not just anything containing the word "fellow", is an award.

To elaborate on this: Being a "fellow of..." is an attribute of a person. An award, on the other hand, is an item, a thing. So if it was an award, it would be called "Fellowship in the Linnean Society of London". That's the difference to, say, a Guggenheim Fellowship. Got it? (talkcontribs)

Never heard about antonyms? There is the jolly good fellow, there are the organisations where fellows is synonym with member, there are the fellows that gained a stipend to do some research and there are the fellows that have been recognised for the quality of their work.

In the way you erroneously treat fellow you make it a synonym with member AND you express it with a date and the qualification of fellow. Given that the Linnean society includes members the date when someone becomes a fellow is NOT the date when he becomes a fellow.

As to a warning. Why, this is an asynchronous conversation I may choose when to answer. Please consider yourself and your actions, words like vandalising are equally applicable to you,

Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

You keep contradicting yourself in a way that makes it senseless to even answer you. "[T]he date when someone becomes a fellow is NOT the date when he becomes a fellow."?? Please try to find a consistent position on this topic, then we can have a discussion.

GerardM (talkcontribs)

first you become a member THEN you may become a fellow

Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

Uhm, no.

1., you're still missing the point, that is whether being a fellow of the Linnean Society constitutes a type of membership or not. That's a simple question, for which there's a simple way to answer: Go to the society's website, and read that "there are three levels of membership: Fellows, Associates and Student Associates." Pretty straightforward, isn't it? You haven't given any rationale that could overwrite that statement.

2., by using the qualifier "subject has role" (P2868), it's absolutely clear that the date (year) given marks the beginning of the fellowship, not of a regular membership that may have existed before. Plus, if you claim that Victoria Braithwaite must have been member before she could have been elected fellow, then why do you want to delete that membership from the data set?

3., I explicitly cited your statement that "the date when someone becomes a fellow is NOT the date when he becomes a fellow", yet you still seem not to realize that this makes no sense, obviously. You may consider this to be a small typo, but it pretty much undercuts your whole point if you mix up the very two things (fellowship and membership) you want to treat separately, and then don't even realize it even if I explicitly point it out for you.

GerardM (talkcontribs)

Given that you can not say make me a fellow, you are awarded that destinction, your argument is moot.

Axolotl Nr.733 (talkcontribs)

Free application isn't a requirement for using P463 (member of). You cannot apply for membership in the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences, either.

GerardM (talkcontribs)

and consequently a membership has the name membership but is in fact an award.

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Attitude towards other contributors

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Hi GerardM,

It is not acceptable to be rude towards other contributors, especially when you reverted them by mistake. Please adopt a more constructive attitude, as Wikidata is a collaborative project. Consider yourself warned.

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Structured Data - blogs posted in Wikimedia Space

MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

There are two separate blog entries for Structured Data on Commons posted to Wikimedia Space that are of interest:

  • Working with Structured Data on Commons: A Status Report, by Lucas Werkmeister, discusses some ways that editors can work with structured data. Topics include tools that have been written or modified for structured data, in addition to future plans for tools and querying services.
  • Structured Data on Commons - A Blog Series, written by me, is a five-part posting that covers the basics of the software and features that were built to make structured data happen. The series is meant to be friendly to those who may have some knowledge of Commons, but may not know much about the structured data project.
I hope these are informative and useful, comments and questions are welcome. All the blogs offer a comment feature, and you can log in with your Wikimedia account using oAuth. I look forward to seeing some posts over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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Reminder: Community Insights Survey

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RMaung (WMF) 19:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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Randykitty (talkcontribs)

Re this and similar edits, do you realize that "behavior geneticist" is not an "occupation"? "Researcher" or "professor" is an occupation, but "behavior geneticist is a specialization. If you want to respond to this message, please post on my talk page, because I don't follow (or generally even post on) "flow" talk pages. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

RMaung (WMF) 17:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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Rosiestep (talkcontribs)

Hi Gerard, I'd like every Women in Red "event/editathon" to have its own unique Wikidata item. Include the property "belongs to wikiproject" = WikiProject Women in Red. (Same for the redlists). Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Women_in_Red


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