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Sourcing from wikipedia categories

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Sapphorain (talkcontribs)

If you source from a wikipedia category, please specify from which page: there are occasionally more than a hundred WP pages on a given person. Besides, it is never necessary to source from Wikipedia: either the information is not sourced there, and then it has nothing to do on Wikidata, or it is correctly sourced there, and then why not simply provide the source on Wikidata also? The problem with Wikipedia categories is that most of the times they are sourced nowhere in the article. So you end up with circular references.

Regarding the assertion on Leonhard Euler you sourced from the English Wikipedia, it happens that it is currently sourced there by a dead link. I put a tag on it, and if no valid reference is provided, I will erase the category on Wikipedia, and the assertion imported from it on Wikidata.

Oh, one more thing: I am not loosing your time, you are loosing mine, by insisting in providing invalid references. ~~~~


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GerardM (talkcontribs)

Sorry that the world you live in is not as tidy as you like. Sources in automated processes do not happen. Your approach of concentrating on single items is fine, however I do not look at them that way. There are many processes that import data from Wikipedias any and all of them.

Dead links were not dead on the day they were included so that is your bad luck. Try the wayback when machine.

<grin> I do not insist on references, you do </grin>

Sapphorain (talkcontribs)

I have now referenced the assertion in Wikidata which you inserted without any verifiable valid source (and the reference is now independent of Wikidata and Wikipedia; I think this should in principle be done in all cases).

Any assertion must be backed by a verifiable source. If it is just imported from the English Wikipedia, and if there it is not sourced by a valid reference, it is not verifiable.

So it should not be imported.

And if it is imported anyway, it should be erased.

And this is most efficiently done by reverting.

And if it annoys you I couldn’t care less: otherwise a circular reference without any justification is allowed to stay. I will revert you again if a similar situation occurs.

So please do check, at least after I revert you the first time, that what you imported from Wikipedia is correctly sourced there.

GerardM (talkcontribs)

No, and hell no.

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Tagishsimon (talkcontribs)
GerardM (talkcontribs)

Hoi,

FYI I have been working on districts based on the Wikipedia articles and added members of parliament.

Tagishsimon (talkcontribs)
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Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

My apologies if this is a duplicate message for you, it is being sent to multiple lists which you may be signed up for.

Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 January or Thursday, 10 January 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

  1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
  2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
  3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)
The previous message from today says captions will be released in November in the text. January is the correct month. My apologies for the potential confusion. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Sturban (talkcontribs)

In enwp it is stated that this governor attended Lousiana State Uni, however, according to bios/pageon nga.org he went to Tulane Uni. I can not find anything hat verifies the Lousiana State University claim outside of Wikipedia. I am after changing the claim on the WD record to become Tulane University, but you might be able to clarify and/or correct one way or the other since you added it to WD in the first place.

Kind Regards

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Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Fall 2018 edition

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

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  • The documentation for batch uploads of files to Wikimedia Commons will be improved in 2019, as part of preparing for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons. To prepare, the GLAM team at the Wikimedia Foundation wants to understand better which types of documentation you already use, and how you like to learn new GLAM-Wiki skills and knowledge. Fill in a short survey to provide input!
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Marcus Cyron (talkcontribs)

You've needed 18 minutes - and you created this a week ago: . Who is Charlotte Feinmann? Is she more than the mother of Jess Wade, a person of her own? Nobody knows, because once more GerardM had no desire to do any reasonable work even in the beginning. To whom should the data framework bring something. To recognize who is meant was just luck, was to handle just because of one defining data piece.

I needed 10 minutes more (inclouding a Google search) - now there is this: . Was not hard work. But OK, I'm not the first and ofcourse it's harder to collect edits if you really look for valide data.

If I worked like that, I would really be ashamed of myself.

GerardM (talkcontribs)

Hoi,

REALLY be ashamed of yourself because you want to saddle others up with your priorities and shame them in submission. You are aggressive in your ways and and if anything your have to consider where we are. At this time Wikidata is able to recognise something like 6 to 8% of errors in lists in Wikipedia and they do not care. I have in indicated how we can improve the quality of Wikidata and we do not care. I have indicated how we can suggest new articles missing in Wikipedia and we do not care. Well Marcus Cyron, I do not care.

It was a tweet by Jess Wade that made this connection. I googled for Mrs Feinmann to get some pertinent data on her. When you REALLY look at Mrs Feinmann, you will find that according to Jess Wade she is someone she aspires to emulate; she has such a number of citations.. But you will not have seen it and I do not care.

KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)

Wat agressief (en onzorgvuldig) taalgebruik betreft zijn Marcus en jij aardig aan elkaar gewaagd (no pun intended) Punt is hier de relevantie van mevrouw Feinmann, min of meer aangetoond door Marcus met een link en vooral beroep. Dat laatste maakt iemand van belang voor onze lezers. Toch voldoet deze dame (nog?) niet aan de "eis" dat ze genoemd wordt in een Wikimediaproject dus over haar "wikiwaardigheid" kunnen we nog een boom opzetten. Zal ik niet doen, want ik heb in deze al een keer mijn neus gestoten. Het leuke was hier dat de "geportretteerde" zichzelf niet relevant vond ;-D Willen jullie beiden nu stoppen met kibbelen en "gewoon" weer aan 't werk gaan? Alvast dank en collegiale groeten. Een heel plezierig weekeinde, beste heren!

GerardM (talkcontribs)

Ook jij hebt dus niet echt gekeken want er zijn nu al een aantal van haar publicaties aan haar gelinkt. Voor WikiCite en dus Wikidata volstaat daarmee al de notabiliteit. Er valt dus geen boom op te zetten.

Verder weet Jess Wade dat haar moeder gelinkt is ook dat een deel van haar publicaties op Wikidata gelinkt zijn. Dat werd met waardering op Twitter gedeeld (slechts een detail in deze).

Wat jij kibbelen noemt is het soort gedrag waardoor ik afgehaakt ben in veel discussies. Het gaat eigenlijk alleen over het eigen gelijk en de rechtvaardiging van stokpaardjes. Ik doe niet mee aan taxonomie omdat de wetenschap van de taxonomie geen rol speelt het is uitsluitend een afspiegeling die een afgeleide is van wat men in Wikipedia schrijft. Geloof me als ik zeg dat ik een historie heb met taxonomie.

Beste Klaas, ik stel dat we niet geinteresseerd zijn in het grote plaatje... bedenk dat het verwijt hier alleen is dat Wikidata een Wiki is en dat ik niet dat ene stukje ook wil doen. Noem het gekibbel en je verlaagt het niveau.

KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)

Het niveau van jullie onenigheid was m.i. al beneden alle peil. Zodra twee of meer mensen elkaar iets verwijten loop je een niet geringe kans dat het gierend uit de klauwen gaat lopen.

Wikiquote (dat is toch de officiële naam en niet Wikicite of heb ik iets gemist?) is nog niet gelinkt in het lemma van mevrouw Feinmann. Zojuist haar achternaam - die ze met twee Argentijnen deelt - als lemma toegevoegd geef ik mezelf maar een keer een schouderklopje als je me niet euvel duidt.

Ik geloof je graag dat je je ooit met taxonomie hebt beziggehouden. Een kenmerkend verschil tussen jou en mij is dat ik daar (nog) steeds als een trein mee doorga 8-))

We zien je overigens veel te weinig meer op een van je geesteskindjes OmegaWiki. Ka me niet voorstellen dat ik de enige bureaucraat ben die je node mist daar; gelukkig komen we elkaar elders vaak genoeg tegen.

GerardM (talkcontribs)

Dat het niveau niet beter wordt na een inzet zoals die van Marcus.. Ja je hebt het een en ander gemist.. ongeveer de helft van de data in Wikidata (google eens op Wikicite..)

Dat je mevrouw Feinmann een paar extra statements geeft fijn. Ik heb een proces in gang gezet dat ooit zo'n 200 publicaties aan haar koppelt. Dat proces is uitermate traag denk weken en geen uren.

Dat jij je met taxonomie bezighoudt.. uitstekend. Ik maak geen ruzie, denk er het mijne van en hou me bezig met citaten en publicaties, Africa en Islamitische geschiedenis. Kenmerkend is dat ik me bezighou met zaken waar we structureel te kort in komen.

GerardM (talkcontribs)
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Where can you find the results of Source MetaData?

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Summary by Trilotat

I figured it out. Sorry for the bother.

Trilotat (talkcontribs)

Greetings. I think you use Source MetaData. I have only done a few batches, but I cannot find what resulted from the input. I see nothing added to my Contributions. I see nothing in the articles that should be related to the info I loaded. One of the batches, 20181010142459, had maybe 10 ISBNs, but I cannot find any of that info. I'm sure I'm looking in the wrong place.

Does it go into another wiki, e.g. WikiSource or something? I cannot tell. Thanks.-~~~~

Makhmur District / Jabal Sultān ‘Abd Allah

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Ajashton (talkcontribs)
KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)

Wat is een "distroct", beste Gerard? Verder geef ik Ajashton gelijk dat het samenvoegen van een district [hoogstwaarschijnlijk is dat bedoeld] en een heuvel/berg (waar ligt de grens eigenlijk @De Geo?) voor leken op het gebied van geografie/topologie wat apart is. Zo zie je dat je met samenvoegen hier op Wikidata voorzichtiger moet zijn dan op Wikipedia waar het veelal het werk van - in elk geval is aan te raden in samenwerking met - (materie)deskundigen, vandaar dat ik collega De Geo heb gepingd.

Je mag m.i. wel samenvoegen: Q37748549 en Q2425962 tenzij er twee rivieren in Rusland zijn die Kova heten, maar dat lijkt me stug.

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Nilesh shukla (talkcontribs)

there were already 3 data page with same name "Vattiyoorkavu". 2 of them were empty, so i cleared both because it was making confusion. is there smthing wrong with that?

GerardM (talkcontribs)

Yes, the right way to do so is to merge them. Also 3 pages with the same name do not mean that they are about the same thing. One can be a town, the other a constituency for local and the other for national elections.

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