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Please accept my congratulations with reelection. Welcome back.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Swedish Districts on WikiDataEdit

Here I have a Google Sheet with the proposal of descriptions for the several languages/Swedish districts. Can you have a look, and let me know if you would have any suggestion to make it even better then this, before I do an actual run where I write the changes? Edoderoo (talk) 12:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Some details. Swedish (sv) is "distrikt" not "district". And I am not so sure about the Danish (da). "distriktet i Malmö kommun, Sverige" looks like it has a definite article attached to distriktet (the district). See the text in da:Staffanstorps distrikt. "Staffanstorps distrikt bliver fra 1. januar 2016 et folkebogføringsdistrikt i Staffanstorps kommun ...". (But I am not sure if it is a native Dane who has written that text.) That imply that you maybe should write "distrikt" in Danish too, but I would prefer to here any better in Danish than me to review that!
Otherwise it looks good (But I am not at all familiar with some of these languages.) The irregular genitive case in some Swedish municipality-names looks fully correct. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 14:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I'll change the code for Swedish, and will see to catch a native Danish speaker to have a look as well. I will let you know once the sheet is updated for another review. Edoderoo (talk) 15:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Made some changes, already got remarks on the Danish description from the people on #wikipedia-da ... it should be kommune instead of kommun, can you check the SV-descriptions now? I have also dropped some of the tricky languages for now. Edoderoo (talk) 19:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
(Ib here) Yes, the Swedish looks fine now! You then maybe should forget about Danish at all. Does #wikipedia-da write "Eslöv kommune" or "Eslövs kommune", "Falun kommune" or "Faluns kommune" or "Falu kommune"? If they do not follow the titles of the articles on dawp, it is probably to much job to derive the Danish names of 290 different "kommunes" by hand when we who are not Danes ourself. -- 21:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
The job is running now. It will take a few hours to finish, then I'll upload the logfile to Google Sheets. Edoderoo (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Now it's completely finished. The logfile is at in case anyone is interested in the changes. Some items were written multiple times, and are therefor multiple times in the log file. I had to start the script a few times to get it to the end. Edoderoo (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Ett stort tack! (Many thanks!) -- Innocent bystander (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
It was a nice way to sharpen my python skills. Edoderoo (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Landskap and British countiesEdit

Did you come to a satisfactory conclusion over a field for Swedish provinces? British traditional counties (or historic counties) are in a similar position - geographical entities a thousand years old with no administrative functions. I could say the same for Norwegian distrikter.

There has been some ill-tempered politics on English Wikipedia about the use of the counties: should a town be described by its traditional county or an administrative one? In Northern Ireland one only uses the traditional county, never the administrative district, while elsewhere it may depend on preference (or how old you are). A database is neutral on that issue and we could for any town or village include a data field for the traditional county.

No, I have not found any satisfactory solution. In the meantime I add both municipality and province in P131. My opinion has drifted toward adding all levels in P131, not only the closest above. That is in conflict with some basic principles here. My opinion is that the very base for that principle is missing. There is no simple hierarchy here and has never been.
Currently, I do not have the time to edit or getting involved in any discussions. Normally I work only part time. But in this time of year, I work night and day. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


Hi. Robotskapade Bulgarienartiklar where is written "är ett distrikt i Bulgarien" are in fact about villages? I see many homonymous "distrikt i Bulgarien" sv-articles in pairs with articles about Bulgarian villages in other wikipedias and I'm not sure to merge such items or not. Some examples en:Austa & sv:Austa, en:Vinevo & sv:Vinevo, ro:Zlatopole & sv:Zlatopole. --XXN, 00:09, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

@XXN: How familiar are you with the administrative divisions of Bulgaria?
Geonames ID 6461102 Austa is about a "third order administrative division". I do not know if "village" is a "third order administrative division" in Bulgaria (or an administrative division at all). In Sweden a village is today a populated place, but in the 19th century it was an administrative division.
It is common that there is both "an administrative division" and "a populated place" with the same name. And on svwiki such articles will not be merged. @Lsj:. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 06:24, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
NB! There is a Geonames-ID about a populated place with the name 733595 Austa! There should then probably exist two Wikidata-items about Austa, Bulgaria. But which Geonames-ID the village-article is related to is still an open question. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 06:30, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Hmmm... I thinked I know well territorial-administrative organization of Bulgaria, but today I have read more about this, outside of Wikipedia, and i discovered that between municipality an village there are some other subdivisions named Kmetstvo (Кметство). Seems this is something like a commune (always rural), as it is formed of one or several villages with total population over 100 [1]. Althought kmetstvo is mentioned in website of National Statistical Institute of Bulgaria[2] (in English version they are mentioned as mayoralty), I can't find there some stats on them. These kmetstvo are not mentioned in any wikipedias and there are no articles for such entities in any wikipedia (very strange).
Also, I saw that in Bulgaria exists some entities named "район" (raion)[3], a word translated usually as "district". But these raions/districts are in fact parts of cities/towns, are urban, and are on a higher level than those ~265 municipalities,[4] and most probably are not the same as distrikts in Swedish WP.
We need some native Bulgarian to explain us better; asked Termininja for help. --XXN, 15:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I cannot guarantee that the svwp-translation of the Bulgarian term to "district/distrikt" is correct. (We have found some cases when the bot has used the wrong word to describe the "X'th order administrative division". Bot-created articles are easy to change when we find the right term.) There can even be different terms in different parts of the country. That is not unusual and exists here in Sweden (Q34) too. My main point is that Geonames do not mix "populated place" with "administrative division" and as long as at least one project separates them, we have to do the same thing here. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 17:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
A native Bulgarian at your service. There are 6 regions (look for the column "NUTS 2"), which do not have governors. Each of the six regions has a few provinces, there are 28 provinces in total, which are governed by people appointed by the national government. There are also (apparently, I trust enwiki on that) 265 municipalities, which are governed by mayors (see en:Gorna Malina, which is the centre of a municipality). Gorna Malina is as well a village which shares its mayor ("kmet" in Bulgarian) with the municipality, but there are also villages which are not municipality centres like Bailovo (fetch a book by Elin Pelin, who was born there next time you have time), which have their own mayors ("kmet", again). What you read in the law is that the municipality government can let a village or a set of villages have its own mayor. A village or a set of villages is allowed to have its own mayor if they have a population of at least 100 among other things (this is not interesting for this discussion). So there should be articles about regions, provinces, municipalities, towns/cities, and villages. One can join the articles about a municipality and its main town/city/village if one wishes. There should not be any articles about "kmetstvo"-s. I hope I have managed to clarify the question. --Лорд Бъмбъри (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Another Bulgarian here. Let's take en:Austa as an example. Austa is a "village" which has its own mayor. Austa is part of en:Momchilgrad_Municipality (2nd administrative level). Momchilgrad Municipality has its own mayor who is also mayor of the town Monchilgrad which is the administrative center of the municipality. Momchilgrad Municipality is part of en:Kardzhali_Province (1st administrative level) which has a governor if that matters for the current topic. Today there are 28 provinces and 265 districts. Each of them has administrative center which is town or village. Province centers are usually municipality centers too. In case of Kardzhali there is town of Kardzhali which is administrative center of en:Kardzhali Municipality and en:Kardzhali Province. I would say in this case we have three distinct administrative objects: The town, the municipality and the province. In case when the village or town is administrative center of a municipality they usually share same name and same mayor. Province governor is always different. The notable exception is en:Sofia Capital Municipality which is a province consisting of single municipality, but divided into 24 sub-divisions each of them with their own mayor. I hope that helps. --Сале (talk) 20:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The 6 NUTS-2 regions are statistical units only, with no "governor" or regional council. They only organize the statistical data and the economical planning for the contituting oblasts. Same goes for the raions of city municipalities. The law stipulates that municipalities with more than 100 000 citizen have the right to form such divisions and the mayors of those raions get elected by the population, but their prerogatives are delegated by the "high" mayor of the city municipality and he can overwrite their decisions or even revoke those raion administrations (if the municipality is one of less than 300 000 citizen) at his own discretion. Also mayor of a kmetstvo is semi-dependent in his activities on the mayor of the municipality his kmetstvo is part of. So the hierarchy of territorial divisions in Bulgaria is the following:
  • central government (Prime minister, ministers and ministries, central government agencies)
    • [6 regions, purely planning and statistical units, no administration], consider them means of convenience in the work of the Ministry of regional development.
    • 28 oblasts [districts], the oblast manager or "governor" if you will, is appointed by the Prime minister. He oversees the day to day activities of the central government in his oblast, takes care of government property and his position in the national administration is between that of a minister and a deputy-minister. The oblast manager appoint members to his council, which is purely an advisoring body, with no power whatsoever. There are 28 oblasts, but only 27 oblast managers. Sofia oblast corresponds with the territory of the Greater Sofia municipality and the functions of oblast manager within its boundaries are executed by the oblast manager of Sofiiska oblast.
      • 265 municipalities, each with a mayor and municipal deputies elected by the population.
        • [raion]: The law stipulates, that municipalities with over 300 000 are obliged to form raions as their subdivisions, and a raion must have at least 25 000 citizen. Municipalities of more than 100 000 people can form raions according to the same lines, should their municipal councils choose so. For that reason only the three municipalities, which are obliged by the law actually have raions with their own raion mayors [elected directly by the citizen] and administrations, but those administrations are an extension of the greater municipal administrations of the said cities.
        • [kmetstvo]: Municipalities can form territorial subdivisions from a village or a number of villages with a total population of at least 150 people. As in a raion, the mayor of a kmetstvo is elected directly by the population, but since the small number of people in the kmetstvo, unlike the raions the mayor of a kmetstvo does not have his own administration. In villages with a lesser population the mayor of the municipality can directly appoint a mayoral representative. B.Velikov (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you guys for explanations. So, If I understood right, kmetstvo in fact are not really administrative units, but Geonames has separated entries for them: (1) as administrative units and (2) as human settlements. In these articles there created mostly as about kmetstvos, unlike other wikipedias where they are about villages, so by Wikidata principles it's not recommended to merge such items (Q4072461 & Q21786099; Q2011123 & Q21786892), though personally I'd prefer this option for purposes of better interwiki connection. --XXN, 23:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
"kmetstvo" (literally mayorty, comes from kmet = mayor) is a sub-division of a municipality from a legal and administrative point of view. From a strictly geographical point it is a small village, or småort if you like. Most villages in Bulgaria are kmetstvos, from a legal point of view. Several bigger villages are seats of a municipality themselves, consider this a landskommun. "Kmetstvo" is only used in legal matters. For example the mayor of the municipality issues an order: "I order the mayor of kmetstvo Beli Dol to inform the people, that there will be spraying against insects on xx.xx.xxxx date between xx:xx and xx:xx o'clock." Otherwise we use selo: "Where do you live?" "I live in selo Beli Dol." Or in a police report for example: "The suspects were followed to selo Beli Dol, where most of the stolen goods were found." Hope this helps. B.Velikov (talk) 00:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
@B.Velikov A Swedish "småort" is purely a statistical entity for populated places with a population of 50-199. Statistics Sweden does not look in any way on how the villages are located, they only look at where the people live and the distance between the houses. A Swedish landskommun was a "kind of municipality" until 1970. Until the 1950's they had less administration and tax than other kinds of municipalities like Citys and Market towns had. They often lacked densly populated areas. But when they had such areas, these areas could form a "municipalsamhälle" which gave them extended municipal service in exchange for some tax. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 11:51, 6 March 2016 (UTC)



I'm currently working on the list of language codes available for monolingual text, and as a by-product I'm also trying to get an overview over the language codes requested for labels, descriptions and aliases (terms). I was referred to your request, and I'd like to work on that. For monolingual text, I would like to see an actual real-world use-case for sv-fi as per Help:Monolingual text languages. So, if you have a statement you cannot currently create on, please create it, use mis as language code, add a qualifier with Property:P2439 and Q1461092 as value and reference it accordingly. That way I can easily understand what you need it for. As for terms, we haven't completely figured out what our requirements for them are. You can follow that on phab:T127935, if you are interested. Adrian Heine (WMDE) (talk) 10:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Adrian Heine (WMDE): I can currently do not see any use for sv-fi in Monolingual text. When there is only one name for something (which claims based on monolingual name imply), sv is probably enough. We normally do not say that the Swedish name of "Helsinki" is East-Swedish. It is simply Swedish, nothing else. Others maybe find such situations, but I cannot now and here see such use. But in labels and aliases, there would really be helpful if I could add "maskinpistol" as a sv-fi-label to submachine gun (Q178550). Only adding it as a sv-alias does not describe it as a East-Swedish.
Here where I live, there are many place-names from the Same-languages. Wikibase currently (as far as I know) only support North sami and South sami. It would be helpful to have Ume Sami (Q56415), Pite Sami (Q56314), Lule Sami (Q56322), and that only for places here in Sweden. To be able to add only Sámi (Q56463) would also be helpful, since we do not always know which Same-language is used. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 10:43, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your quick response :) I asked for specific examples for the Sami languages in phab:T74590; can you provide some? As for sv-fi, I added it to phab:T127935, so we will look into adding it for terms. Adrian Heine (WMDE) (talk) 11:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
@Adrian Heine (WMDE): I have now added one example for Umesami in Hälla (Q13106534). My problem here is that I do not know if Hïella is South sami (which we have) or Ume sami (which we have not). But it is probably located far too south to be Pite sami. These languages all look like yibberish to me. Ume and South sami are related, so it could be both. The present source does not tell which kind of Sami it is. It only tell "Sami". The problem is that there is no mutual understanding between North and South sami. Those two languages have been separated for at least 2000 years and maybe for so long as 3000 years. That is much more distant than German is from English. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 17:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Probably not much of a source, but this tumblr says it's Southern Sami. It really seems to be on the border in File:Sami_languages_large.png (not that I know how accurate this map is). Adrian Heine (WMDE) (talk) 10:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@Adrian Heine (WMDE): Have to be careful with such sources, since they not always separates Ume sami as a separate language from Southern sami. They are closely related and both have today very few speakers. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 11:43, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Module:Interwiki on MetaEdit

I'm thinking it may be time to port this to Meta. In general, when pages are translated through the medium of subpages (like m:Flood flag), the subpage (like m:Flood flag/es) doesn't have iw links. Any thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:25, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, I guess you can use it when you know the id of the main Flood flag-page. But there is (today) no way for the module to automatically on the page "Flood flag/es" identify the qid of the "Flood flag"-page. That qid has to be added manually. Since it is the same qid in all languages, that is maybe not a big issue. But is arbitrary access available on meta:? It is required for the module to work. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Arbitrary access is available; I did a little experiment to confirm.
This is potentially a big job in practice. I think after I port over the module and see that it works on one series of pages I may reach out to someone like User:Nikki to see if someone can create a bot to do some of the work. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
If you have a few minutes, can you have a look at the ported module (m:Module:Interwiki) and see if it requires some tweaking that I'm not aware of? I tried to run it from m:Meta:Flood flag/es without any luck.
I could only edit that page through the translation extension, and I wondered if that just wasn't a valid way to insert the code into that page. So as a little exercise, I tried calling the module from my own userpage, using |qid=Q16503, which is the entry for project chat/café/village pump pages. That effort showed the iw links as body text filling in my user page, rather than displaying as language links in the left-hand navigation bar. The same thing happened when I did that at m:Meta:Flood flag.
Thanks in advance for your help. StevenJ81 (talk) 02:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: If you take a look into my userpage on meta, it is now both filled with the module and the iw-links in plain text. It then does not look like it works to add interwiki by the help of the old method. Adding [[xyz:Pagename]] to the page isn't supported on meta. And that (adding plain text-iw-links) is what the module does. So the Q is how do you add interwiki to meta, except for by the help of Wikidata? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 06:24, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
I think the only thing likely to work is to put in a request at phabricator that on Meta, language subpages pass through the interwiki links from their parent page. And it's probably not going to be a high priority request. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I guess that could be requested for every multi-language-project?
@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): Should this be regarded as a Wikibase client issue or a Translate issue? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 05:56, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Hmmm probably both. @Hoo man: maybe you can say more? --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 06:48, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't know how these subpages are semantically connected to their "root page", probably only by page title. If there's an easy way for Wikibase to tell whether something is a translation of another page (other than by guessing based on the page title), I think it would be ok for Wikibase to do that kind of linking. If there's no way for Wikibase to tell whether something is a translated subpage of something else, we will probably need to look further here (maybe by implementing that in the Translate Extension). Please create a bug for this (unless there already is one). Cheers, Hoo man (talk) 12:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
@Hoo man: From what I know, these subpages are supposed to be the same page as the main one, but in another language. So semanticly it is the same page. (In practise they can be a completely different page because of use of machin translation, bad updating or translators who do not know the subject. I will never forget how our Oversighters@Wikidata became Probation officers in Swedish.) -- Lavallen (talk) 13:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC) aka Innocent bystander (Sorry for using this account, but I am currrently a Flooder and cannot reply without violating some of our rules.)
That I know, but the question is, how do we (semantically) know about this relationship? Is it tagged somehow by the Translate extension? Cheers, Hoo man (talk) 13:23, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
I imagine it would be necessary in all multi-language projects. As to the appropriate way to implement it, that's way over my head. From my perspective as a user:
  • Let's say I'm on the /sv subpage/translation of a page. (That's a nod to Innocent bystander; I can't actually speak it.) I'd like to see the iw links associated with the base page on other projects and in various-language Wikipedias.
  • As a bonus, if I'm on another project's wiki, and click back through to the page on a multi-language project like Meta or Species, and if my language setting on the multi-language is Swedish, I'd like the link to take me straight to the /sv subpage if it exists. (I'll admit: that's far less important, as long as the "Other languages" box is available on my landing page.)
And despite what he says is the reason, we now know the real source of Innocent bystander's username: He's worried about probation officers watching his every move! (;-) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:50, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
  @StevenJ81: Well, my username comes from the lead character of the film Flushed Away (Q752301). But my job today is actually related to that of a Probation officer. I do not work for the criminal justice, but sometimes for their clients to help them sort out their financial and social difficulties. To do that, I need almost a perfectly clean crime and credit record.
@Hoo man: I see what you mean. What tells that "m:Flood flag/sv" is not a random page unrelated to the "m:Flood flag"-page. This juse like the page en:3D/Biela has nothing to do with en:3D. The first page is about a Comet while the 3D-page is about three-dimensional space. -- 16:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Unneeded blockEdit

Hi, why my bot is still blocked?! I'm already online and the bot is stopped! The idea of the block is the bot to be stopped (if needed) when his creator is not on line, but I'm already informed. --Termininja (talk) 17:00, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

RE:Termininja! Now unblocked. I told you to come to WD:AN when the problems with the bot was solved. I am not onwiki 24/7, but some admin are. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 19:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, but I didn't know what means "the problems with the bot to be solved", and because I don't see any progress in Phabricator I didn't know how much and for what I have to wait. --Termininja (talk) 19:39, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Wikidata user studyEdit

Dear Innocent bystander,
I am a researcher of the Web and Internet Science group of the University of Southampton.
Together with a group of other researchers from the same University, we are currently conducting a research aiming to discover how newcomers become full participants into the Wikidata community. We are interested in understanding how the usage of tools, the relationships with the community, and the knowledge and application of policy norms change from users' first approach to Wikidata to their full integration as fully active participants.
This study will take place as an interview, either by videotelephony, e.g. Skype, phone, or e-mail, according to the preference of the interviewees. The time required to answer all the questions will likely be about an hour. Further information can be found on the Research Project Page Becoming Wikidatians: evolution of participation in a collaborative structured knowledge base.
Any data collected will be treated in the strictest confidentiality, no personal information will be processed for the purpose of the research. The study, which has submission number 20117, has received ethical approval following the University of Southampton guidelines.
We aim at gathering about 20 participants, chosen among experienced Wikidata users who authored a large number of contributions.
Should you be interested in taking part or wish to receive further information, you can contact us by writing to the e-mail address
Thank you very much, your help will be much appreciated!
--Alessandro Piscopo (talk) 22:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


Just to let you know, I moved your comment from Wikidata:Property proposal/SecondHandSongs artist ID to Wikidata:Property proposal/SecondHandSongs song ID, since I had inadvertently changed the former when meaning to create the later. Please check I have reflected your intention correctly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 1 June 2016 (UTC)


Tack. :) /Johan (WMF) (talk) 13:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Ja, jag tyckte det var lite överkurs att behöva efterpatrullera dig! Kanske inte helt enligt alla rglerbökcer, men de är till bör att böjas! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 13:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)



Det verkar ha blivit fel här. Succariebröd är ett bröd, inte en ö i Storbritannien. /MikaelLindmark (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm, märkligt, använde Autolist här, kan inte riktigt begripa varför det bidde så? Sökkriteriet var P31-fria objekt i en kategori om brittiska öar...-- Innocent bystander (talk) 19:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


Det blev visst lite galet på sina ställen. ([5], [6], etc) /ℇsquilo 06:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Man kan alltså inte lita på Autolist! (Suck) -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
@Infovarius, Esquilo, MikaelLindmark: I have gone through all yesterdays edits, and reverted myself everywhere I have added "instance of:Island" (I hope). I can have missed a few edits, but I do not think/hope so. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 13:28, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

P2959 in moduleEdit

Hi. I could easily enough edit the module to use permanent duplicated item (P2959) instead of said to be the same as (P460). What I thought would be better is if the hierarchy were

  1. (highest priority) Explicit statement of qid in call
  2. Use P2959 if present
  3. Use P460 if present

...and I don't think I can do that. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:24, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

RE:StevenJ81: I'll take a look into it! -- Innocent bystander (talk) 15:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
RE: StevenJ81: I think it is solved on ladwiki and svwiki now. I tested in the lad-he-article about Wikipedia and it looked like it works. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 15:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
It does, but you hadn't given it a proper test. The WD item for the lad-hebr page (Q3890886) had added "instance of Wikipedia duplicated item", but still contained P460. So I replaced P460 with P2959, and then tested it, and it worked. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:49, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I added permanent duplicated item (P2959):Earth (Q2), instead of Wikipedia (Q52) (which changed the interwiki to being about the planet instead), and I had already tested this code in other pages on svwiki, so I was pretty sure it should work. I simply added a lookup of P2959 between the qid-lookup and the P460-lookup, so it wasn't rocket science. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not a coder, though, and I wasn't sure I'd get the nesting right. Thanks very much! StevenJ81 (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Peter Nguyễn Văn HùngEdit

I Loves Peter Nguyen Van Hung, He is a Vietnamese Freedom Fighter! -- 16:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

And what is the question? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
-- 16:30, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Do You have contact with him could Facebook, He understood English. -- 16:39, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but that has nothing to do with my action. You were edit warring in an item and I protected it. It doesn't matter what the item is about, you are still not supposed to edit warring. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 16:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, This guy on enwiki is banned from editing and there is a long term abuse in regards to it. In fact, the main page has a 30 day and 500 edit requirement for the page. MechQuester (talk) 16:58, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
We are here not bound by the decisions made on enwiki, at least not when the edits do not directly affect enwiki (it is in fact ruwiki sitelinks the recent edit war here is about). If it is a global abuse you would like to report, you can do that on meta. A local thread is now open at WD:AN if you would like to see a more aggressive action here. As it looks now, I am pleased with the semi-protect. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I thank you for your comments. :) Have a good day! MechQuester (talk) 19:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Croatian electionsEdit

Hi, Thanks for reverting my edit on the Croatian election. I don't quite get how partial elections (my understanding of your revert) should be handled.

--Teolemon (talk) 09:41, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

If there is a partial election as of 2016 in Croatia, it probably needs an item of its own. Saying that the next election will be the same as the last one, makes a strange loop. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 09:45, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Actually, no missing item. It was just the last election having a Next with a Redirection to itself…

Caught a couple of other of those. --Teolemon (talk) 09:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


Hello Innocent bystander.

Could you please explain why you refused to delete this entry ? You didn't give any reason, so I don't understand. The entry seems empty. Shouldn't empty entries be deleted ? Did I misunderstand something ?

Thank you for your time. --Titlutin (talk) 13:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

@Titlutin: Well, Wikidata:Notability point 2 says: "It refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity. The entity must be notable, in the sense that it can be described using serious and publicly available references." etc. Since the item has properties like VIAF ID (P214), IdRef ID (P269), Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268) I interpreted it like the item can be kept here. That does not mean that we have to keep it. If you insist, I can delete it. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 13:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. I hadn't read this page. I won't be upset if it's not deleted, i just wanted to understand why you refused in the first place. I'll let you take the final decision, if you want to keep it, it's alright with me. Regards --Titlutin (talk) 14:12, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I cannot see that it pollutes the dataset here, so I have no problems with keeping it. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 14:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Ersatt av eller följs avEdit

Låter rimligt att Västra Götaland ersatte Älvsborg. Jag försökte bara att följa konventionen. Exempel: Malmöhus län följdes av Skåne. Det fanns i själva verket inget svenskt län med statement "ersattes av". Men nu vet jag! Jochumzen (talk) 19:20, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Antarctic Treaty AreaEdit

Hi Innocent bystander,

I noticed you have been editing items in the field. You might want to participate in the discussion at Property_talk:P17#Proposal_for_solution_II. There is also another US favored approach.
--- Jura 00:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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