Jahl de Vautban

On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2025.

Welcome to Wikidata, Jahl de Vautban!

Wikidata is a free knowledge base that you can edit! It can be read and edited by humans and machines alike and you can go to any item page now and add to this ever-growing database!

Need some help getting started? Here are some pages you can familiarize yourself with:

• Introduction – An introduction to the project.
• Wikidata tours – Interactive tutorials to show you how Wikidata works.
• Community portal – The portal for community members.
• User options – including the 'Babel' extension, to set your language preferences.
• Contents – The main help page for editing and using the site.
• Project chat – Discussions about the project.
• Tools – A collection of user-developed tools to allow for easier completion of some tasks.

Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask on Project chat. If you want to try out editing, you can use the sandbox to try. Once again, welcome, and I hope you quickly feel comfortable here, and become an active editor for Wikidata.

Best regards! --Epìdosis 01:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Infolettre WikiL@b • Février 2025

Bonjour,

Un nouveau numéro de l'infolettre WikiL@b est disponible.

Bonne lecture !

À propos • Se désabonner • Pour l'équipe : Pierre-Yves Beaudouin 09:11, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Infolettre WikiL@b • Mars 2025

Bonjour,

Un nouveau numéro de l'infolettre WikiL@b est disponible. Bonne lecture !

À propos • Se désabonner • Pour l'équipe : Pierre-Yves Beaudouin 10:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Fasti - Fastorum ?

Bonjour @Jahl de Vautban,

Que diriez-vous de Fastorum libri ? (par ex: https://archive.org/details/fastorumlibrivio00oviduoft). En effet, dessources parlent parfois de Fastorum et ce serait un synonyme pertinent.

User:Pmartinolli Pmartinolli (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Bonjour @Pmartinolli:, je pense qu'il faudrait même aller jusqu'à Fastorum libri VI (littéralement les six livres des Fastes) ; Fastorum tout seul n'a pas de sens grammaticalement, mais en complément d'un mot au nominatif il n'y a pas de problème. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 18:54, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Parfait, merci! Pmartinolli (talk) 21:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Laberius Priscus (Q12275990)

Hello. I removed the Bernard Rémy reference (revision 2340987958) and replaced it with Werner Eck's on the (mistaken?) assumption that the latter superseded the former. I think it's fair to say Laberius Priscus's consulate year was in fact 142, not the year that was previously stated. But, of course, I'm don't mind being wrong, if that's the case. And I always welcome feedback on my contributions. I know I have much to learn, and would be grateful to receive advice from experts. Thank you. Sarcanon (talk) 16:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

@Sarcanon: hello, first of all good work in identifying the duplicate! I missed it due to the label being Lucius instead of Gaius. What I have indeed reverted is the removal of described by source (P1343)Les carrières sénatoriales dans les provinces romaines d'Anatolie au Haut-Empire (Q131987583), not as a reference but as a main claim: even if the information given by Rémy's is superseded, that fact that his book describes that person is still true and useful. This being said, you were right in deleting the claim of his consulship in 149, as I realised afterward while reading Eck's (I then also removed the reference to Rémy's): the alternative would have been to keep a claim with the date at 149 with a deprecated rank, however I don't see it as really satisfactory, as what is obsolete is not that he was a suffect consul, but that he assumed this position at another date. We sadly don't have a way to deprecate qualifiers and to link references to specific qualifiers, so in cases like this it's probably better to just delete the older reference and to adjust the claim. On a side note, the date of his legation is probably obsolete as well now and should be prior his consulship, but without a source referencing it I prefer not to change the dates. Are the reasons of my revert clearer? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that's very clear, thank you. I should not have deleted the Rémy reference without actually checking it (as I don't have it to hand). Sarcanon (talk) 17:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

@Sarcanon: if needed, you can access it online at https://www.persee.fr/doc/anatv_1013-9559_1989_mon_2_1. (I have also answered your email) --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:22, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Infolettre WikiL@b • Avril 2025

Bonjour,

Un nouveau numéro de l'infolettre WikiL@b est disponible. Bonne lecture !

À propos • Se désabonner • Pour l'équipe : Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:39, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Duplicate?

Hi Jahl, do you know why Q19993424 links to two people? I can't dig into this right now. Also, if you could take a look at the newest topics under s:de:Diskussion:Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft that would be much appreciated. It would be good to get some solutions so that the bot can help us in the future. (I stumbled upon the aforementioned double main subject by checking the bots latest edits). Best, --Tolanor (talk) 14:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

@Tolanor: hello, yes the history is pretty clear: I changed the main subject from Quintus Pompeius Senecio Sosius Priscus (Q343780) to Publius Cassius Dexter Augus[tanus Alpin]us Bellicius Sollers Metilius [...]us Rutilianus (Q132776205) in February, because the subject is the person mentioned in CIL V 3337, who is explicitely said not to be the consul of 169 ("so ist er wohl älter als dieser"). Then a bot added again the first person, presumably because the link to the consul of 169 was hardcoded in Wikisource. I have removed the hardcoded link and the second main subject claim in Bellicius 5 (Pauly-Wissowa) (Q19993424), it should be better now. I shall read the Wikisource discussion during the week. Good evening, --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

So to be clear: Quintus Pompeius Senecio Sosius Priscus (Q343780) and Publius Cassius Dexter Augus[tanus Alpin]us Bellicius Sollers Metilius [...]us Rutilianus (Q132776205) are not duplicates. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:51, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for checking, that solves it! Best, --Tolanor (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2025 (UTC)