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Dictionary of Welsh Biography totalEdit

We have the DWB ID on 4168 items. Do you have a theory about many there should be in all? The website says over 5,000 biographies, but there can be more than one person to a page, so that's not conclusive. The reason I ask is that I have just come across a "missing" person, Thomas Williams (Q21166419). Charles Matthews (talk) 12:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Charles I know that a substantial number of entries were not deemed relevant to Wiki data as they covered whole families rather than individuals. These were sifted out when it went through mix and match. Also, I presume that the Wikidata was created from a snapshot of the database several years ago? - New entries are being added at a rate of about 1 a week. I haven't been able to get an exact number of entries but i am assured it is around 5000. Thanks for your continued interest in this data set. Jason.nlw (talk) 16:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

On first point: the "N/A" part of the set is effectively empty (just one entry in there). So DWB wasn't filtered into there.

My concern, such as it is, is that for the ODNB it seems a couple of percent was lost before the set got into mix'n'match. The missing stuff is coming to light, but gradually: right now it is on my mind.

Probably that was some sort of "bot hiccups": an intermittent fault in scraping, right at the outset. The missing data is spread right across the set, in singletons or clusters of two or three.

I wasn't aware that any other set had the same problems (there are usually multiple explanations, though). For DWB, less than 10% of the size of ODNB, some solution or check might look more reasonable.

Charles Matthews (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, that's interesting. Let me know if there is anything we can do from the NLW - It would be good to get as much of the Dictionary as possible on to Wikidata. By the way, are Wikidata Edit-a-thon will take place on the 24th of November and will focus on adding gender, birth place, death place ect.. to the DWB Wikidata Jason.nlw (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


The new kind of info on User:Magnus Manske/Mix'n'match report is turning up anomalies. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Charles Matthews. I'm afraid i'm not completely sure what you mean by new kind of info? Jason.nlw (talk) 15:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Use of inventory number (P217)Edit

Hi Jason.nlw,

At Q24027437, you added the property without specifying the collection/inventory it applies to (the mandatory qualifier mentioned on Property_talk:P217).

Unless the ship is part of a museum collection, I'm not even sure if this is the ideal property. If you are using it for the identifier mentioned at Wikidata:Property_proposal/References#Official ship number, you might want to re-activate your proposal.
--- Jura 08:17, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jura , Yes, I wasn't getting any consensus with my proposal for a new property, and time constraints meant i needed to push ahead and upload the collection. The inventory number on each item is relevant to the Aberystwyth Shipping Records collection Q23927955 found on each item under P1343. Should the is be added as a collection to each item? - and if so, whats the best tool for doing that? I appreciate any thoughts you have on improving this deta. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 11:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Well, it's probably a good thing that you already included some of the data. It does take at least a week even if everyone agrees. It seems to me that most concerns against creation had been addressed, but the proposal could be slightly improved to include the input received. Looking at Q23930837 from the proposal, it seems that the number is the official British ship registration number, not the inventory number of that collection. It should be just 5 or 6 clicks to convert this to a new property.
--- Jura 12:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jason, the list at Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P217 keeps growing because you keep (ab)using inventory number (P217). I'm not happy about this. You're making a mess and hindering other users. I'm considering just deleting these items as not notable as it seems these items are just dumped here and left to rot. Multichill (talk) 14:08, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@Multichill: Thanks for your message. I am sorry that you feel i am abusing inventory number (P217). That is not my intention. As you will see above, i did propose the creation of a new property to describe the ships official number - a registration number which applied to all 19th century British merchant ships, but the only clear response i got was to use inventory number (P217). If i have used it incorrectly, please advise as to how it should be used in this case. Please DO NOT delete these items. If you check their history you will see that they were significantly enriched about 4 weeks ago, and new ships have just been added. These items were uploaded in agreement with the Ships Wikidata project and as part of a Wikimedia UK residency project. I am currently planning 4 volunteer projects to further enrich this data and have used the data-set to advocate Wikidata at major GLAM/Tech conferences. The data has been featured on BBC Radio Cymru and a visualisation recently featured as OpenStreetMap's 'Image of the week'. I hope you will agree that the data has definitely NOT been left to rot. I am happy to work with you and others to ensure the data conforms to standards, so please let me know what i need to do. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 18:26, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@Multichill: Is this how i should be using inventory number (P217) or should i be trying again to create a new property? The official ship number was a kind of registration number for each ship and these numbers were used in various administrative papers and shipping lists. However the ship its self is not part of a museum/archive collection. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 12:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
For now catalog code (P528) with qualifier catalog (P972) seems to be the best option. See for example User:Multichill/Paintings by Vincent van Gogh where it's used a lot. Switching to a dedicated property can always be done later. Multichill (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Ok thanks. I will try and make the changes as soon as possible Jason.nlw (talk) 13:13, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi Multichill I am just using quick statements to add the Catalog Code Property as suggested, However, i do not know of an easy way to delete the Inventory property from all 600 items without having to do it manually. Do you know the best way to do this? Best Jason.nlw (talk) 16:13, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
I think you should be able to do that with petscan. Yes, that works. I did this query:
SELECT ?item ?inv WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P217 ?inv .
  ?item wdt:P1343 wd:Q27867974 .
  ?item wdt:P528 []
  }
Try it! and added it to petscan. I checked the first item and put "-P217" in the box and that works. Multichill (talk) 17:44, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Multichill. I'm running that now and it seems to be working fine. Thanks for your help and your patience. Jason.nlw (talk) 09:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you for cleaning this up. I'm not entirely sure why one followed an dubious advice to use it initially, but the new solution seems fine.
--- Jura 13:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm a bit puzzled by Badminton Estate Map Volume 3 (Q23058075). You added the handle as the inventory number. I'm sure that's wrong, but what is the right inventory number for that work? I think it's "1446088", but the page and the manifest aren't very clear about that. Can you ask around? Multichill (talk) 12:13, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

HiMultichill, yes well spotted. The handle is not the inventory number. The actual physical item's call number (or shelf mark) is simply 'Badminton Map Vol. 3' - Not technically a number, but if you are happy i will add it in. On a completely different topic, i wonder whether you might be able to help with a bot request i have had in for some time? This Dictionary of Welsh Biography data will fill in missing En and Cy labels and add birth and death dates to over 4000 items. Is this something your bot could do, or is there another easy way of getting this data in? I have considered Quickstatements, but it would overwrite existing labels, dates ect - which we don't want. The only other option for a non techi person like me would be to runs lots of Sparql queries to identify the gaps in the data and upload only relevant data with Quickstatments but it would be fairly time consuming. What do you think? Cheers Jason.nlw (talk) 12:26, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Ship masses editsEdit

Hi! I have noticed you did a number of edits with regard to various ships, and set mass without units, attaching qualifier "measured by (P1880) gross register ton (Q752079)." The problem is that mass (P2067) generally should have a unit. I am trying to figure out if it's possible to add units, and which units should be used in such case. A bit confusing part is that gross register ton (Q752079) is listed as unit of volume, so I am not sure how it can be used to measure mass. Could you shed some light on what is going on and in which units those mass numbers are? Thanks a lot! Laboramus (talk) 05:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Laboramus, Thanks for your message. Firstly, I uploaded these ships to Wikidata using quick statements which didn't seem to have anyway of adding the optional unit type - which pops up automatically on a manual edit using property volume as quantity (P2234) - Volume as Quantity. See example. So i had to find another way of expressing the value. Secondly - It should be volume not mass. This is my mistake! I can replace mass with volume using Quick statements but with about 500 ships in total, and no coding skills i am not really sure how to reformat the information correctly as per the example. If you have any advice i would be keen to get this fixed. Many thanks Jason.nlw (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer! I think I can change mass to volume for these ones with a script. I'll try and write if it worked. Laboramus (talk) 17:37, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Great! Thank you for your help. Jason.nlw (talk) 06:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I've run the script and the statements should be migrated now. Please see and tell me if you notice any problems. Laboramus (talk) 20:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Laboramus, Ive checked a few of the entries and they look good to me. Many thanks for your help with this. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 08:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Pedrog -> Saint PedrocEdit

@Jason.nlw: Haia! Dw i'n gweld fod y label Cymraeg 'Pedrog' wedi'i newid i 'Saint Pedroc' ac yna'r disgrifiad Cymraeg 'sant a thywysog Cymreig' wedi'i newid i 'SAINT' gen ti. Ydy hyn wedi digwydd i enwau eraill a nodir yn Bywgraffiadur, lle ceir fersiwn Saesneg i'r enw? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@Llywelyn2000: Helo! Er mwyn sicrhau bod label a disgrifiad Cymraeg ar gyfer pob person sydd yn rhan o'r Bywg mi wnes i llwytho'r cwbl gan defnyddio'r label (teitl/enw) a'r disgrifiad sydd yn ymddangos yn y Bwygraffiadur, ond wrth gwrs mae'n posib bod un neu ddau eitem efo disgrifiad waeth oherwydd hyn. Fi'n hapus i chi newid unrhyw disgrifiad, ond fi'n credu bod resymau da dros safonu y label efo'r teitl (enw) y person sydd yn ymddangos yn y Bywgraffiadur. Diolch! Jason.nlw (talk) 08:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Safoni, oes. Ond nid gyda'r enw Saesneg. Mae'r enw Cymraeg yn y Bywgraffiadur hefyd. Pan fo gwahaniaeth yn yr enw, dylid defnyddio'r enw Cymraeg ar gyfer label Cymraeg a Saesneg ar gyfer label Saesneg. Bydd angen canfod faint o'r labeli Cymraeg sy'n wahanol, ac ail-lwytho'r rhain gyda Quickstatements. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 08:52, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
@Llywelyn2000: Ye, sori, fi'n gweld y problem nawr. Bydd rhaid i mi ail edrych ar y data sydd gen i a ail lwytho'r holl labeli Cymraeg er mwyn datrys y problem. Yn anffodus does gen i ddim mynediad i'r data am cwpl o wythnosau oherwydd gwyliau ond mi wna'i edrych mewn i hyn asap. Diolch Jason.nlw (talk) 09:00, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Does dim brys, ac mae'n bosib mai ychydig iawn sydd. Mwynha'r gwyliau! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 09:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
@Llywelyn2000, Ham II: Helo! Reit, fi wedi edrych yn ol dros y data gwreiddiol ges i gan y Llyfrgell ac maen tebyg bod dim gwahaniaeth rhwng yr enw Cymraeg a'r enw Saesneg. Felly maen nhw wedi gwneud camgymeriad fynna, oherwydd mae 'na' gwahaniaethau clir efo rhai enwau ar y Bywgraffiadur eu hun. Wrth edrych trwy'r enwau dydw i ddim yn gweld llawer sy'n mynd i fod yn wahanol - ar y cyfan enwau sydd yn cynnwys teitlau fel Syr a Barwn sydd yn wahanol i'r Saesneg - a phethau fel Catrin o Ferain. Felly mae gyda ni dau opsiwn. Galla'i gwneud 'scrape' fy hun o wefan y Bywg i gael y holl enwau Cymraeg ac wedyn ail lwytho'r cyfan dros ben y labeli sydd yna'n barod, neu gan ystyried mae canran bach o'r cyfan sydd angen newid gallwn ni jyst newid y rhai sydd yn anghywir fel maen nhw'n dod i'r golwg - a Diolch yn fawr User:Ham II am dechrau ar y gwaith yma. Felly, byddaf yn ddiolchgar am eich barn. Jason.nlw (talk) 11:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Chemical compounds aliasesEdit

I don't think that this is an alias of any compound in any language. Also this, this, this and many others. Wostr (talk) 21:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Wostr. Yes i can see what has happened now. In the process of shifting the Alias from En to CY i have managed to split the chemical names (because of the Commas), so '9-cis,12-cis,15-cis-octadecatrienoic' has become '9-cis' '12-cis' '15-cis' ect. Is there a way of undoing these edits on mas? so that i can sort out the data before attempting again? Or perhaps there is a way to correctly transfer English alias to CY programmatically? Apologies for not spotting this mistake. I would appreciate any advice on how to put it right. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 08:06, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm just a regular editor and I don't know any tools/gadgets or any other technical means to do it. I've just noticed some incomplete aliases and let you know. Maybe in Wikidata:WikiProject Chemistry or Wikidata:Project chat someone will help? Wostr (talk) 15:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will ask around and get it sorted asap. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 15:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property_proposal/broader_conceptEdit

Pinging you (and others) since I suspect NLW (and probably other orgs like CADW) run various controlled-vocabulary thesauruses that you are probably familiar with, and could therefore give useful input as to whether or not in your view it would be useful to be able to record the "broader" field in thesauruses like this, allowing one to reference the thesaurus structure in WDQS queries. Property proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/broader_concept. Jheald (talk) 19:39, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

DuplicatesEdit

  Hello, I'm Marsupium. Before creating an item, please make sure it doesn't already exist. I've merged Q54426025 with William J. Pringle (Q21465645). If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! --Marsupium (talk) 06:06, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah! sorry, i missed that one. I do try and check each one. Many thanks for your help! Jason.nlw (talk) 07:51, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

handle gripeEdit

Hi Jason. Can we talk about your use of handle (P1184) please. In short, I'm finding handles which point to a collection - e.g. 10107/1235314 in Welsh tour drawings (Q41965337) - being applied to each constituent image record - such as Sketch of Kilgerran (Q42156490) and Kilgerran (Q42156499). Whereas I can kinda see why you might do that, it seems factually plain wrong. 10107/1235314 does not identify an individual sketch. That being the case, IMO, the individual sketch item should not have the value. The individual sketch items point back to their parent item using part of (P361) and so an association between the individual sketch item and the handle of the collection of which it is part can be derived without need for the individual sketch to carry the handle. Might we dispense with handles on the child items? --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Tagishsimon:. Thank you for highlighting this issue. Most of our (National Library of Wales) collections on Wikidata use handle (P1184) correctly, however for some multipage/image items we dont have handles for each page/image, only the parent item. I think you are right in suggesting that only the parent item should have the handle id in this case. Therefor i am happy for the Handles to be removed from the individual images. Would you have the know how to quickly remove these? if not, i'm sure i will figure it out. There are also several other National Library of Wales drawing volumes in Wikidata which, i think were added in the same way. I will try and locate everything that needs changing soon. Thanks again! Jason.nlw (talk) 06:39, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Jason. I think, on more probing, the issue may only apply to the drawings in Welsh tour drawings (Q41965337) ... listed in this report. I can remove their handles using quickstatements, if you're good with that. I'll do some more report tinkering to see if I can turn up anything else, and if so, bring it back to you. In all probability, you don't need to do any searching as a result of this ... there may be nothing more to find, and I don't want send you on a wild goose chase. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Great! Yes, please feel free to remove the handles. Thanks for your help! Jason.nlw (talk) 09:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Quickstatements is eating them as I type this. Kudos to you for the work you're doing, and which is being done, in Wales. Keeps popping up on my twitter feed ... very good to see. If I can ever help, with SPARQL or Quickstatements, do let me know. thx --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Tagishsimon, appreciate the support! Jason.nlw (talk) 11:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, we have our next candidate - by my reckoning, Sketches in north Wales (Q41951288) was missing its handle, and now that I've added it, its children show up on the report. I /think/ this might be the last of these. If you're happy I'll do the child handle removal thang. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:34, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually, my SPARQL must be badly shonky ... A tour of South and Mid Wales (Q41966803) is missing a handle and its handled children are many, e.g. Near the Dovey (Q42157064). So, as I said, I'll bring these to you one by one as I find them :) For now, give me feedback on Sketches in north Wales (Q41951288) pls. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:39, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Back on track. These are the only two candidates - the children of Sketches in north Wales (Q41951288) and the children of A tour of South and Mid Wales (Q41966803). I've added handles to both parent records, and the report shows the kids. If good, etc. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks again Tagishsimon. I am happy for you to go ahead and remove the handles from the children. Cheers! Jason.nlw (talk) 05:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Weird instance ofEdit

I think something went wrong on Mr. Joseph Knight (dramatic critic) (Q55005807), The Revd. S. Johnes Knight (Q55005803) & Chas. Kemble Esqre (Q55005783). Can you have a look at it? Multichill (talk) 11:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

That is weird!? Thanks for flagging this up. Jason.nlw (talk) 12:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Several death dates are imported wrongly from the Dictionary of Welsh Biography (day <-> month)Edit

I just fixed Q18509163 and Q20734399. Just checked a few more randomly. While some were correct I also stumbled on a few more mistakes. E.g., death date for Q21030591 should be 12 January 1971 instead of 1 December 1971. Similarly for Q20821425, the death date should be 6 January 1994 and not 1 June 1994.

It looks like in all of the above cases, the day and month were accidentally swapped. I would suggest finding the remaining mistakes in order to fix those. --Anders-sandholm (talk) 14:10, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Anders-sandholm Hey thanks for flagging this. I will look into it now and try to get it fixed as soon as possible. Jason.nlw (talk) 15:52, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Anders-sandholm Right, i found about 125 items with the day/month mix up and have corrected these. Hopefully that's all of them! Thanks again for spotting the problem. Jason.nlw (talk) 08:54, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Precision of death dates imported from the Dictionary of Welsh Biography (day vs. month)Edit

Hi again Jason.nlw -- I think I might have come across another issue with the imports. I just fixed the precision of the date of death that was added for Q5298607 from "day" to "month". The source only says "She died in August 1987". The date that was imported was "1 August 1987". Not sure if there are other cases of importing "1 <month> <year>" that only reads "<month> <year>" in the source. Might be worth checking. --Anders-sandholm (talk) 10:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

ping pongEdit

Hi Jason, I see you tried to ping me and some others and failed. Ping only works if you link to a user page and sign your post (with a link to your own user page) in the same edit. Multichill (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Multichill, I thought i had done that sorry. I'll take a look now. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 14:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Suggestions for painting improvementsEdit

Hi Jason, looking at Classical landscape with sheep and goat (Q64686016) some things you could improve:

Nice to see the IIIF manifest. Did you notice this service? Keep up the good work and let me know if you get stuck somewhere. Multichill (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Multichill this is really useful. I will try and get to work on some of these improvements as soon as i get a chance. I had noticed the split reference issue, but there doesn't seem to be an obvious way to fix this with quick-statements, but i'm sure i will figure something out. Cheers Jason.nlw (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


Welsh literatureEdit

Good morning Jason Evans (Q66689127),

Can you send me the notes you made when we spoke at Wikimania about the ingest of bibliographic records please? I'll prepare a list of items for you but if you can refresh my memory of any other things I need to work on that'd be great. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 09:34, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights SurveyEdit

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