Kholoudsaa

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Best regards! Multichill (talk) 11:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Research

Hi Kholoudsaa, I see you're doing some research. Can you please add your project to meta:Research:Projects? Multichill (talk) 11:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Multichill, thank you very much for the suggestions. I will definitely add it there. Kholoudsaa (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Kholoudsaa, could we learn the link to your research on meta:Research:Projects please? As I am an editor on the double byte writing system, maybe not included among your hypotheses.

With my past experience, I wish to confirm that at least I might discuss if my English language half could accept your questionnaire or would it be a bias on your research. Trilingual or editors with multilingual background might ponder similarly imho. Cheers, and good luck ! -- Omotecho (talk) 12:50, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear @Omotecho,

Thanks for your message,

Here is the link to my project:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Item_Recommendations_for_Wikidata_Editors

Kindly if you have time we can discuss through zoom call about the language?

Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 12:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Call for participation in the interview study with Wikidata editors

• Dear Kholoudsaa, thank you very much for your message. Honestly, I am not too deeply interested in Wikidata, I just do it to complement the articles on portuguese Wikipedia that I edit. As a result, I am not a very prolific editor on Wikidata, and anyway I do not wish to do so, I have already too much work on portuguese Wikipedia an in Wikimedia Commons! As such, I do not know Wikidata very well, just the editing basics. So, thank you very much for your invitation, but I do not believe I am the intended audience for the study. Yet, I am still available to answer some questions you might have, and if you wish you can send them to me through my talk page. I will try to answer them as well as I can. Thank you and best regards, -- Ajpvalente (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Ajpvalente, thank you for your reply, much appreciated, and good luck in your work. Kholoudsaa (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Research invitation

Hi Kholoudsaa,

I received you're invitation to participate in your research project, but would like to receive more information first.

Where are you doing your Phd for instance, and who are "Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi"? Why is there a question mark behind "anonymized" in your message? And you've seemed to be reaching out to hundreds of Wikidata editors, but seem to have little wiki-experience yourself, concluding from the fact you did not sign your message with four tildes.

As Multichill above suggested, please put more information about your research on Meta, and maybe contact the WMF Research Team to learn from their experience with doing a meaningful research within the Wikimedia projects. Ciell (talk) 14:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Ciell for your message,

I am doing my PhD at King's College London in England. Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi are my supervisors. Actually yes, I don't have enough contributions at Wikidata at moment, but, I am interested to be more involved in the near future after I finish building the recommender tool and deploy it in the Wikidata! Also, I have already added more information about the project to my talk page,

Sure I will publish the project in the Wiki project page as Multichill suggested!

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk) 00:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Dear Kholoudsaa, than you for your message. Though I won't participate, since I dont think I am the best participant for your study, I have some feedback. I had the same issues with your message as Ciell above, in that it was missing some information. More specifically I was missing credentials, who are you, and why should I trust you. Anyone can make claims on the internet. You use gmail instead of university mail and give a few names. Maybe you could add a bit more information to your user page about yourself and your study. For example this link was informative [1]. And also make sure we can check your credentials in some way or another, for example a website from the university, that supports your call for participants. I wish you good luck with your study. Very good that you are doing a study about Wikidata. All the best, Taketa (talk) 05:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Agreeing with all above questions should be resolved first. I would not mind contributing in few months. --Zblace (talk) 06:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Dears Taketa and Zblace, Thank you very much for your reply, based on your suggestions I have already added more information to my talk page about the project. Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 15:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

1+ to the above comments. I am not primarily a wikidata user. When I come here I know what I am looking for. If I dont find it, I possibly might create it as an item, when I need it for my purposes elsewhere. So I dont need any suggestions.--Kresspahl (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Research invitation additional replies

Reply from Pelagic

Hi, Kholoud, I'm glad that you feel Wikidata tools are a worthy area of research!

A video or voice interview isn’t a format that I would feel comfortable with, though I'm happy to answer questions through other means.

I may be in your target demographic: I edit data items infrequently, and by hand. But if I was to spend more time on Wikidata, I wouldn’t necessarily want to sink more of that into manual edits. So a recommendation tool isn't a great fit for me. The kind of tools I would love would make it easier to do things that that I haven't yet developed the personal skills for:

• scrape information from the web (c.f. the Mix-n-Match scraper)
• import data from CSV
• detect existing items and prevent importing duplicates
• suggest properties and qualifiers to use when modelling information

I gather from Dr Shi's and Prof Simperl's (Elena Simperl (Q37113655)) profiles that your specialty is machine learning? Is your main interest in building a recommendation or user-interest engine, and Wikidata happens to be a good place to measure things like impact on contribution stats? Or is your primary interest to build a cool ML tool using or for Wikidata, and making recommendations seemed like a useful or at least tractable problem?

Echoing those above, if there was a statement on your university page that you are Kholoudsaa on Wikidata, then we would know it's really you and not someone pretending to be you.

Good luck in your research,
⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 00:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Way to talk

Good morning Kholoudsaa, I just sent you the form for your planned interview.

If you are on LinkedIn it may be an idea to use their private chat. My username is the same as here since it's my real name.

If not please send me another way. Writing is easier than talking to not disturb my sleeping wife. #tia  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  08:35, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Call for participation in the interview study with Wikidata editors

Buonasera Kholoudsaa,

mi piacerebbe molto partecipare al tuo progetto ma purtroppo io non conosco l'inglese, è un grosso handicap che mi esclude da molte esperienze interessanti, ma ormai mi sono rassegnata!! Quindi non sarà possibile per noi chattare. Intanto ti posso dire come scelgo gli elementi da creare:

1) Sono piuttosto attiva su wikipedia pertanto, appena pubblico una nuova pagina, creo anche l'elemento wikidata e aggiorno/completo eventuali altri elementi a questo collegati.

2) Sono spesso impegnata in attività didattiche con altri wikipediani toscani; come tutor ho partecipato a numerose lezioni su wikipedia e su wikidata, rivolte a bibliotecari, museologi, archivisti; quasi sempre gli elementi da creare sono stati scelti dagli allievi; dopo le lezioni mi sono occupata di completare il loro lavoro.

3) Alcuni mesi prima del concorso Wiki Loves Monuments, mi viene chiesta collaborazione per creare i nuovi elementi relativi ai monumenti da fotografare. Ricevo una lista e scelgo di creare gli elementi che più mi interessano, finiti quelli... creo anche quelli che non mi interessano!

4) Ho adottato la mia città di origine, Spoleto, e creo elementi ad essa collegati per tutto quanto mi è possibile conoscere e fotografare.

Tutto qui! Spero di esserti stata d'aiuto. Se vuoi ancora contattarmi, fallo pure qui, come messaggio, perché... Google traduttore fa miracoli. :) --Manuela Musco (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Buonasera --Manuela Musco,

Grazie mille per le tue ottime risposte, Molto apprezzato :)

Kholoudsaa 23:38, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Fw: Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Kholoudsaa, thank you very much for thinking of me for what you propose. I decline your proposal because I am not interested, besides I don't know English. Regards.--Dorieo (talk) 12:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Kholoudsaa, my knowledge of the English Language ist too bad to help. But I wish you great succes. --Eduard47 (talk) 13:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Please add your research project to meta:Research:Projects immediately!

Please cease contacting Wikidata editors until you have added your research project to meta:Research:Projects as User:Multichill asked you to back in May 2021. Such disregard for our processes isn't a good look for someone asking for volunteer help. JesseW (talk) 18:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear JesseW,

Thanks for your comment, I appreciate this,

Here is the link to the project description in the meta:Research:Projects

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Item_Recommendations_for_Wikidata_Editors

Regards! Kholoudsaa (talk) 18:23, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for adding it (2 years late), but I'm confused about what step of the process you are currently on. The Research page describes three steps (initial interviews, developing the recommendation tool, and testing it), but your user page seems to be recruiting people just for the third step (testing an existing tool). Could you update the Research page to clarify that? Thanks, and best of luck with the tool (and your PhD)! JesseW (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Google fail

I've no luck trying to interact with your Google Form. That may be because i'm using Tor and a disposable eMail address. But i don't feel like going out of my way for some Google bullshit here. Why would it need my eMail address anyway?..--Reseletti (talk) 23:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Purpose of the study

Hello, while I don't mind helping someone with research, I think that people who would volunteer their time for your study deserve some more information on the purpose. E.g. how is the planned survey expected to help your tool? And what is the purpose of the tool itself - why would we need/want a wikidata item recommender? The description above is too brief for my taste. Thank you. --JiriMatejicek (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

You invited "me" but...

You addressed your invitation on my talk page to someone else. Since you are that careless I choose to give you none of my data and no co-operation.

Further, your project description is insufficient. Timtrent (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Dear Timtrent,

This was by mistake; apologies for any inconvenience!

I was on the train when I sent the messages. However, participating in the study is completely optional.

Thanks Kholoudsaa (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

That 'on the train' excuse is like saying "The dog ate my homework"

"Apologies for any inconvenience"????? That is a non apology.

You really need to get your act together.

Obviously participation is optional. I opt not to participate, primarily because I do not trust your careless approach. Timtrent (talk) 08:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't like writing to people's talk pages as a way of adverting something. It leaves the onus on them to remove it again. Vicarage (talk) 19:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

List of users who are not interested in this experiment

Hello. Since it's already a second time that I receive your message about this experiment (first, second) and since I'm clearly not interested in this, could you please create a separate list called something like "List of users who do not want to receive message about the experiment again" and put me there in order to not receive this flood message anymore? Once this list is created, I suggest you to add it on your user page, to make it visible to others and create the following header:

How can I avoid receiving messages about this experiment?

You can add yourself to this list to stop receiving messages about this experiment. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 03:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Er, @Kirilloparma -- what association do you have with @Kholoudsaa? How did you find out about this (not-yet-existing) page that will cause them to not contact people again? JesseW (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@JesseW: What do you mean by that? I am appealing to this user to stop this kind of randomly flooding on the Wikidata participants' talk pages (just look at that...). This is a potential page that came to my mind (my personal idea) to prevent this user from sending messages to me and other participants who are not interested in this experiment. As soon as this user creates it, he will look who is on this list and if my nickname is there, he should not send me this message ever again. If he continues to send this message randomly again, then I will have to contact the administrators or raise the problem at project chat. I hope I've explained it better. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear, I totally misread the message, and thought someone else had made the request not to be re-messaged, and you were replying and explaining how they could do that. Now that I understand that you wrote the whole message, and the page was your suggestion about how @Kholoudsaa could accommodate your request, it all makes sense. Sorry about my confusion, and thanks for your patience in responding. JesseW (talk) 02:23, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 03:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• @Kholoudsaa: I'm still waiting for your reply. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 01:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

RE: Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Hello Kholoudsaa, I'm potentially interested in partecipating in the proposed experiment but I have a couple of questions. Are you going to publish either in Wikidata or in Metawiki a page with a description of the project before the surevy starts? Are yu ging to release the collect data with a free license for potential reuse in other reasearch? Thnk you. --18:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC) Ysogo (talk) 18:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Ysogo

Thank you very much for your reply and interest in participating in my study; this is appreciated.

Regarding publishing more descriptions about the project, kindly let me know what you want to learn more about the project.

Regarding releasing the data, I will share the results. However, I am unsure about sharing the collected data; I will ask about it. Kholoudsaa (talk) 14:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello Kholoudsaa, Sergio from Italy here. I read your invite, could you kindly tell me something more about your research? I.e. what's the final goal of it. -- Blackcat 20:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Blackcat,

Thank you for your message,

Well, there are short-term goals and kind of long-term ones,

The short-term goal is to finish my PhD project, and the long-term one is to develop a personalised recommender model and deploy it in Wikidata.

One option here is to build it on top of the current tools, such as WikidataGame, to personalise its results for the editors. Kholoudsaa (talk) 14:44, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I really dislike having proposals added to my talk page where I have to manually remove them Vicarage (talk) 17:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Please register your research project

• meta:Research:Projects#Add_your_project

Can you please register your research project?

The situation is that Wikimedia editor time is scarce and many researchers ask for their time. Registering research helps the Wikimedia community understand the research and the extent of its compliance with Wikimedia community values. Thanks. Bluerasberry (talk) 17:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Bluerasberry for your great suggesting,

Okay, I will definitely do this. Kholoudsaa (talk) 19:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Your invitation

Hello User:Kholoudsaa. You invited me to participate in a workshop about "effective and easy-to-use user interfaces". This is aimed at people who 1) speak fluent English 2) are willing to spend 3 hours doing this. This is a specific susbset of people who are already very favoured by existing interfaces, and not representative of a "diverse set of editors". I think that drawing conclusions about the whole community from this subset of users is wrong. This would result in designing Wikidata favouring the preferences of insiders at the expense of those who are already excluded. I will not participate. Regards, Arpyia (talk) 19:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Connecting to the workshop

@Kholoudsaaː i seem to have technicl difficulties onnecting to the Teams nline workshop, which you kindly invited me to. Unortunately I was nableto connect at 2pmBSTwhen theworkshop was supposed to start (for health reasons),and I'mconcerned the workshop may soon beover, but ifyou happen to read this in time,pleaseleavea noteon my talk page advising me how to continue.I have installed the Microsoft Teamsapp on my smartphone,but I'm asked to either login using my e-mail address or specify access credentials which I can't find.--̃~̴~̴ SM5POR (talk) 15:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@KholoudsaaːI'm sorry I wasunable to attend to your workshop. As I still appreciate your invitation and would like to know what the workshop resulted in, I hope you will be able to present the results somewhere for us to read. Meanwhile I would urge you to pay close attention to the objections raised by editors Kirilloparma, Vicarage and Arpyia above, I support their opinions on your methods of conducting this study, and while I may have tolerated them with respect to the invitation I got myself, I think those objections are well-reasoned and you are advised to be careful about this in the future.--̃~̴̴̴ SM5POR (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)