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Please talk to me below. MSGJ (talk) 10:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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I'm still new to Wikidata and still learning. Can you explain these edits: [1]. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi there, which part do you not understand? There are two people called J. Hillis Miller: J. Hillis Miller (Q6105982) and J. Hillis Miller (Q4132725). The former is the father of the latter. Regards MSGJ (talk) 10:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I know that, MSGJ. I wrote most of the J. Hillis Miller, Sr. article on Wikipedia as part of a series about former presidents of the University of Florida, so I am aware of the father-son relationship between the two article subjects. My question is more specific than that. On the English Wikipedia, the articles for the father and son are distinguished by the addition of either the "Sr." or "Jr." suffix after their name. This follows standard disambiguation practice on the English Wikipedia. You removed the suffixes from the primary titles of both Wikidata items, leaving two undistinguished Wikidata items of the same title, "J. Hillis Miller." Shouldn't we include the suffixes in the primary titles/labels (e.g. "J. Hillis Miller, Sr."), and use the "also known as" labels for other name variants, such as "J. Hillis Miller" (i.e. without the suffix) and "Joseph Hillis Miller, Sr." (full name)? As I understand it, the idea is to make all common name variants searchable in Wikidata, but shouldn't the primary label track the actual Wikipedia article titles? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I now see where you are coming from. A little context does wonders ;) I don't claim that my change was definitively the "Right Thing" according to Wikidata policies; indeed most of the guidelines here are still being honed. However here are some guiding principles: on Wikipedia it is impossible to have two articles by the same name. Therefore it is often necessary to use all manner of disambiguators in the title, which is not ideal in my opinion. Here on Wikidata there is no such problem and if there were 10 people called J. Hillis Miller, they could all have J. Hillis Miller as their label, as the disambiguation is performed by the description field. Of course, it is sensible to put the Sr. and Jr. forms as aliases and this was already done. I would say that if the Jr. is just used to distinguish him from his father then it doesn't belong in the label. But if it is actually part of his name, then it should be in the label. However it's largely academic as both are searchable. Hope this helps MSGJ (talk) 10:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks -- we're on the same page now. It's a virtual certainty the father did not have "Sr." included on his birth certificate. Such usage becomes commonplace and a de facto part of man's name after the man names one of his sons after himself. The "Jr." may or may not have been included on the son's birth certificate, but it was typical of American naming practices in the 1920s when the son was born. This may require some digging to resolve. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:34, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

P373Edit

There should always be a Commons category (P373) statement added, whether or not there is a sitelink, because it is not always possible to make a sitelink, so P373 is the only chance to consistently and comprehensively be able to tell what relates to what.

Also, because there are templates, eg en:Template:Commons category and scripts, eg wdcat.js that rely on P373.

See this RfC for more. Jheald (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

P2569 (P2569) and P2570 (P2570)Edit

The above are now available. --- Jura 10:02, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Property:P1933Edit

Should the data type of this be "External identifier" instead of "String"? -- Prod (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Property creationEdit

Hi. If you have a moment, would you look into some of the requests for non-identifier properties at Category:Properties ready for creation? If you click "create" on properties I proposed, I could complete them myself. --- Jura 09:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks once more. Don't hesitate if you want to do another one. If you click "create", I'd complete non-identifier properties I had proposed. --- Jura 11:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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