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User talk:Marco Chemello (BEIC)

Ottimo, vedo che ti dai da fare anche tu con interwiki e P373. :) Ci sono tanti comuni che non sono collegati alla rispettiva categoria in Commons, ho notato. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958) as statementEdit

Hi Marco Chemello,

I guess you wanted to add it as a qualifier to some statement. You can undo your edits with PetScan or the new QuickStatement tool.
--- Jura 16:15, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

BEIC linksEdit

Hi Marco,

I've spotted some of your edits like this and I'm not sure quite what they're for - they seem to just be links to a catalogue of digitised texts, and don't particularly describe the subject in any way. described by source (P1343) should really be for things which are about the subject (eg encyclopedia articles) and I don't think these links make sense in that context.

A better approach might be to create items for the books themselves (see eg recommendations at Wikidata:WikiProject Books), link those to the authors, and link the BEIC texts from there using something like full work available at (P953). This would be a more relevant place for the link, as it's a digital copy of the underlying work. The way the links are added now isn't very helpful to the reader and probably is more confusing than anything. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:11, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Andrew Gray: Thanks for your suggestions. In the BEIC digital catalogue there are the digitized books of the authors, and we are engaged in creating hundreds of articles about authors on both and The main reason we are using those URLs in Wikidata is that BEIC digital catalogue still hasn't an unique ID for authors (but the DBMS will be changed hopefully). Yes, you are right about giving metadata about books to Wikidata, but consider this GLAM project started in 2014, when Wikidata was a newborn project and didn't appear so interested in books data. So we are planning to complete this task (the Mix'n'Match update) within a month adding 1145 new items about authors (mostly medieval / Renaissance authors), then we'll begin to plan the (bigger) work about books metadata, contributing to WikiCite. Thank you again. --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 13:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Are you expecting to clean up all these dates of birth and death for these imports? Many have come in marked born yyyy - died yyyy+99 (turn of each century dates). They should ideally be marked as "floruit" foir the respective century, rather than the inaccurate and misleading dates that currently exist. Thanks. Also noting that there has been some poor assignation of VIAF data to numbers of these items, though I am close to tidying those.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
@billinghurst: Thank you. We imported the data we had in the library digital catalogue. Sorry because I missed to specify the precision in some of the items. Precision (in some authors, when it's impossible to have precise years) must be set to "century" instead of "year". "Floruit" is another manner to indicate it, but we don't use it. In most entities I created, I've specified the right precision to century, but I missed to do so for the first ones I created. A fix for this thing is not scheduled yet, even if I fixed some manually. We also used years of birth - death for descriptions of new items, simply because we hadn't any other description suitable for authors, and birth-death is useful at least for disambiguation purposes, but if you think "floruit" is better, you are free to change it. --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 11:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
descriptions are descriptions, identifying only. Birth and death dates that are unfixed and inaccurate are problematic and can propagate badly through systems. You have the history and the data to do it better than me, so I will leave it to you to resolve, and will concentrate on fixing the VIAF in the bit of spare time I have for curating outside of the primary tasks that I wish to achieve.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
And thank you a lot for all the VIAF identifiers, they've not gone unnoticed! Are the constraints reports useful for that or do you use some other trick? Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 12:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Users interested in manuscriptsEdit

User:AndrewNJ might like something in Wikidata:BEIC. --Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 07:51, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

described by source (P1343)Edit

Hi Marco, you've created Q41566792 with the property "described by source" Biblioteca Europea di Informazione e Cultura. The ULR is just a link to a library catalogue, without an article about this person. Can you check if this person is identical with Bertrand de Montfavez (Q361849)? Cheers --Kolja21 (talk) 09:14, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

One of the links goes to which has "Bertrand de Montfavez" scribbled on top, so it seems to be the same person indeed. --Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 09:49, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
  Done I merged the 2 entities. Thank you @Kolja21, Federico Leva (BEIC): --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 16:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Richiesta fonte per data di nascitaEdit

Ciao Marco, vorrei capire qual è la fonte che afferma che Giovanni Battista Baffi è nato nel 1526. Ti ricordi da dove avevi preso questo dato?

Grazie, ciao, --Accurimbono (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

@Accurimbono: I dati degli autori erano presi dal catalogo digitale della BEIC, ma ora [1] vedo che la data di nascita non c’è più, è possibile quindi che si siamo accorti di un errore. Rimuovo pertanto il dato anche su Wikidata. Grazie. -Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk)
Grazie a te, Marco. Sarebbe stato interessante conoscere la data e capire qual'era la fonte. Ma forse era solo un errore di BEIC... chissà. Un caro saluto, a presto, --Accurimbono (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Jacques BessonEdit

Hello Marco, Q41566800 (1506-1576) imported from BEIC:

is most probably the French inventor Jacques Besson (Q369025) (1540-1573). --Kolja21 (talk) 21:22, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you @Kolja21:, I merged the 2 entities and made some fixes. --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Perfect. Thank you. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:31, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

A catalog is not an encyclopediaEdit

Hi Marco, you keep adding links to BEIC pretending it would be a kind of encyclopedia. Example:

If you want to add your catalog to Wikidata please apply for a property. @Andrew Gray, Billinghurst: FYI. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:14, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

PS: Q61481097 seems to be a duplicate of Pappus of Alexandria (Q211783). --Kolja21 (talk) 00:18, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
@Kolja21: Thank you for your message and fixes. BEIC digital catalogue has not yet an ID for authors, due to software limitations. The team is working to migrate the whole catalogue to a new software, and when it will be online we will create a property for shure, updating all entities. You can see also Wikidata:BEIC. --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 07:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Those additions do not seem inline with how we have used such a property. Have a look how it is used at William Shakespeare (Q692)  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you @Kolja21: Do you have any suggestion? What are the properties you think we should use? --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Imho you have to wait until there is a property like "BEIC-ID", see template:Book properties, group4: Catalogs. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank your for your opinion @Kolja21:. Unfortunately the migration process is complex and very long and so we will have the new catalog with IDs only in 2021. --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 07:54, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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