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Yair rand (talkcontribs)

I just noticed this thread, do you have a bot that can revert KrBot's merge-updates for a particular page merge? If so, it might be worthwhile to make that more available, perhaps even listing it on KrBot's userpage with the author's permission. Reverting KrBot manually is a rather annoying process, so being able to do it automatically sounds quite useful.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

It's even simpler, KrBot uses EditGroups and fortunately registers each batch, so it isn't problem for anybody to revert it.

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Rosičák (talkcontribs)

Zdravím kolego. Ve svém revertu se mýlíte. Mrkněte na jeho podpis. Nehodlám se přetahovat o název článku, ale doufám, že jeho rodné jméno uvedete v této databázi na pravou míru, (poté co to ověříte).

Rosičák (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Což nemění nic na tom, že onen Jiřík je povídka od Vítězslava Hálka...

Summary by Trilotat

You gave me tools to work on the problem.

Trilotat (talkcontribs)

I saw a note your posted to Properties for Deletion discussion, where you mentioned fetching data from infoboxes. That made me think of my effort to get country name for wikidata where the enwiki article has the country in the infobox. Is it possible to fetch that data in a query? Specifically, I want to fetch country for wikidata instances of formation without country, per:

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
    ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q736917 .
    filter not exists { ?item wdt:P17 ?x } .
      SERVICE wikibase:label {
        bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" .
    }
<nowiki>}</nowiki>

Try it!

Trilotat (talkcontribs)

Sorry I've done such a terrible job pasting in that query.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Actually, I mention the ability to fetch data from Wikidata/Commons etc. to infoboxes but never mind.

Would you describe more in detail what you are trying to achieve? Do want an infobox to fetch data from Wikidata? I am quite confused by the query, what is the role of it?

Trilotat (talkcontribs)

Sorry about my lack of clarity. I'm hoping to determine the country that is in the infobox in wikipedia articles so that I can add it to the wikidata items. Example, The wikidata article, Q6964824, is missing the country statement but the enwiki article has China. Can I build a query that finds that info? I'm starting with the last query in the list at Wikidata:WikiProject Geology/Queries. thanks.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Wikidata Query Service cannot query content of Wikipedia articles (at least not efficiently enough). Usually, I would just show you Harvest Templates tool but I can see enwiki indicates the information about country using templates, which the tool wouldn't handle (although you can try it at least for those that use a classic link).

For the rest, you can check out TemplateTiger, use a spreadsheet software and import data using QuickStatements.

Trilotat (talkcontribs)

I'll look at those tools. Thanks!

Jura1 (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I'm reserved to these.

  1. We may be working around problems we'd really better solve with the help of the devevelopment team.
  2. ("Search for lexemes") MediaWiki:Search-nonefound may need to be harmonized as well.
  3. ("Lexemes") If it's really necessary, I think we should wait for phab:T195295.
Jura1 (talkcontribs)

As many things on Wikidata, they are somewhat experimental. I don't think they will break anything beyond repair.

Obviously, it would be better to get some help from the devs. Afterall, that's what they are here for. I'm not sure about their internal issues, but it may be that the dictionary things overwhelms them to the point that bug reports aren't even properly followed up any more and users stopped reporting them.

If there is something we can do on our side to get things moving, I think it should be done.

re: #3 is probably needed even if T195295 is done, as people will have access to both and should be made aware that they might be on the wrong one. We already have items that seem to have been made for lexemes: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q56703300

It also happens with properties, but there users can't create them directly anyways.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)
Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Well, maybe it's better to make sure search works first ;)

I'd still go ahead with the two requests. If they break the website, we could easily revert.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)
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Embedsuite (talkcontribs)

Hey Matej,

I am currently doing a project with ID numbers related to artists. I noticed that you had added Artsy ID numbers to a number of pages. I was wondering how you got those ID numbers and added them, did you use a bot to scrap the IDs or did you do it manually? In addition, say one wanted to contribute an organizational ID number for an artist. Is the procedure that it must be linked to a front facing web page similar to that of Artsy or another organization like MOMA?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I am not sure what additions you mean. Either I was doing an import from some Wikipedia templates or I was just using famous Mix'n'match (Q28054658). I am not sure what you mean with the other part. Do you mean introducing a new external links that could be added to items about artists?

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Reverts on "Sien Hoornik" and the item about her given name

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Summary by KlaasZ4usV

Admin (as usual) was right; one of the "problems" (exaggerated) was that no project linked to the fictional girl (and the description was void...) called Sien so I thought I could recycle the item quod non . Case closed, lessons learned: when in doubt create new item

KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)

Sien Hoornik really existed: she was partner of the famous painter Vincent van Gogh the period he lived in The Hague. See e.g. English language Wikipedia.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I didn't say she hadn't existed. You overwrote Q54564010, an item for a book character (see Q2410598), to a given name, that was unacceptable and I had to undo it. Please leave the item as it was.

KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)

You did say Sien Hoornik is fictional. I never heard about the fictional 'Sien'. How you know her?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)
KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)

Why you reverted the edits on Sien Hoornik as well?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

After my revert on Q54564010, there was an invalid claim about her given name (and I can see now there's the same error on Q60413934).

KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Happy New Year to you as well! And thank you for your understanding.

KlaasZ4usV (talkcontribs)

No problem. By the way logical I do not know them, bc are from the time before I was born.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Thanks for notification. Labels with a digit at the end will be imported as they are and won't get stripped.

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Hello. w:el:Πρότυπο:Διοικητική Διαίρεση (Κύπρος). The template is using data from wikidata about population. The problem above is not about wikidata, is about the template and how it works.

If a census is missing, then the %± is not showing anything in the next census. Like, w:el:Γενί Τζαμί (συνοικία Λευκωσίας). Is not showing anything between 1921 and 1946 becauce 1931 is missing.

But, in w:el:Κούρδαλι, the %± is showing between 1931 and 1976, even thought there are some census betwwen them. Why that happen?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)
Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Ok. Thanks. I changed it. So the table never shows %± if the census are not continuously?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I hope so but I can't be sure, sorry. It's possible there's a small mistake (like a wrong year) which is barely noticeable. If you really want to be sure, you could parametrize the lines (ie. rows) and create a subtemplate (it's not necessary and it's also hard if you work with Wikidata templates).

Jura1 (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

No, there isn't. I'd push this to the developers since changes to sourced claims are really undesired.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)
Jura1 (talkcontribs)

In the meantime, could we just tag changes to P569 and P570 with day precision?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Could be tricky because internally look dates with any precision same...

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Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Hello. You may read the discussion in Project Chat. I need your help about references. I am so sorry for ask your help about that issue again.

Help:Sources.

"Typically the property used for sources is one of two options: stated in (P248) (referring to publications and media) and reference URL (P854) (used for websites and online databases)."

For the second option every work correctly. The problem is the first option.

1) It doesn't show the Greek title. It is showing the first title.

2) archive URL (P1065), archive date (P2960) and retrieved (P813) are now qualifiers of URL (P2699) to the source item. That's why are not showing to Wikipedia. This must be fixed, althougt I don't know if that there correct use. I have ask Wikidata:Project chat#Archive url, archive date and retrieved date for reference. If these 3 properties must added to the item (and not ot the source item) we have other problems.

You can compare w:el:Αγρός Λεμεσού#Παραπομπές (number 5) and w:el:Αγρίδια Λεμεσού#Παραπομπές (number 4). The first one is with stated in (P248) and the second one with reference URL (P854). The second one it the correct.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Hello. I'm currently going through the discussion:

  • I don't understand your concerns over the constraint. It's just a Wikidata internal thing. Nobody says it must be like that. The infoboxes hide this effectively out and readers don't care. (phab:T212073 is nonsense to me. The indication that there's a problem somewhere shouldn't be hidden.) Or is there a problem with people enforcing it? (Problems with people are always worse than problems with computers.)
  • Per Q60197762#P1476, ranks could solve your problem with showing the Greek title, couldn't they?
  • The way of sourcing statements you introduce here (qualifiers of URL (P2699)) is also new for me. Is it an established way? If so, an overhaul to the modules may be necessary.
  • I disagree that everything we were doing was a waste of time.

I haven't had time to watch changes over Wikidata in the last months and don't know when and if ever I will be available as I used to be. That said, I am not planning any great changes to the modules now. If you find a better set of modules (they can be on Wikidata, Commons or anywhere else), you are free to use them.

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