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Krorokeroro (talkcontribs)

Matlinさん、あなたは日本語の読みの編集を行ったので、この文章を日本語で書き込みます。あなたは茶屋町地区 (Q11617964)の読みを「ちゃやちょう」としましたが、「ちゃやまち」が正しい読みです。かつてこの地区が町(自治体)だったときには「ちゃやちょう」と読みましたが、倉敷市と合併してからは「ちゃやまち」と読んでいます。日本の地名の町を「まち」と読むのか「ちょう」と読むのか、日本人でさえ難しく簡単には解決しない問題です。日本語の読みに通じているとは思えないあなたが日本語の読みの編集を行うのは適当とは思えません。日本語の読みを編集するのは止めて頂けませんか。よろしくお願いします。

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(Q382028) 植芝守央, Moriteru Ueshiba

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Krorokeroro (talkcontribs)

Hi, Matlin. Judo and Aikido are different. Ueki (Q382028) is doing Aikido and the general master of Aikido. Thank you. --~~~~

Reply to "(Q382028) 植芝守央, Moriteru Ueshiba"
Hannes Röst (talkcontribs)

Hi Matlin

Another issue with your mass edits, you added wrong ids for HDS, such as here and here

Matlin (talkcontribs)

And your half-hearted mas reverts, which you don't remove from M'n'M. For example, this is waiting 7 years for delete. If you don't delete wrong matches, I guarantee you, that someone will in future update M'n'M catalog and these edits will be reproduced.

Hannes Röst (talkcontribs)

Well MnM is an external tool that may or may not be correct and has to be manually checked, something you did not seem to have done. Instead of performing faulty mass-imports and then attacking the people who try to fix things, I suggest you acknowledge your mistakes and be more careful before you import anything. --Hannes Röst (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Matlin (talkcontribs)
  • IMO, it's quasi-external tool. It's widely fused or set with WD (it's a long history, but reasoned). As a base, I believe that users know what they do, especially when we look at 'manual match, not automatic (the case I've mentioned). It's not hard to delete it, with M'n'M scripts you can do it with literally two clicks, you can trust me. I have for few weeks a new personal praxeology of M'n'M batches on Wikidata, and I see that there are really many people, who aren't aware of the symbiosis between M'n'M and WD. They think that a few clicks, which revert a batch, is all that they should do. Nope, nope. This is only the shortest way, but not proper.

Anyway (now it's less substantive, I'm sorry), as far as i see - you started this thread. If you call my response as attack - you also attacked me. It makes any discussion on this website pointless. Every user attack another, showing him, that action x, made by him is wrong and giving him explanation. If you think so, you don't have to write on my talk page - I see notifications about reverts. EOT.

Hannes Röst (talkcontribs)

I am happy if you are able to do it properly and clean up the issues that you created. I wrote to you to make you aware of issues in your automated edits, which I hope you appreciate as I took the time to manually check a large number of your edits and reason about whether they are beneficial or not -- something you probably should have done as well before engaging in mass editing.

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Bovlb (talkcontribs)
You have been blocked for a period of 6 hours for rapid batch editing while failing to respond to feedback. Once this block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest it by editing this page and adding the following template with a suitable reason: {{unblock|1=<the reason for your unblock request>}}. If you are logged in, and the option has not been disabled, you may also email the blocking administrator (or any administrator from this list) by using this form.

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You don't appear to have edited your own user talk page for five months and, in that time, you have received dozens of pieces of feedback that deserve a response. You have been blocked in the past for the same problem. I am blocking you for six hours to give you a chance to read and respond to feedback before continuing your batch editing.

Mahir256 (talkcontribs)
You have been blocked for a period of 5 years for rapid batch editing while failing to respond to feedback. Once this block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest it by editing this page and adding the following template with a suitable reason: {{unblock|1=<the reason for your unblock request>}}. If you are logged in, and the option has not been disabled, you may also email the blocking administrator (or any administrator from this list) by using this form.

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Since the period above has elapsed and you still haven't responded here, I've reblocked you for five years, which will be considerably shortened if you can start actively responding to discussions in which you are mentioned, either here or on other on-wiki fora. To other admins who see this, please take the length of their prolonged silence and the unaddressed concerns that have accrued since their last words into account before undoing this block.

Joao4669 (talkcontribs)

Możesz odpowiedzieć po polsku, jeśli wolisz.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hi Matlin,

I wanted to follow up with a few clarifying comments:

  • We believe your contributions here are well-intentioned, we deeply regret having to block you, and we look forward to lifting the block as soon as possible.
  • We are all fallible. We don’t expect contributors to be perfect all of the time.
  • At Wikidata, we welcome appropriate batch or high-volume edits.
  • We do expect contributors to be responsible for their edits, to respond to feedback, and to do their best to correct errors. This is especially true for high-speed editors because problems can compound more quickly.
  • Wikidata is language-independent. We do not require users to communicate in a specific language (such as English), but we do expect people to do their best to communicate.
  • In your case, we can see that you have a lot of feedback here on your talk page that you have not responded to, yet you continue to make high-speed edits. As administrators, we are not judging whether this feedback is correct, but we are expecting that you make some effort to respond to it and collaborate with other editors.
  • Although Mahir256 has now blocked you for a period of five years, we would be glad to unblock you just as soon as we no longer think the block is necessary. In particular, while blocked you are still able to edit your talk page.

I hope this helps.

Matlin (talkcontribs)

There is statement, which Mahir refuesed to post in my name in admin noticeboard. Here we go.


Please put, in my name, to any reports concerning my username in WD, this testimony:

I see... I saw through edits by Magnus Manske, Epidosis or another users, that there is "open window" season to sync data in Mix'n'match in manual mode. This was for me great opportunity to sync Nukat or Plwabn but also another catalogs. In these catalogs there are wrong matches made by a) users and b) by tool named "auxiliary data match". Reverting these edits and banning user who update it is one half of job. Second half of job is to remove bad matches in Mix'n'match! Otherwise these errors will be reproduced by another user, who decide to sync catalog manually. So I named these batches "catalog name MnM sync".

I do this in good faith. Mix'n'match isn't official WD tool, but important, every advanced editor must use it. So in my opinion better is: 1) wait until batch is done 2) see which items are affected 3) revert wrong edits in items 4) remove match in MnM. There are a tools to show MnM matches entirely in Wikidata item.

As maybe I wrote in another discussion, I don't like to discuss because of my mental disorder, which engages my emotions in wrong way. Well, it's strange, it's against the rules, I know that finally I really would face the consequences, as said Hyde to Dr. Shizki in w:en:Dvine Luv.

If this ban is really for 5 years - I accept it without writing essays about "bad community" (no, i received many support and knowledge from [so far] our community, it's priceless, I appreciate this). I will missing it of course, it was good time for me participatig in this project. I created here so many useful data, especially in Polish items and biographies. I am proud of this.

Regards

Appendix:

This table shows some of reverted items related to my last batches. It shows us that reverting edit in Wikidata only is half of whole work and as harmful as recreating this errors updating/syncing MNM with Wikidata in good faith (as i do).

Element Matched by Matching date on MnM Reverted by
Craniata (Q84149) Auxiliary data matcher 2018-08-10 13:16:45 User:Mormegil
Kali (Q292351) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-06-19 19:39:26 User:Thiotrix
taxon (Q16521) User:Magnus Manske 2015-07-21 12:40:29 User:Succu
Chaetopsis (Q10447771) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-06-18 16:10:37 User:Succu
Chaetopsis (Q10447771) Auxiliary data matcher 2018-07-20 06:41:25 User:Succu
Pachymerini (Q21218543) dunno, i remove match before saving data dunno, i remove match before saving data User:Monster Iestyn
Vologdinella (Q51844501) Auxiliary data matcher 2019-02-08 10:44:42 User:Monster Iestyn
Eboo (Q52644207) Auxiliary data matcher 2018-07-20 04:41:29 User:Monster Iestyn
Clytrina (Q105381695) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-02-10 04:08:30 User:Monster Iestyn
Sinosphaera (Q107644204) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-08-17 03:11:16 User:Monster Iestyn
Pachymerinae (Q108130899) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-09-03 03:09:59 User:Monster Iestyn
Chinese characters (Q8201) User:Netha Hussain 2017-08-04 21:02:57 User:Sabelöga
Silver Line (Q172201) Auxiliary data matcher 2017-03-02 22:47:09 User:Pi.1415926535
Nubian station (Q537041) Auxiliary data matcher 2017-03-07 08:18:26 User:Pi.1415926535
instrumental hip hop (Q1077172) Auxiliary data matcher 2017-01-29 18:05:54 User:Solidest
North Philadelphia station (Q2000732) Auxiliary data matcher 2017-03-07 08:18:08 User:Pi.1415926535
UK bass (Q2346991) Auxiliary data matcher 2017-02-25 09:45:44 User:Solidest
Cohasset station (Q5141306) User:William Graham 2018-07-18 21:52:49 User:Pi.1415926535
Old Greenwich station (Q7084141) User:William Graham 2018-07-18 19:06:34 User:Pi.1415926535
surf pop (Q16011695) Auxiliary data matcher 2017-02-11 20:05:58 User:Solidest
The Iliad (Q19090438) Auxiliary data matcher 2017-01-29 18:06:04 User:EncycloPetey
Solna (Q21667355) User:William Graham 2018-07-18 19:23:44 User:Yger
Surgent (Q27914350) User:Magnus Manske 2017-06-13 11:40:55 User:Florentyna
Barr Lake (Q808761) User:Hofoen 2018-11-14 11:17:09 User:Nicholasmatthewgarcia
Stefan Frey (Q1291279) Auxiliary data matcher 2020-02-18 14:50:52 User:Florentyna
Anna Kramer (Q23985111) User:AttoRenato 2018-11-24 22:39:58 User:Thurs
Laurentino (Q64738310) Auxiliary data matcher 2019-06-21 13:16:45 User:UV
Laurentino (Q64738310) User:Gerwoman 2019-11-21 10:06:47 User:UV
Antonio Trivulzio, seniore (Q685061) User:Anvilauarius 2017-06-13 14:47:05 User:Einar Myre
Robert Desha (Q1338104) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-03-10 10:17:30 User:Einar Myre
François de Melun (Q3086258) User:Aubrey 2015-05-28 13:43:47 User:Einar Myre
Agnieszka Glińska (Q9142255) Auxiliary data matcher 2016-11-17 06:28:54 User:Plexci
Eugene Roberts (Q17183673) User:HCShannon 2016-04-01 01:42:15 User:Einar Myre
Richard Huck-Saunders (Q18672096) User:Charles Matthews 2021-02-16 08:12:01 User:Einar Myre
Thomas ap Roger Vaughan (Q19325528) User:Charles Matthews 2017-12-05 10:44:33 User:Einar Myre
Colin Basil Peter Bell (Q21536544) User:GZWDer (flood) 2019-10-12 17:47:15 User:Einar Myre
Colin Basil Peter Bell (Q21536544) User:GZWDer (flood) 2019-10-12 17:47:15 User:Einar Myre
Karl Graf von Lodron (Q55844665) Automatic name/date matcher 2021-03-04 08:34:30 User:Einar Myre
José Adriano Borges de Carvalho (Q10308686) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-12-18 05:45:38 User:Joao4669
John Brown (Q75643642) dunno, i remove match before saving data dunno, i remove match before saving data User:Einar Myre
celeriac (Q575174) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-06-18 21:06:48 User:Succu
Pales Chevrolat (1836) non Robineau-Desvoidy (1830) (Q2789954) Auxiliary data matcher 2018-08-10 13:29:39 User:Monster Iestyn
Chablais Massif (Q2732722) User:NMaia 2019-03-29 03:25:00 User:JRagusa
Cephalosphaera (Q5063331) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-06-19 19:38:46 User:Succu
Colin Basil Peter Bell (Q21536544) Auxiliary data matcher 2019-12-02 20:24:36 User:Einar Myre
Hemichroa (Q18392594) Auxiliary data matcher 2018-08-10 14:55:32 User:Thiotrix
Atriplex robusta (Q28845580) Auxiliary data matcher 2021-06-19 08:39:44 User:Thiotrix
Min Do-hee (Q16080950) Auxiliary data matcher 2020-11-27 09:36:24 User:Christian140
Q10682938 Auxiliary data matcher 2021-09-21 12:15:34 User:Yger
Dmitry Abanin (Q28494843) Gerwonam 2019, i remove match before saving data User:Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH)
Q15711327 Auxiliary data matcher 2021-06-19 19:46:26 Succu
Q557675 Auxiliary data matcher 2018-11-15 14:23:50 Succu

And one more thing, since my exile I use Wikidata, but sadly I find progressively small things, that I could improve, learn or something... I have a list of errors, new items,statements to create. It shows how unjustice is this block, especially it's duration - even I can deal with it, 5 years it is like I am treated like plain vandal, who attack other people, do some very controversial things, etc. It's sad.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hi Matlin. Thanks for responding.

You were blocked specifically for rapid batch editing while failing to respond to feedback, as discussed in this thread. The block may seem heavy-handed, but apparently it was the only way to get you to communicate. I appreciate that there can be many reasons why communication is difficult, but I'm afraid that responding to feedback is very important here, especially when doing rapid batch editing.

Now that you are communicating, I'm going to go ahead and unblock you, but I would like to see two things from you in return:

  • Please make some attempt to reply to the many open threads on your user talk page and make the appropriate corrections. You don't need to accept all the feedback, but you should engage with it.
  • If you're going to do more high-speed editing in the future, you must be prepared to pause and correct if you start getting feedback on it.

Happy editing!

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Also CC @Afaz: as original reporter.

Epìdosis (talkcontribs)

Hi all! I would like to comment briefly about the main problem here posed: it is exactly true that removing wrong matches on Wikidata only, leaving them on Mix'n'match, is only half of the work; I have tried to discuss this problem thoroughly in Wikidata talk:Mix'n'match, where I invite you all to comment. In fact, I think that blaming the user who syncs the catalogs is not a viable solution, because syncing catalog has mostly good effects on Wikidata; we should either educate users to remove wrong matches also on Mix'n'match or, more efficiently in my opinion, have Mix'n'match automatically remove matches which were removed from Wikidata.

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Succu (talkcontribs)

You are creating a lot of wrong matches regarding to P225. Please check your contributions.

Reply to "External ids"
Afaz (talkcontribs)

Takeda Izumo I (Q732590) and Takeda Izumo II (Q28007389) are already unmerged. Please do not add the contents of Q28007389 to Q732590.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Takeda Izumo I"
Kolja21 (talkcontribs)

Hi Matlin, you have created

  • Jean Baptiste Patas (Q105624155)
  • Jean Baptiste Patas (Q105624156)

then you have merge Q105624155 with

  • Charles Emmanuel Patas (Q25906285)

"Jean Baptiste Patas und Charles Emmanuel Patas (1744-1802, Kupferstecher, Paris) waren Brüder oder Cousins, beide signierten meistens mit dem Nachnamen (Patas), Verwechslungen sind daher häufig" (https://d-nb.info/gnd/1055267409).

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WhatamIdoing (talkcontribs)

You've made this edit twice now. It is true that a specific book is not a general philosophical question, but IMO that should be obvious. Why are you adding this true-but-irrelevant information?

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BrokenSegue (talkcontribs)

Hi thanks for doing this batch. Would it be possible next time for you to add a more informative batch/edit summary? I'm unfamiliar with the PLNode tool but it would help if I could tell what the edit did at a glance.

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B-noa (talkcontribs)

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q65767088&diff=1539501660&oldid=1513423857 with this

https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pietro_I_di_Tarantasia&oldid=124357216

The article does not say that the prelate died in Moûtiers. His actual date of death is not known. The Italian article which copy-paste the French version only includes the information that his body could be in the cathedral and not his place of death.


I also canceled a modification on (Q3079827) in which you indicate the places of birth and death when no source really indicates this information.


The Polish article does not provide any source in this direction.


Regards

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