Philippe49730

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Best regards! --VIGNERON (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Château de Montsoreau

Bonjour,

Merci pour vos ajouts qui étaient très précieux, j'ai fait quelques corrections sur les détails qui n'allaient pas.

En effet, il y une subtilité concernant ce château, il y a deux concepts différents qu'il ne faut pas confondre derrière ce nom :

• Château de Montsoreau (Q1143049), le bâtiment
• Château de Montsoreau-Museum of Contemporary Art (Q36698440), le musée

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: Bonjour, merci de vos corrections, en effet j'avais noté cette subtilité. Dans le doute, comme le bâtiment est en même temps un château de la Loire et un musée d'art contemporain, j'avais consulté la page du palais de Tokyo. Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Bien à vous, Philippe49730--Philippe49730 (talk) 19:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Bonsoir,

Sur Wikidata (et parfois aussi sur Wikipédia d'ailleurs), on distingue un bâtiment de l'institution qui l'occupe. Cela facilite souvent le travail et c'est absolument nécessaire quand un bâtiment accueille plusieurs musées, en l'occurrence le bâtiment du palais de Tokyo (Palais de Tokyo (Q1535247)) abrite deux musées (le centre d'art contemporain du même nom : Palais de Tokyo (Q25395733) mais aussi le Musée d'art moderne de Paris (Q857276)). Il arrive parfois que le bâtiment et l'institution l'occupant soient confondus mais cela a tendance a causer des problèmes et des ambigüités (par exemple, est-ce que inception (P571) est la création du bâtiment - sa date de construction - ou bien la création de l'institution - sa date de fondation/inauguration).

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 20:02, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Merci de vos précisions.

Bien à vous, Philippe49730--Philippe49730 (talk) 20:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

מונסורו

Well, Hebrew has its nuances in such cases. The letter Nun Has two forms: one for word endings (ן) and one for other cases (נ). Since מונסורו is apparently a portmanteau, the name will be considered as a single word, and therefore we will use the form of נ. Although the translation of the article in this case was amazingly good for a non-Hebrew speaker, it's highly recommended to consult with a Hebrew speaker before publishing an article. Machine translation can have tons of problems, especially in Hebrew. Mbkv717 (talk) 21:16, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear @Mbkv717:, thank you for the compliment. When I created this article, I had both in mind that in french language the "t" helps the "on" to be marked, as it is in "Mont-Saint-Michel" and that it was a transliteration and not a translation. Maybe we could add it as alias in wikidata? All my very best,--Philippe49730 (talk) 13:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

If I understood correctly, you mean that you want to add מוןסורו as a nickname to the Wikidata item? If so, that form is absolutely incorrect, and I don't believe a Hebrew speaker will ever search by that form. Transliteration to Hebrew has a lot of challenges and difficulties, and unfortunately we mostly cannot have an optimal transliteration; For example we don't have a way in Hebrew to show the difference between French "o" and "eau" (both represented by "וֹ"), so we have to use compromises in many cases. Mbkv717 (talk) 21:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)