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In the edit preceding the one for which I was blocked (and which itself reverted my edit with no given reason), I was asked (in an edit summary) "please give a reason"; I duly repeated my edit, giving the requested reason in my edit summary. That is the only edit I made to the item, after I saw (and replied to) the "warning" referred to above.
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One more revert counts as continuation of the edit war. That you acknowledged having seen the warning makes the additional revert unjustifiable. If you wanted to input reasoning, then the talk page(s) are for that.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:29, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

So, in other words, you got one more revert in. --Rschen7754 16:41, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Wrong regex

You have added a regex in the requests for Wikidata:Property proposal/Norsk kunstnerleksikon ID (), Wikidata:Property proposal/Norsk biografisk leksikon ID, and Wikidata:Property proposal/Store medisinske leksikon ID, and while the regexes might be correct for English they are not correct for neither Norwegian nor most other European languages. Norwegian uses additional characters like other European languages, and even allow and also promote characters from other languages, and they might even be URL encoded. I did not add regexes as I doubt they can be correctly defined in these cases. That is, the sites has no valid range of characters they use so we can't make any valid assumption about what to expect, so I wrote "string". An example is Arne Åse (Q11959106). Also note that the sites use an additional clarification that can be added to the identifier. They work similarly to our parenthesized content.

I guess it would be nice to have some kind of validation, even for a string, but the present regex is simply to … err … simple. It could perhaps be adjusted to URL encoded strings, but copy-pasting from modern browsers the URL encoded strings are decoded. Jeblad (talk) 09:45, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Tested, and it seems like the only thing consistently failing is use of plus ("+") for space, it must be encoded as underscore ("_"). Jeblad (talk) 10:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jeblad: The regexs work for each of the examples in your proposals; perhaps you might consider providing better ones? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: I did not propose to use the rexexes, so I did not pick fringe cases for testing them. In the comment above I have given an example of a person name that will fail. In particular, note that the regexes are wrong for a lot of similar identifiers so use of it should be checked a lot of places, not only for these three identifiers. Jeblad (talk) 13:45, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
May I suggest this regex: \D+ --Gerwoman (talk) 14:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
That would work for all valid values, but would also allow erroneous values like full URLs; or Oda Krohg. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
What about [A-Za-zÀ-ú_]+ --Gerwoman (talk) 16:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
That's closer, but the current regex is [a-zA-Z]+[_[a-zA-Z]+]*, so I think [A-Za-zÀ-ú]+[_[A-Za-zÀ-ú]+]* would be more precise; that said, we still lack examples of the kinds of "additional characters" referred to in the OP. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:30, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
At least we should admit: æ ø å Æ Ø Å (Norwegian alphabet). Here some examples. --Gerwoman (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
It is the same software as for Store norske leksikon ID (P4342), and it enforces nothing for the slug. The only regex that is valid for this case is /^\S+$/. It would be possible to check for a properly escaped URL-string, but not for an unescaped string. Sorry, but the idea that these slugs follow some formatting pattern is simply wrong. Jeblad (talk) 19:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
The properties are now created with wrong regexes, I'm going to remove or replace them if there are no attempts to correct them. Jeblad (talk) 00:39, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Multilingual captions testing is available


The early prototype for multilingual caption support is available for testing. More information on how to sign up to test is on Commons. Thanks, happy editing to you. - Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata:Requests for comment/Sort identifier statements on items that are instances of human

You imported species:Template:Authority control and might be interested in Wikidata:Requests for comment/Sort identifier statements on items that are instances of human. 10:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcoming - property for catalog items

Could there be a property for catalog items? Example: 12:22, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Certainly. Do you need help drafting a proposal? And please consider creating an account. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:26, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata:Property proposal/Ester ID - thanks for your editing to the proposal. See first link in discussion, heavy use in etwiki. Also in commons. 18:48, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Please can you provide the QID for the item matching the example URL in your proposal? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:57, 5 May 2018 (UTC)


Hi Pigsonthewing! For information, I've opened there a discussion to know what is the most accurate template for the links to ORCID on French WP. Don't you have any idea? Regards. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Why have two templates? It seems to me that the best solution would be to merge them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 05:28, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Help needed for adding Authority Control Properties for Israeli Cinema


We have a bunch of upcoming authority control property proposals, and we need some help from property createors/admins for creating them:

Can you please take a look?

Thank you! -- אודי אורון ~ Udi Oron (talk) 03:48, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

It seems the first three are already done; I've now commented on the other two. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Why External ID and not String?

Hi Andy, I remember you opposing some properties (like instagram tag) to be created as string, but I don't remember seeing any explanation of why. Care to explain? --Micru (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Sure: They identify something, and they are external, so they should use "external identifier" data type. Furthermore, using that data type allows us to use formatter URL (P1630), third-party formatter URL (P3303) and perhaps formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Regarding the first point, aren't strings also external and identify something? Regarding the second point, as far as I see hashtag (P2572) has data type string and allows to use formatter URL (P1630). How do you interpret this? --Micru (talk) 10:08, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, last night you mix'n'matched P4927 for several living artists like Q540665 declaring them dead according to, which indeed shows the wrong information, too. Is it ok to make those "not applicable to WD" and delete them, or could it be reported to

No, I didn't declare any such thing. I've asked Magnus, whose bot did do, to cease adding such dates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

EuropeanaTech in This Month in GLAM

Hello Andy! I hope all is well! I took the freedom to add a slightly extensive piece about the EuropeanaTech conference to May's Wikidata report in This Month in GLAM - I hope this is OK with you. Probably some other people will help tweak it in the upcoming days. Do you plan to write a bit about the GLAM Forum in Yerevan? Let me know if I can help. Cheers! SandraF (WMF) (talk) 12:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@SandraF (WMF): Absolutely no problem at all - indeed, thank you. It sounds like you had a great event. I'll asks Susanna if she or one of her colleagues will write up their event, and offer to help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:19, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

D&B Hoovers

Hi, I do not understand the issue this property has Wikidata:Property proposal/D&B Hoovers company profile. You say an ID such as vivaldi_technologies_as.776cc66357fe4df3 will work but that was indeed my original proposal, you changed it to the current state. Please tell me what should be done here. Gotitbro (talk) 12:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: I did not. Your proposal was changed in this edit, by David. I suggest that change be undone. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I missed that. Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I have undone it. Please see if that affects your comment on the proposal. Gotitbro (talk) 16:08, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

ORCID iD (P496) formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921)

Hello, sorry for the removal without comment. I have not found on the ORCID website usages of resource URIs matching the pattern$1/person and trying to deferencing it returns me a 500 error. So, I removed it as part of a cleanup of wrong values of formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921) (there were sadly a significant number of them). Is there attested usage of URIs following this pattern for ORCID? Tpt (talk) 21:14, 23 May 2018 (UTC) (using my ORCID iD) downloads an XML list of my publications. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:07, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Sorry or the late answer. seems to return an XML document but not an RDF graph where is used as an URI for you. If it is the case I believe that this URI template is not related to RDF and so should be remove from formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921) values. Tpt (talk) 11:40, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect descriptions

You seem to be importing a lot of items with incorrect descriptions (an url is not a good description). See for example Special Olympics Nebraska (Q54678961) which has the description "". Please correct before importing more items. Multichill (talk) 20:43, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata:Project chat#Charity Navigator items: work in progress. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:45, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

sameAs vs exactMatch

Hi Pigsonthewing, I removed <> as an equivalent class on sameAs (Q54819698) because <> should be the equivalent class. We have exact match (Q39893449) for exactMatch. These two concepts are different. A good explanation is here, summarized here: skos:exactMatch maps concepts with equivalent meaning. When two resources are linked with owl:sameAs they are considered to be the same resource, and triples involving these resources are merged. Gstupp (talk) 21:39, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank-you-removal-vandalism 11:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


IIRC User:Emw once said, that there are some ontologies that only use subclassOf and let software decide if something is an instance. I don't know why one ontology should be an instance. It is not a physical object, many copies (instances?) of it can exist. [3] 23:56, 17 June 2018 (UTC)


You may be interested in the discussion about starting identifier sorting with VIAF and maybe ISNI. Current sorting can be influenced by any vandal - delete a property and it would sort at the end when re-added. Also 400+ new ID-systems this year so far. 01:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Radio Courtoisie far right

Hello I speak about "Radio Courtoisie far right", and after, I read the page WP:EN. It's a little curious, it seems as the redactors ignored that this radio is a far right one. Perhaps because the use only "sources" produced by the radio himself ? "Radio Courtoisie" far right is well analysed by academic people, even in english langage It's also possible to speak about racism and shoah negationism. Best --Droit de retrait 03 (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand why you're telling me this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Because of this ? --Droit de retrait 03 (talk) 18:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons IRC Office Hour, Tuesday 26 June


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Thanks, I look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. -- Keegan (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

[0-9] != \d

There is a difference. 14:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

What properties does Commons need?


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You can find more information and examples to help find properties in a workshop on Commons. Please participate and help fill in the list, and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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Statements removal

Hi Pigsonthewing,

I removed these statements in application of our new policy regarding living people's datas and privacy. I assumed that the concerned parties would appreciate that we stop stocking these datas there (I also removed it from WP).

Regards. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Which policy requires such removal? What exactly does it say, that makes you suppose that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Apologies for responding late. No policy strictly requires it, but since that policy has been adopted, I consider that we should be much more careful with this kind of datas (especially regarding few notable people). As you saw, the statement was also removed by someone else on Q13479694. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

Person Duplicate Théodore Scott-Dabo

Hi Pigsonthewing,

Could you give me any advice, would there be any procedure to merge
Theodore Scott-Dabo (Q7782038), with, no Identifiers;
Theodore Scott-Dabo (Q53372089), without wikipedia page, but with authority control idnetifiers.
It is one and the same person, painter (Q1028181)
THHAP (talk) 18:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@THHAP: I have merged them. for future reference, please see Help:Merge. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Great! Thank you for your help!  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by THHAP (talk • contribs) at 18:56, 25 July 2018‎ (UTC).

Person Duplicate Edmund Henry Wuerpel

Hi Pigsonthewing,

I found another candidate:
Edmund Henry Wuerpel (Q5339524) and Edmund Henry Wuerpel (Q51318235) are the same person, painter (Q1028181)
Edmund Henry Wuerpel (Q5339524) has a Wikipedia page attached, no Identifiers,
Edmund Henry Wuerpel (Q51318235) has Identifiers, no Wikipedia page.
It is an American artist who was shown in Detroit and St. Louis between 1890 and 1920, following the exhibition catalogs I am digitizing
I read Help:Merge but am far less experienced than you are and anxious to mess it up.
Would you mind merging these two items for me?
THHAP (talk) 19:06, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@THHAP: OK, I merged them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:53, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Thank you so much, I really appreciate!
I have to learn this now!
Found another candidate: Katherine T. Hooper Prescott (Q6376515) and Katherine T. Hooper Prescott (Q6376516); THHAP (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Could merge Katherine T. Hooper Prescott (Q6376515) and Katherine T. Hooper Prescott (Q6376516) without problems thans to your help. THHAP (talk) 09:52, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Help with allowed values format

Hi! You have added] "allowed values = [1-9A-Z][0-9A-Z]{31}". Then it was copied to property Kopaliński Online ID (P5533). Now I see one format violation on page Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P5533. Link in kobalt (L7831) is good and points to correct page so I suppose that regular expression on property page is somehow wrong but I do not know regular expressions myself to correct it. Can you help me? KaMan (talk) 07:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@KaMan: fixed. I'd assumed values could not start with a zero; your example does. The new value is [0-9A-Z]{32}. is a good primer, and has a tool where you can test regexes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:46, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal/archINFORM ID (Schlagwörter)

Hi Andy, the example You added to the archINFORM proposal is totally wrong. Haven't You tried it before publishing? For persons and organizations there is already archINFORM person or group ID (P5508), for projects archINFORM project ID (P5383), for locations there is another proposal Wikidata:Property proposal/archINFORM ID (Orte), this one is only for keywords. But thanks for your Pro vote ;) --Arch2all (talk) 19:18, 2 August 2018 (UTC) Airline identifier

Hello Andy, can you update your comment on Airline identifier [4]  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Germartin1 (talk • contribs) at 11:45, 3 August 2018‎ (UTC).

Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:54, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data feedback - Depicts statements draft requirements


A slide presentation of the draft requirements for depicts statements on file pages is up on Commons. Please visit this page on Commons to review the slides and discuss the draft. Thank you, see you on the talk page. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:20, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Hugo von Habermann der Jüngere - merging Q1635957 with Q2720851

Hello Andy, may be you can help. I try to merge
Hugo von Habermann der Jüngere (Q1635957), wikipedia page title 'Hugo von Habermann d. J.', no Identifiers
with Hugo von Habermann der Jüngere (Q2720851), wikipedia page title 'Hugo von Habermann der Jüngere', many Statements and Identifiers.
Wikipedia page 'Hugo von Habermann d. J.' and 'Hugo von Habermann der Jüngere' are identical.
I get the following message from the merge tool
Error while "Please wait...":
A conflict detected on dewiki: Q1635957 with dewiki:Hugo von Habermann d. J., Q2720851 with dewiki:Hugo von Habermann der Jüngere
THHAP (talk) 08:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@THHAP: This needs to be resolved on dewiki (the German-language Wikipedia) before they can be merged on Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@THHAP: In fact, on checking, it was already resolved there, with dewiki:Hugo von Habermann d. J. redirecting to the other page. I removed the former from the Wikidata item, and was then able to merge them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:46, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Thanks a lot for your great help! THHAP (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

URL Formatter (P1630) removed

Why had this BBC URL Formatter (P1630) been removed by me? That's easy enough. Using the given link has the result: The server returned a "404 Not Found". It should have been good practice to examine and find that yourself. The removal was IMHO well justified. But instead you were so very quick to rollback my edit. Please explain. -- Justus Nussbaum (talk) 06:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

You're complaining that the URL$1.json returns a 404 error? Please read about and understand how formatter URL (P1630) works (there is ample explanation in that property's description field, in both English and German), before making such a misguided and damaging edit again. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Koloman Moser - merging (Q21177367) with (Q45055)

Hello Andy, this actually is a merging conflict related to the Wikimedia Commons entry on the Wikidata page of Koloman Moser.
May be you could help me finding the right person who might be able to solve this.
The attempt to merge Wiener Werkstätte (Q21177367) with Koloman Moser (Q45055), the main page of Koloman Moser
creates the following error-message:
A conflict detected on commonswiki: Q45055 with commonswiki:Category:Koloman Moser, Q21177367 with commonswiki:Koloman Moser
THHAP (talk) 07:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@THHAP: There is a known issue when a subject has both a Commons category page and a Commons gallery page. I'm not up-to-speed on the current preferred solution; I suggest you ask on Wikidata:Project chat. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Disputes with Succu

Andy, I’m writing here because of the many disputes and edit wars you are involved in with User:Succu. As you might be aware of or not, I have been in contact with Succu regarding his interaction with you since April, with varying intensity, on his user talk page. It is important to mention here that I am not acting in admin role here, and that I’m not more of a friend of Succu than of yours. I’m involving myself here because I see two deserved Wikidatans who unfortunately don’t get along with each other, and this problem will not disappear by just doing nothing.

Yesterday, Succu asked me what to do in species nova (Q27652812). The recent edit war in that item follows a pattern that can be seen in many other places as well; I personally do not favor any of the solutions the two of you are fighting for therein, so I will not advise which claims or descriptions this item needs or not. Here, I’d like to ask you which path and strategies you think should be taken to avoid such edit histories in the future. The venue of constructive discussion has long been left by both of you, and it is pretty clear that neither of you can gather substantial support for your positions by other users in such disputes any longer. At the same time, it is obviously not useful to extend the edit history of such items by even more reverts, without adding anything else to the discussion about the particular problem.

I am not convinced that use of admin tools due to edit wars would change your mind, or Succu’s mind, in this dispute. User blocks would silence the trouble for a while and thus somehow protect the Wikidata project temporarily, but in the end nothing would be solved. I therefore hope that we can elaborate a strategy that helps both Succu and you to get along with each other much more than currently possible.

So, please take some time and step back a bit to reflect your own position and behavior in this dispute. I have already talked to Succu a lot, and I’m sure he’s doing the same (for a while now). Thanks and regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy: What strategy you suggest? I have plenty of evidence of Succu's hounding, and abusive statements - and not just towards me - not least his recent month long block for "Intimidating behaviour/harassment: obvious attempts at baiting/provocation, not long after a previous block for similar [behavior]". He will be unable to provide evidence of anything like that in the other direction. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:53, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
I have, although not very explicitly, indicated that I do not see any of you in a better position than the other side by writing “neither of you can gather substantial support for your positions by other users”. From an independent third-party observer’s position, both of your reputations take damage each time you interact with each other these days. Most editors even choose to avoid discussions where the two of you are involved in, due to the displeasing atmosphere to be expected. From what I see—and I have observed your interaction for a while now—it is not possible to blame any of you to be particularly more aggressive than the other side. The dispute is meanwhile detached from particular edit wars (although I gave an example above), so at this point we do not look for possible venues in particluar items or discussions, but rather look for a general improvement of the situation.
I thus see a need equally by both of you to reflect your positions, and then take some path to a solution you can both live with. Considering the amount of anger that has probably piled up on both sides, this will presumably be a complicated process for everyone involved. Since I’m not much of a supporter of externally enforced solutions/behavior patterns for conflict parties, I intentionally want to involve you, as I did and do with Succu as well, in the process of finding a strategy for the problem, without providing too many constraints or expectations that may be in the way later on. I’m sure that you have already had some thoughts about this problem here, considering the many occasions of edit wars in the past. Importantly, what I did indicate is that I don’t see the Wikidata administration (by use of admin tools) to be a solution to the problem at this point. If any attempts to get this solved fail it might be the last resort, but this is not something we should be thinking of at this point while attempting an informal mediation process.
As I said, you can take some time/days to think about this conflict as spontaneous reactions sometimes fall short of being well elaborated. You can formulate expectations and an own analysis of your point of view, or course. As outlined above, I suggest to assume an equal requirement to move on both sides, although this might feel odd for you in the beginning. I explicitly do not expect you to provide collected evidence for the other party’s presumed misconducts, as this does not help at all in a process of mediation. I do have my own view on the matter meanwhile, based on both of your interaction behaviors spreading over lots of pages and items, and do not need more of such input at this point. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask me here. —MisterSynergy (talk) 12:42, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Category:Invalid formatter URL

Hello.Please add an explanation of how to correct these errors.Thanks --David (talk) 08:53, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: Done; also category is now empty. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

BBLd switches to ISNI - user re-inserts 1000+ now broken IDs

As you have shown interest in ISNI:

BBLd switches to ISNI, all concerned IDs updated in WD, but user re-inserts 1000+ now broken IDs, creating cross-wiki link rot 17:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data feedback - structured licensing and copyright

Mockups of structured licensing and copyright statements on file pages are posted. Please have a look over the examples and leave your feedback on the talk page. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Problem: (Q27961346) + (Q10311463)

I have translated a spanish page to german thinking there was none more (Q27961346). Now I have discovered, that there is anoter page with the same person in portuguese language with a portuguese name (Q10311463), which describes the same person. What can be done to fuse both wikidata pages? --Traitrich (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@Traitrich: Please see Help:Merge. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the help.--Traitrich (talk) 03:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Andy

Welcome to BrisVegas. Klfair (talk) 01:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


Hi, Thank you for an informative wikidata workshop today. Joannathelibrarian (talk) 01:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Andy.

We are currently sitting next to the Brisbane River. While we can't buy you a beer right now, because you're teaching us about wikidata, there are pubs quite close by. Coastal.culture.vulture (talk) 01:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

hello Andy

Thanks for your visit! Mycatismaggie (talk) 01:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Andy

Thank you for the informative presentation and workshop on Wikidata today. I am keen to talk more about how copyright interacts with Wikidata. Elliottbledsoe (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Good Day Andy

Thanks for the useful lesson about editing Wikidata Leela.wittmer (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

English pronunciation

I say Data--BobXlib (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Bula Andy

Bula (hello in Fijian) Andy, can I buy you a beer? Cieart (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Andy. Thanks for an informative talk this morning.Rachwray (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Andy.

Welcome to Brizvegas!Vbates (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Andy

Hope you’re enjoying QldDeecee2000 (talk) 01:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


Hi Andy. Great talk today. I may buy you a beer! Fransplace (talk) 04:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


Hello Andy, Can i buy you a beer?Gmgmgm77 (talk) 04:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


G'day, mate. Oronsay (talk) 04:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


Hi Andy, how about this sunshine? Bwildie (talk) 04:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


Nice to meet you today. RBurgess1702 (talk) 04:27, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

slnsw workshop

Is there anybody out there Eothan (talk) 04:27, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


Hi Andy, hope you're enjoying Sydney. 564dude (talk) 04:27, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


How are you Andy? Marjm1654 (talk) 04:29, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

scientific articles

Hi. Thanks for yesterday. I notice that there are a number of articles in wikidata. However, I understood you to say that the plan was to put articles and books into Wikicite. Which is preferable? MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:29, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

@MargaretRDonald:It was good to met you yesterday. WikiCite is the name for the project curating a subset of Wikidata relating to citations, so adding metadata about papers or their authors to Wikidata adds it to WikiCite. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Thanks, Andy, very helpful. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:55, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

New discussion on Commons talk:Structured data

Hello. I've started a new, important discussion about creating properties for Commons on Wikidata. Please come join in, if the process is something that interests you or if you can help. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

link to your slides for the wikimedia Oz tour

@Pigsonthewing: Hi Andy. Would it be possible to supply a link to your slides for the wikimedia au tour? (I have not managed to locate them). Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@MargaretRDonald: I have just uploaded a set to FigShare. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:17, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Thanks very much, Andy. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

new items for wikidata

NT flora, SA flora, Vic Flora ids would be good for plant IDs See en:List of electronic Floras for links to their online pages, (thanks) MargaretRDonald (talk) 04:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

@MargaretRDonald: Proposal belatedly posted: Wikidata:Property proposal/VicFlora ID. Sorry it took so long. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Reverse table lookup

@Pigsonthewing: Hi Andy, I can look up "artist" and get (Q483501). But how do I look up Q5 and get its English name? Thanks, MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

@MargaretRDonald: I'm not sure what you mean, but try typing Q5 in the search box. For properties, use a P: prefix, like P:P496 or P:plant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: (for what it's worth, by reverse table look-up: I meant I can go from Human to Q5, but how do I go from (look up) Q475 to whatever entity has this wikidata ID?) But you have answered my question, for which many thanks. Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - upcoming changes to viewing old file page revisions

How old revisions of file pages work are likely going to have to change for structured data. There is information about the change on the SDC hub talk page, please read it over and leave feedback if you have any. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 15:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - IRC office hours today, 4 October

There will be an IRC office hour for Structured Data on Commons today, 4 October 2018, from 17:00-18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. You can find date/time conversion, as well as a link to join the chat in your browser if needed, on the IRC Office hours page on Meta. I look forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


You have been blocked for edit warring for 3 days. --Rschen7754 01:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

I find it remarkable that you have gone straight to a block, with no attempt to address, let alone resolve, the multiple issues I have raised around this case, on the project chat and admin noticeboard, over many months. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
You also allege, on the admin noticeboard, that I have "made numerous personal attacks and/or uncivil remarks" towards the other editors involved. While I have been the target of such abuse (for which one of the participants was previously blocked), you offer no evidence to support this ridiculous assertion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - search prototype

There is a search prototype for structured data on Commons available. Please visit the search prototype page on the structured data hub for information on testing and feedback. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposal of a new property

Good afternoon! I am about to propose a new property for Norwegian sites of cultural Heritage. The Norwegian Directorate for Cultural Heritage is describing their sites within a standard defination according to a list made and mainta ined by GEONORGE as produser of official Norwegian geodata. The list contains 599 items. The property will initially be specific to Norwegian items but may be used for other items as an item like "Bridge" or "Pier" in the GEONORGE list also will be the same for other items in general, but will of course not have any relation to the given property but can be used. So my quistion at this stage will be, should the property be proposed specificaly for Norwegian items and by so framed into a Limited Box, or should it be so general for all kind of items, but limited to the items contained on the GEONORGE list. Using instance of (P31) i think will just fill up the P31. Breg Pmt (talk) 18:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

@Pmt: I'd need to see specific examples to be sure, but from your description, I would go for the more general use case. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
{{Thank yuo very much for yuor answer. I have done some further search and found the same on pages on dutch, swedish and french Cultural Heritage pages so I think I just should propose a general property. Breg Pmt (talk) 10:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Yahoo! Japan Talent Database ID (P3284)!_Japan_Talent_Database_ID_(P3284)

can the links be put back, so we can see the original URL'S, is it as simple as setting the formatter URL to normal ? 18:00, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not clear what is being requested here. There is, however, some discussion on the property's talk page, which may be relevant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
i guess i am not making my self clear,but if something is broken you fix it or find somebody that can, in this case the page creator

and the other 2 people involved don't want to work on it and a bot can't yet ? you said - "Keep We don't need an external site for an identifier to be useful. We should not be discarding such data. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)" they deprecated it which made the links go away, the blue, but for some reason they forgot about the Internet Archive: Wayback Machine, User:ArthurPSmith has a bot that could fix it bring things back but the process needs to be reversed that is put back the blue links. i broutht this to the attention of the yahoo page creator and like you he got lost in the conversion but i told him about the page Q3244512 and he brought in arthur, who went in after 2 years of the links being dead and fixed things.because the blue links were still there, no discussion, he just fixed it so can you fix this there seems to be a lot of dead links in wikidata but no way to find them. 03:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

curating ORCIDs, but not sure if there's a better way

Greetings. I've been adding a bunch of academic papers and occasionally see ORCID info. If I want to paste those numbers into the Source Metadata tool, is there a best practice? Should I "add metadata from ORCID authors", then "create/amend papers from ORCID authors" in this order or in the reverse order? I'm hoping to create author data then, when I create papers, I hope to see "author" entries rather than "author name string". Which do you advise (or something completely different)? -Trilotat (talk) 05:10, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@Trilotat: Your former suggestion ""add metadata from ORCID authors", then "create/amend papers from ORCID authors" in this order " is what I do. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

completing "cites"

Greetings. Hoping there's an easy process here. I've been loading a bunch of scholarly articles, mainly in open access journals. I can find the full articles online, so I can find the works cited list. I have completed the "cites" list in a couple articles, but wow was that a pain. Seems a bot can connect the articles or must I add each cited article? Thanks. Trilotat (talk) 13:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Trilotat: I'm not aware of any bot doing this at present. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:53, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. -Trilotat (talk) 13:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

finding items where author_name_string has a matching item

Sorry for the unclear Subject above. I know this is discussed elsewhere. In fact I came here because of they query you provided at Property_talk:P2093. Thanks for that. I'm wondering if a bot could do that query and pull all the info from author name string, e.g. reference info, and drop it into author? There are some great bots out there creating items for articles, e.g. User:Research Bot. if some schmuck, e.g. me, later creates a proper item for one of those authors listed in a bunch of items as "author field", couldn't a bot clean that up? This seems too obvious, so it's probably been discussed and dismissed. Not very smart here, but trying to figure out how to help. Thanks, - Trilotat (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Trilotat: This is being done, by User:Reinheitsgebot and other tools, but is a mammoth task, so takes time. It depends on the author having an ORCID iD, and using it on papers whose DoI is on the ORCID record, and on the Wikidata item for the work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:35, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, that's good news. So I won't go through the process of doing the updates myself. But I will try to created the items with ORCID in the future- Trilotat (talk) 12:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
@Trilotat: You can add (or update) items about such authors quickly, by entering their ORCID iD at Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:12, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
That tool looks like it is useful. Thanks for pointing me to it. My first three batches posted. I am trying to figure out what they look like, but cannot find them in my contributions. I made a couple single line entries, but then then entered about 10 ISBNs, so I'm looking for the book or ISBN or anything that shows it was worth the few minutes gathering the ISBNs. Trilotat (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
@Trilotat: Edits are made by a bot, with your user name in the edit summary. You can see the QIDs of the items involved by drilling down through the "Your last batches" link; for instance, here is one of mine. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:27, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Wow! Thank you. You've really given me a powerful tool! -Trilotat (talk) 12:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I found it (thanks) and wanted to share one of mine. Please take a look; I welcome any technique advice. Many resulting items didn't get all the book info and I realized it's because the ISBN that I used wasn't in number form. I guess it was in the wrong format. It looked right, but it wasn't. I've requested deletion and will try again when the previous ISBN loaded items are gone. The example batch you sent seems to include your effort to add author string and then replacing it with author, which are author named items. I think I need to find ORCIDs and try to create author items, but that's not yet an easy task for me. I'm persistent. You've given me enough knowledge to make me dangerous. Thanks again. Trilotat (talk) 21:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Trilotat: For books, an alternative would be to gather and curate metadata in Zotero, then dump it from there into QuickStatemants, per Wikidata:Zotero. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
I admit I've not been able to make this work. On my MacBook, I now have a Zotero icon in my dock and something on my Google Chrome at top right to save webpage to Zotero using Snapshot (which I really don't understand.) I tried to follow the directions, but I cannot find a default exporting format for wikidata. Maybe this software isn't mac friendly, but more likely, I didn't something wrong in the setup. aargh. -Trilotat (talk) 20:19, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
@Trilotat: I'm not a Mac user, so can't give specific advice, but YouTube has several videos on how to install and/ or use Zotero on a Mac. Make sure any videos you refer to are recent, as Zotero has changed over time. Otherwise, the people in Zotero's website forum are helpful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
As always, you're so helpful. Thanks much! -Trilotat (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
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