User talk:Pigsonthewing/Archive 8

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Wikidata panel

I saw your messages during the panel, sorry we didn't have time to talk there. The slides are here if you're interested. Greetings, ━ ALBERTOLEONCIO Who, me? 12:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Problems with a lot of bird pages

Hi Andy - hope you don't mind my approaching you about this, I'm not sure how best to go about it. @Shizhao: recently (up to 1-2 November) added a whole lot of vernacular name data to bird pages (several hundred of them) from a Chinese source. This is fine as far as Chinese names are concerned; the problem is that Shizhao also added the source's English names, and they are full of typos and grammatical errors and also nonstandard apostrophes (and possibly also nonstandard alphabetic characters that look the same but use different unicodes, like a cyrillic 'е' looks the same as a latin 'e', but codes differently); and not only added these unreliable names to the taxon common name list, but also set them as the English label, replacing those sourced from the far more reliable IOC source (couple of examples: Himalayan White-browed Rosefinch (Q473713), Olive-backed Pipit (Q726873)). What's needed, and fairly urgently before the errors become embedded deep in the page histories, is to remove the dodgy English data and restore the IOC data, while keeping the presumably reliable Chinese data. I could do this (and have done a very few), but only very slowly (it would take me weeks to do!), and without keeping the Chinese data; it badly needs a robot to do it quickly and properly. I have requested Shizhao on his/her talk page, but s/he has not responded (perhaps due to poor knowledge of English?). Do you think you might be able to sort this out, or know someone who can? Thanks! Also @Succu: in case you can help out too. - MPF (talk) 22:59, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I would ask for a bot to revert all of the user's edits, in the given time period, that are changes to English-language labels aliases of vernacular names. You may need to show consensus for the reverts on the "Project chat" page, for a bot operator to accept the request. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:53, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Do you think you could do so, please? I'm not very good at that sort of thing - MPF (talk) 12:35, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Just post what you posted here, with a sentence asking for help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I'd still rather someone else with more experience of wikidata did so - I don't even know where to post the request ('Report a technical problem'? 'Requests for deletions'?), and certainly not how to phrase it correctly: my fear is my request would be ignored or rejected, because I did not use the correct wikidata jargon (which I find extremely impenetrable) - MPF (talk) 09:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

participant (P710)

We usually do not use this property to indicate interviewee's on works. Could you please not add it back? --Trade (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

It seems perfectly apt to me. What would be your proposed alternative? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

P1849

Just a quick note that P1849 (P1849) was recently nominated for deletion. --Infrastruktur (T | C) 03:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Pigsonthewing,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King's College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research, in which I have developed a personalised recommender system that suggests Wikidata items for the editors based on their past edits. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our system based on your previous edits. Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published to a research venue.

The study will start in late January 2022 or early February 2022, and it should take no more than 30 minutes.

If you agree to participate in this study, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSees9WzFXR0Vl3mHLkZCaByeFHRrBy51kBca53euq9nt3XWog/viewform?usp=sf_link I will contact you with the link to start the study.

For more information about the study, please read this post: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Kholoudsaa In case you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me through my mentioned email.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk) 22:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

identifiant Les Archives du spectacle

Good evening Andy
I thanks you for having creating the property of Les Archives du Spectacle which I discovered is a real gold mine ([1])
As it is just focused to people, I wanted to know if it was possible to add the structures.
I made a contribution lastly directly on Wikipédia because it is not possible at this time on Wikidata : [2]
If it is possible on my own, can you tell me how to do ? I know how to create an element but I didn't find to create another type, just a lexem below.
Kind regards.
Nezdek (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nezdek: That would require a separate property. Would you like to propose one, and if so, do you need help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:04, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick answer !

Instead of the Property P1977 (https://www.lesarchivesduspectacle.net/?IDX_Personne=), a new one would be : https://www.lesarchivesduspectacle.net/?IDX_Organisme=

. Nezdek (talk) 21:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nezdek: Yes. See Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control for examples of similar proposals, and guidelines. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:08, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata guide to appealing blocks

You noted on Twitter that Wikidata apparently has no equivalent of en:Wikipedia:Appealing a block. You may be interested to take a look at User:Bovlb/Guide_to_appealing_blocks. Bovlb (talk) 19:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Related discussion at Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2022/06#Guide_to_appealing_blocks and MediaWiki_talk:Blockedtext. Bovlb (talk) 19:07, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Pigsonthewing

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King's College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research, in which I have developed a personalised recommender model that suggests Wikidata items for the editors based on their past edits.

I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our model based on your previous edits.

Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published to a research venue.

The study should take no more than 20 minutes.

If you agree to participate in this study, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSees9WzFXR0Vl3mHLkZCaByeFHRrBy51kBca53euq9nt3XWog/viewform?usp=sf_link

Then, I will contact you with the link to start the study.

In case you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me through my mentioned email.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 19:38, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Q116995820

Dear Pigsonthewing

I unknownigly created a page about a tv-movie (Inspectores 2) in Q116995820 that I only discovered later that it already existed in Q1618081. I was able to correct it but I don't know how to erase the page I shouldn* t have created. Please help. Traitrich (talk) 04:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Traitrich: The answer is to merge the items - see Help:Merge. I've done that in this instance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the information.--Traitrich (talk) 12:04, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

National Cartoonists Society

Hi. A few years back, you helped set up National Cartoonists Society member ID (P5622); however, the NCS has completely overhauled their website, and all the entries are now broken. To make matters worse, they're broken in two different ways: living cartoonists and dead ones don't have the same URL structure. So the fix that I'm able to implement for dead cartoonists doesn't work for live ones, and just makes things worse (see my contributions).

I can recognize regex, but I can't use it. Can you help fix this? Thanks. DS (talk) 15:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

There's been no discussion on the the property talk page. I've started one there; please join it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:20, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Plural labels discussion

Hi, I would advise against engaging that IP editor in discussion. The IP WHOIS data and pattern of behaviour match an LTA we have here. The LTA likes to provoke editors into pointless arguments, so it is best to ignore them until they provide the admins with enough evidence that they are block evading and their latest accounts/IP ranges are blocked as well. From Hill To Shore (talk) 11:53, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

References you added to Q113531294

Hi. I see added references to Q113531294 that involved links to Daniel Benjamin Miller's personal website and social media accounts, which I reverted. There was resiliently a deletion request for the entry based partially on it being promotional where the outcome was that the entry wouldn't be deleted if links to his own website and social media accounts were removed. So I'd appreciate it if you didn't add them back. Otherwise, I'll just nominate the entry for deletion again. I rather not have to though since there was already a consensus to leave it but without the promotional links. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 07:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Response at Wikidata:Project chat#Deletion of valid references. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

...to which any further comments should be addressed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

GB1900 ID (P9284)

Hi Andy,

how would you enter a GB1900 id? I've tried at Formby Lifeboat Station (Q120690400) and it is more cumbersome compared to other properties.-- U. M. Owen (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@U. M. Owen: See the example given at Q26458246#P9284 - note that the qualifying coordinates are not those of the subject of the item, but of the entry in GB1900. The URL qualifier may not be necessary, but if you wish to add it is derived from the latter coordinates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:34, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Are some editors using a JavaScript for doing so?--U. M. Owen (talk) 16:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure there is a script. There may be bots involved, or some other external tool. User:Jheald has done most of the work on this dataset. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment on RFD

Hi! I was unhappy with a comment you made on RFD: "Then you should resign your admin tools."

I think you made some very good points in this discussion, but I don't think that expressing yourself in this specific way is helpful in advancing the conversation. Even if we accept the proposition that the swift deletion of this item was an error, it seems excessive to call for resignation over one error. If you do feel that it would be appropriate to ask an administrator to resign their tools, that should probably be something you take up privately on the admin's talk page. If you feel so strongly about this that you feel some community censure of the admin would be appropriate, then you should start an appropriate discussion on WD:AN, laying out the evidence.

In particular, I feel that injecting remarks like this into a discussion puts your target in a difficult position, because this isn't a venue where it would be appropriate for them to defend themselves. They either have to ignore your remark or follow you down a tangent, distracting everyone from the issue at hand.

I hope you can see why I think that such remarks may come across as uncivil, no matter how heartfelt your feelings are on the matter. Please consider striking the comment. Thanks. Bovlb (talk) 20:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I did not "call for resignation over one error". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

OK, maybe I'm missing some other history here, but it sure looks like you did.

I think my third paragraph above is my key point, and I ought to have emphasised it more. Accusations and calls for resignation should only be made in a way and in a venue where it is appropriate for the target to defend themselves. That thread should be about whether the item ought to be deleted. Bovlb (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Let me put the same point a different way: I'm urging you to "Comment on content, not on the contributor" and avoid "accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence". I consider "you should resign" to be a comment on the contributor and, while not taking the surface form of an accusation, is effectively an accusation that your target has misused their tools. As I said before, such accusations are only appropriate to make in a venue where it is appropriate for the target to defend themselves, and in a way that substantiates the accusation enough that it can meaningfully be discussed. Bovlb (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

He did misuse his tools; and there is clear evdience of that. That is not why he should resign them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

OK, but my point — take it or leave it — is that even if all of that were true, I still don't think it's appropriate to throw a remark like that into that specific thread. Bovlb (talk) 21:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

User script

Hello. Here's the unfinished user script I've started. Wanted to give you a link for your records. Will try to finish it this weekend. User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/LongHandCitationReplacer.js Novem Linguae (talk) 15:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Thank you. Unfortunately, your button is overlaying the one inserted by the DuplicateReferences gadget. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Andy. I activated DuplicateReferences and was unable to reproduce the error. Can you possibly post a screenshot or double check that it is actually this gadget with the issue? Novem Linguae (talk) 08:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Here you go:

• 
  before - just DuplicateReferences
• 
  after - both scripts

Note that I also use the Compact items gadget, which may complicate matters.

Cheers, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Numismatics

I've tried reading through the guides, and the learning curve is way too steep - there are concepts I don't even recognize, much less understand.

What's the first step in having a property for the NNP, given that it has thousands of biographical entries, a bunch of which are already on WD? DS (talk) 03:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: I can draft a proposal for you, but the first thing I need, please, are four examples of people who are already on Wikidata, and the URLs of their pages on that site. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Walter Breen (https://nnp.wustl.edu/Library/PersonDetail/323) (Q7965022)
• Don Taxay (https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/PersonDetail/1892) (Q5293600)
• William H. Key (https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/PersonDetail/1137) (Q122338769)
• Farran Zerbe (https://nnp.wustl.edu/Library/PersonDetail/2089) (Q5436227)

DS (talk) 00:24, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Done; see Wikidata:Property proposal/Newman Numismatics Portal ID and please indicate your support, there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:20, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Personal attack for admin action

I took an admin action you obviously don't agree with. You can comment on that, that's no problem, but personal attacks like this one are not acceptable. That's where I draw the line. Maybe this comment was done in the heat of the moment so I'm giving you the opportunity to apologize. Multichill (talk) 19:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

There was no personal attack. "Disgraceful abuse of admin privileges" very clearly describes the action, not you, and is a perfectly legitimate observation. And I'm not the only person to criticise it. It is you who should apologise, for your ultra vires action; and for attempting to chill criticism of your untoward behaviour in this manner. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:16, 19 November 2023 (UTC)