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Svenske kirker + "samling av byggnader"

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Hjart (talkcontribs)

Det vil være en ret enkel operation at køre følgende søgning, der finder alle svensker kirker (~2500 stk) med architectural ensemble (Q1497375), og derefter via Quickstatements fjerne Q1497375. Skal jeg gøre det?

SELECT ?kirke ?kirkeLabel WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?kirke wdt:P31 wd:Q16970.
  ?kirke wdt:P17 wd:Q34.
  ?kirke wdt:P31 wd:Q1497375.
}
Try it!
Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Could be done I feel it was added 2 records for every church in Sweden but one record is enough. The problem is that the data is from the Swedish Swedish National Heritage Board (Q631844) that has much more information about church buildings.....

Larske (talkcontribs)

@Hjart:, I suggest that you ask Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talkcontribslogs) about the reason for adding the value architectural ensemble (Q1497375) to the property instance of (P31) before making any mass removals. I guess it has something to do with the properties heritage designation (P1435), architect (P84) and the external identifier Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260) (and maybe more). If the architectural ensemble (Q1497375) and the church building (Q16970) should be treated as separate Wikidata objects, it is a much bigger project that just a "quick removal" as you suggest above.

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

@Larske I feel we had a discussion on Swedish "Bybrunnen" some years ago about this. The reason is that Swedish National Heritage Board (Q631844) has both "anläggning"(more buildings) and "byggnad" ( one building) which is overkill for Wikipedia and Wikidata... in Swedish the definitions wordlist

Hjart (talkcontribs)

I've always wondered about the purpose of that value here. It really makes little sense to me. So far I've come to the conclusion that it was used as some sort of "default" value. A lot of the instance of (P31)s of i.e. her import of Danish ancient monument ID (P3596)s were/are rather weird too.

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)
Hjart (talkcontribs)

Please note that I've just now managed to merge 437 duplicate Swedish churches. I didn't yet figure out how to programmatically remove duplicate coords, so most of them still have those.

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Thanks

Reply to "Svenske kirker + "samling av byggnader""

Potentiella dubbletter för begravningsplats objekt

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Larske (talkcontribs)

Hej, du kanske kan ha nytta av följande fråga.

  • Länk till fråga som ger en lista på par av objekt som är instans av begravningsplats inom samma administrativa område (kommun) och som har koordinater som skiljer sig mindre än 100 meter.

Av de 19 paren finns det flera dubbletter, men några kanske är helt ok att ha som separata objekt. Jag har inte kollat närmare men misstänker att du är pappa till många av dessa dubbletter. Det kan också hända att det är koordinaterna för något av objekten i paret som felaktiga (copy-paste?)

Bra om du kan ta en titt på detta och göra "merge" där så är lämpligt.

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

@Larske tackar det jagt inte gillar med begravningsplatser är att även kyrka kan vara både kyrka och begravningsplats....

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

@Larske Är en del saker importerade från fornminnesregistret Q29577695 och Q105529159 frågan är om dom är samma sak eller bara ligger nära varandra... känns som jag missa kyrkogårdssemantik kursen på mellanstadiet....

Reply to "Potentiella dubbletter för begravningsplats objekt"

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

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Kholoudsaa (talkcontribs)

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Reply to "Call for participation in a task-based online experiment"
Hjart (talkcontribs)

Jeg har i dag tilføjet located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) til 1000+ svenske orter ved hjælp af nedenstående hjemmestrikkede Bash kommandolinjekode. Cirka 480 svenske orter mangler coordinate location (P625) (se https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=21156254). Kan du finde ud af at importere dem?


#Find svenske "orter" per kommune ("Orter i X kommun") på svwiki uden P131. ZZhqYWw4.tsv er en petscan af "Kategori:Orter i Sverige efter kommun". svenskakommun.tsv er en liste på formen "qvalue,svensk kommunenavn". output er qvalues for "ort,kommun". for orter in $(gawk -F'\t' '$2 ~ /Orter_i_.+_kommun/ {print $2}' ZZhqYWw4.tsv); do curl --data-urlencode "categories=$orter" -d "format=tsv" -d "psid=21153908" "https://petscan.wmflabs.org/" | gawk -F'\t' -v orter="$orter" '$1 ~ /[1-9]/ {print $7 "\t" substr(orter,9)}'; done | tr '_' ' ' | gawk -F'\t' 'BEGIN {print "qid,P131"} FNR==NR{a[$2]=$1; next;} a[$2] {print $1 "," a[$2]}' svenskakommun.tsv - > svenskaorterP131.tsv

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Är det inte mycket importerad skräp? det importeras massa dubletter etc, har du exempel...

Hjart (talkcontribs)

Jeg har ikke umiddelbart set dubletter, men jeg kan prøve at at tjekke efter om der er sammenfald af navne eller lignende.

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Vilken källa är det? 1 miljon artiklar på svenska WIkipedia har deletats för att dom automatskapats från dålig data...

Hjart (talkcontribs)
Hjart (talkcontribs)

Jeg har ikke kigget på de svenske artiklers kilder. Indtil videre er jeg udelukkende gået efter hvad der var i "Kategori:Orter i Sverige efter kommun".

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

I exemplet du gav fanns koordinaten i websidan....

Hjart (talkcontribs)

Korrekt. Mit ønske var at få dem overført til wikidata automatisk. Når det kun er et par håndfulde der er tale om kan man sagtens gøre det manuelt, men når det er flere hundrede...

Reply to "Svenske orter uden P625"
Hellknowz (talkcontribs)

Hi! I (accidentally) saw you create Q110456810 for use by Q6256938, but it seems like it's a translation (and duplicate) of Q16849727? Is the new item a different occupation? —  HELLKNOWZ  TALK  enWiki 14:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for asking. Could be but I think its important that we have the same naming as in the source.... see https://portrattarkiv.se/details/sj9PGLAlnmUAAAAAABfRCg

  • in general occupations is a mess....
  • in this case I feel its very historical incorrect swedish naming to call a person "verksamhetskonsult " when active 1950....
  • we had this merging problem for "botanist" vs. "botaniker" see Talk:Q46058221 .... then it was Google Translate that said its the same.... when I asked the national archives they said they didnt know ;-)


The basic problem I feel is that we in Wikidata has no common goal/vision if the source is the most important or if "Google translate" should decide if its same as

Hellknowz (talkcontribs)

Sounds good and thanks for the detailed clarification! I was just concerned if it's a mistake or not. Do what you think is best, since I don't know anything about the subject, this occupation, nor do I speak Swedish. :)

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Hi as said this is complex.... and I guess neither you and me are domain specialists.... I have looked into how occupations are handled by the archives in Sweden and its even worse see GITHUB in Swedish https://github.com/salgo60/HISCOKoder


My wild guess ....

  • before professionals has problem organize occupations so they are consistent between sources we will get even more mess in WIkidata as we import from everywhere
  • maybe we should use Lexeme
  • maybe use SKOS exact match (P2888) / broader concept (P4900) .....
  • try to use external classifications for historical occupations as HISCO


My opinion

until we have a strategy add whats in the source and dont merge

Reply to "(Q110456810)"
Sturban (talkcontribs)

Såg att du använde Hovfotograf under befattningar. Just nu är det en instans av Titel, men egentligen borde det väl liksom Hovleverantör vara en utmärkelse?

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Hovfotograf, Hovleverantör"
Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talkcontribs)
Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Not sure.... ;-) this could be a source https://forum.rotter.se/index.php?board=11939.0 and I guess you can ask in english

  • pv. dont know
  • pastorataadj = pastoratsadjunkt
  • tilltr = tillträdde
  • p. e. b. dont know need to check maybe in some genealogy books
  • ibm. = normally means that a person is born in the same place as the person mentioned before
  • f. = född
  • vt. = vårtermin


not easy at all...

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talkcontribs)

Thanks!

Reply to "Can you help me with abbreviations"
SKim (WMF) (talkcontribs)

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Kolja21 (talkcontribs)

Hi Salgo, some of the properities of the film director Q104196432 belong to the journalist Q65140581. If you take a look at VIAF there are many mixed Laurent Richards. Creating an item for one of them without a date of birth is quite tricky.

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Thanks are you better than me to fix it? its a little bit outside my comfort zone

Kolja21 (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Laurent Richard"
Popperipopp (talkcontribs)

I got some unexpected results when working with NUTS regions. After some digging, I noticed you changed the property NUTS code (P605) to accomodate a seemingly different property. You also added NUTS codes to thousands of beaches. This surely must be a mistake? I can't find any documentation that NUTS codes include non-administrative places like beaches.

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

Popperipopp

Swedish Agency for Marine and Water Management (Q10518645) use nutsCode for bath waters in the API see project github salgo60/Svenskabadplatser

When they send this data to European Environment Agency (Q632988) they call it bathingWaterIdentifier

  • See request for new property bathingWaterIdentifier
  • Question Hav issues/54 "Lifscykeln för badplats IDn önskas Havs- och vattenmyndighetens Nutskod vs. bathingWaterIdentifier"


Dont hesitate to call me 0735152802 its a small mess....


I also try to push for a pattern that all bathwaters in Sweden are registered at Hav see https://github.com/salgo60/Svenskabadplatser/issues/96


One question is if Hav can create a bathingWaterIdentifier for a non EU bath....

Popperipopp (talkcontribs)
Salgo60 (talkcontribs)

I guess its bad naming and that some part is from the Nutscode but I will try to sort this out.... Thanks for pointing out on this oddity....


If you can vote on the proposal Wikidata:Property proposal/bathingWaterIdentifier so we can move them to that field

Salgo60 (talkcontribs)
Reply to "NUTS confusion"