Silesianus

Catalonia-Andorra

I added Catalonia (Q5705) in Andorra (Q228) because shares border with (P47) has a symmetric constraint (Andorra (Q228) is in Catalonia (Q5705)'s shares border with (P47) item) What should be done? --Davidpar (talk) 14:28, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, the description of shares border with (P47) states "countries or administrative subdivisions, of equal level, that this item borders, either by land or water". Since Andorra (Q228) is sovereign state (Q3624078), it should have listed only France (Q142) and Spain (Q29). Catalonia (Q5705) has no equal level in administrative structure of Andorra (Q228), so it shouldn't have Andorra (Q228) listed in shares border with (P47). See Occitania (Q18678265). --Silesianus (talk) 14:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

John Soběslav of Luxembourg-Moravia (Q566463)

Italian, German & Spanish items are speaking about Patriarch of Aquileia (Q27981384). Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. :-) --Carlomorino (talk) 16:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, nobody really care about development in obscure Bohemian history, I guess :). The Czech historiography described for 100 years that John Soběslav of Luxembourg-Moravia (Q566463) was patriarch of Aquileia, but recent research (2017, well documented, published and widelly accepted in Czechia) found out that it was actually John of Moravia (Q30005102). I can write something useful only in English, so I was unable to actualize other pages as well. I hoped somebody will just notice it on en.wiki and rewrite the articles accordingly. --Silesianus (talk) 17:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Updated John of Moravia (Q30005102). Ciao. --Carlomorino (talk) 13:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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Vyžuona

Vážený kolego, Vy mi chcete dělat problémy už i na wikidatech. Buďte tak laskav a přesuňte štítek pro kategorii na Commons z Category:Vyžuona na Category:Vyžuona (tributary of Šventoji), protože těch Vyžuon je více, přinejmenším čtyři, z nich jedna je přítokem Nemunėlisu, další není řeka, ale jezero, a ještě další je ves v okrese Rokiškis. To, že do těch posledních dvou ještě nikdo nenahrál obrázky ještě nic neznamená, nemusí to trvat dlouho a budou. --Kusurija (talk) 18:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

USS Lexington (Q838148)

Hola Silesianus.Quina és la raó del «preferred rank» a instance of (P31)? Aquest vaixell ha estat un tipus diferent en diferents èpoques, els valors de P31 estan correctament delimitats en el temps amb start time (P580) i end time (P582). Gràcies.--Kette~cawiki (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Grand Prince Wanpung (Q8512758)

Re [1] - could you add a better English label for the item, please? Otherwise the bot will add it back the next time it runs... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:06, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

To transcript Korean text to Czech language, I use this. I don't know which transcription (McCune & Reischauer/Yale/oficial Korean) use Wikidata for English language. It could be Wanpung, Wanp'ung or Wanphung. --Silesianus (talk) 11:15, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I've added the three to the item. The one with the ' in the middle is probably the least likely. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:29, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

BTW it is unwise to use Czech labels for English ones in most cases, because Czech has an extensive system of its own transcription from many non-latin scripts. Czech alphabet has 42 letters, so it is not compatible with English speaking database. (For comparison: Tereshchenko (Q12804008) Tereshchenko/Těreščenko). --Silesianus (talk) 11:37, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info, I've removed cs from the list of language codes that the script uses. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Can you provide a single reference from an authentic source...more authentic being from the Grand Ducal Court of Luxembourg or the House of Bourbon-Parma which lists either two women being members of the House of Bourbon-Parma, especially considering they, nor their parents or siblings are members of the House of Bourbon-Parma. I shall give you a day until I revert your Vandalism. https://sip.gouvernement.lu/dam-assets/publications/brochure-livre/minist-etat/sip/livre/famille_grand-ducale/La_famille_grand-ducale-EN.pdf}  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by DerDeutscheFotograf (talk • contribs) at 15:22‎, 25 April 2021 (UTC).

Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg (Q15988) has family (P53) set as House of Luxembourg-Nassau (Q3477191) which is neither House of Nassau-Weilburg (Q697685). And that item is part of (P361) of House of Bourbon-Parma (Q895187), House of Luxembourg (Q122293) and House of Nassau (Q646085). As per French article fr:Seconde maison de Nassau (La maison luxembourgeoise de Nassau est une branche cadette de la maison de Bourbon-Parme issue de Félix de Bourbon-Parme, huitième fils du dernier duc de Parme régnant, Robert Ier. L'actuel grand-duc de Luxembourg, Henri, est issu de cette maison.). Your source state the house is "Luxembourg-Nassau", which would be the House of Luxembourg-Nassau (Q3477191), not the House of Nassau-Weilburg (Q697685). And as I'm looking at House of Nassau-Weilburg (Q697685) itself, it's mixture of noble family (Q13417114) and countship (Q353344). WD as always pile of mess. I agree that there is a law in Luxembourg, that like in Netherlands or UK set the royal house as a cognatic entity (this means no matter the sex of the monarch and their successors, they will be refered to as that house "by law", thus "de iure"). But you can't dismiss agnatic rules of genealogy, that Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg (Q15988) father Prince Félix, Prince Consort of Luxembourg (Q445045) was of House of Bourbon-Parma (Q895187), thus his descendants in a male line (which both Archduchess Marie-Astrid of Austria (Q1657677) and Princess Margaretha of Luxembourg (Q1653603) are) are of House of Bourbon-Parma (Q895187). Not by law of the country, but by geneaology, thus "de facto". We can set House of Nassau-Weilburg (Q697685) (or should it be House of Luxembourg-Nassau (Q3477191)??) as preffered value, if you like. --Silesianus (talk) 16:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

And BTW Habsburgs died off in 1740 in male line and in 1780 died Maria Theresa of Austria (Q131706), the last living member of House of Habsburg... The house that ruled Austria from 1780 onwards were House of Habsburg-Lorraine (Q645719), cadet branch of House of Lorraine (Q2638011). --Silesianus (talk) 16:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Reverting

Dear Silesianus. I sometimes enter the original letters of a word or a name from languages with non-latin letters into wikidata in Norwegian. I do this to avoid empty Q-numbers from showing up in our infoboxes at the Norwegian Wikipedia. My question to you is simple; why do you remove them? Yours sincerely, Orf3us (talk) 08:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Because they are not Norwegian, obviously. --Silesianus (talk) 09:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift reply and for your explanation. Do you take special interest in Norwegian wikipedia, and will you continue to revert my editings? Orf3us (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I delete all labels that appear incorrect. I will delete Chinese/Japanese/Arabic/Cyrilic labels from languages using latin script. Let me just tell you, that filling a label with "something" just for the sake of filling it is not very good approach. In fact, it is really bad one. My native wiki, the Czech one, too uses WD data to fill infoboxes. So I have my expectations on how the system work in praxis:

1. Readers really don't mind, if there is Q1076147, چونقکینق دنقدای لیفان فوتبال کولوبو or 重庆两江竞技足球俱乐部 in infobox. They are likewise incomprehensible for them.
2. If you add wrong label, it is REALLY hard to find out (unless you visit that one specific article on wiki that is using that label, or that one specific label here on WD). It will create a lot of work for someone who will come after you to repair your damage (and yes, it is a damage). Personal experience.

There is really no advantage to have this kind of labeling, it just seems to me like "I want this list clear, no matter the cost". --Silesianus (talk) 19:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you again for your reply. Editiors of the Norwegian wikipedia do mind, in fact there have been complaints about the Q-numbers in the infoboxes. My intention was therefore to try to make the infoboxes more acceptable to Norwegian wikipedians, not to start a conflict with other language wikis.

I am sorry for any inconvenience this has caused you and your native wiki. Orf3us (talk) 20:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Sergej Šojgu

Zdravím, píšu v češtině, protože se to týká čistě češtiny, tak snad nevadí: U položky Sergei Shoigu (Q32024) vkládáte do popisné části jako hlavní jméno včetně otčestva ([2] [3]). Na rovinu, vůbec netuším k čemu by to mělo být dobré, ale vzhledem k tomu, že jste mě již jednou v této věci revertoval (původně jsem věc opravoval s tím, že to asi bude nějaká nedůležitá mýlka), tak to asi pro Vás je značně důležité. Proto se Vás raději ptám, k čemu to má být dobré? --marv1N (talk) 08:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

No tak je to jeho celé oficiální jméno. Osobně jsem to, když jsem tu začínal, pochopil jako zdejší úzus a doplňuji, vypisuji to tak u všech Rusů, Bělorusů a Ukrajinců. Jestli jsem něco revertoval nebo ne, to nevím, nepamatuji si každou vyplněnou položku (a zrovna na reálie spojené s nelatinkovými písmy se tu specializuji). --Silesianus (talk) 08:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Ještě jako dovysvětlení. Myslím si, že jelikož jsou WD databáze, měly by být položky se stejným tématem dělány podle jednoho mustru. Jelikož WD dávno přerostla svou úlohu jako „ocásek Wikipedie“, tak si myslím, že by se neměl tolik brát ohled na název článku na Wikipedii, ale spíš na jednotný styl položky. V případě Rusů, Bělorusů a Ukrajinců se přidáním otčestva v názvu položky dá předejít editačním konfliktům (tj. stejný název a popis položek) a nutnosti použít další rozlišení. Osobně bych byl nejraději, pokud by si zdejší česká datová komunita odsouhlasila, jak mají vypadat nejpoužívanější typy položek (např. osoby, jména, sídla atd.). Pokud by se třeba dohodlo, že Rusové, Bělorusové a Ukrajinci by se měli používat bez otčestva (resp. verze s otčestvem jako alias), pak bych se tím samozřejmě řídil. --Silesianus (talk) 08:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Díky za vysvětlení, byť asi vidím zásadní neshodu :-). Snažím se být aktivní jak na Wikidatech, tak na české Wikipedii, tak aby oba projekty měly z této činnost největší užitek, to co popisujete na mě působí jako "unifikace pro unifikaci", ze které nemá užitek nikdo. Je jasné, že Wikidata nejsou ocáskem Wikipedie, i tak se mi nepozdává, že by existovala důvod pro odlišování hlavního popisu od názvu článku (jednak z kolegiálních důvodů - česká Wikipedie je velmi pro wikidatistická, takže na mnoha místech se tahají popisy přímo z Wikidat a tohle si myslím zbytečně působí zmatky a v důsledku může způsobit příkop mezi projekty; a jednak systém určování názvu článku na české Wikipedii je rozumný). I kdybychom se na tomto neshodli, tak si stále myslím, že by hlavní popis by měl reflektovat nejběžnější český úzus. Konečně čistě wikidatisticky: Tenhle přístup podle mě neuplatňuje žádný jiná jazyková datová komunita, otčestvo ze "západních jazyků" používá jen slovneština, němčina, ale tam je takhle jméno i na Wikipedii. --marv1N (talk) 10:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Prezidenti Česka

Mohl bych se zeptat, proč odstraňujete informaci z popisků u prezidentů Česka a Československa a zdali k tomu existuje nějaký koncenzus s pohledem ne to, že taková informace je běžná v jiných jazykových mutacích. Martin Tauchman (talk) 09:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Júlia Bacardit (Q116823159)

Aus welchem Grund hast du die Beschreibung auf Deutsch und Englisch von "katalanische/Catalan" zu "spanische/Spanish" geändert? FreakyN (talk) 11:14, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

country of citizenship (P27): Spain (Q29) Silesianus (talk) 12:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Apostrof

@Kacir: Zdravím, ta diskuse je na české Wikipedii stále otevřená (většina byla zatím proti odstraňování apostrofu), takže budu jenom rád, pokud se ji zúčastníte (přeci jen jste to byl Vy, kdo navrhl články na přejmenování). Ale byl bych nerad, kdyby stále docházelo k těmto situacím. Děkuji RiniX (talk) 12:56, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Rodné/křestní jméno

Hi, I see that you are improving the description of the surnames in Czech, you don't have to rewrite them one by one, because there is a gadget that does it quickly. Talk to Harmonia Amanda to correct the description here, but make sure the Czech description is good, because what you're typing now doesn't mean the same thing as what the item contains, according to Google Translate:

mužské rodné jméno = male birth name
mužské křestní jméno = male first name

(I don't speak Czech, I can't decide, maybe what you're doing is good, but according to Google it's not.) Bye! Pallor (talk) 10:11, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pallor:: "křest" is a "baptism" baptism (Q35856), "křestní jméno" thus mean "baptismal/Christian name" Christian name (Q2396897). It is commonly used to refer to a "first name" in Czech, cause we were Christian country. "Rodné jméno" a "křestní jméno" is basically interchangeable, but "rodné jméno" is more neutral. What's more, the given name (Q202444) is named "rodné jméno" and male given name (Q12308941) is named "mužské rodné jméno", so I don't know, why the descriptions in separate names say (and why they should say) "křestní jméno". With regards --Silesianus (talk) 10:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, it's interesting that the Hungarian label was recently corrected based on exactly the same line of thought, so that it should not be a "christening" name, but a "surname". Anyway, talk to Amanda to correct the text in the gadget called "Namescript". Pallor (talk) 09:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Merging 2 pages

They mean the same thing. HelpfulHens (talk) 16:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

No, one is a list of states with limited recognition and second is the actual state with limited recognition. Silesianus (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Japanese family names

Please don't change the English descriptions, they are mostly consistent with each other at present. I appreciate that you prefer "surname", but Wikidata in general doesn't. And I don't know why you'd remove "Japanese", a typical reader isn't going to know that "荻島" is Japanese without being told. —Xezbeth (talk) 12:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

artillery model

Could you have a look at what I'm trying to do at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Military_History#merging_the_firearm_model,_model_series,_family_etc_into_weapon_model,_series,_family, and give your opinions there. Vicarage (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Can you please stop changing weapon back to artillery model, and engage in discussion about it above. Vicarage (talk) 14:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Indeed ukr. Петро is Petro?

Hi. You've been editing wikis for a long time. And you know very well that Петро Petro (Q39312312) and Petro Petro (Q15898089) must have different elements of the Wikidata. Therefore, the more so - here is your editing. I regard this action of yours as frankly incorrect. Please return all links to this item. Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have merged Петро Petro (Q39312312) with Петро Petro (Q16085472). I regard this action of mine as frankly correct. --Silesianus (talk) 13:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

as far as I know the rules, they should be different elements. Therefore, I am asking you to restore it. Otherwise, I will contact the administrators. Did you really do not understand that Cyrillic is not Latin ? If you have done something like this more than once, then I ask you to correct something else as well. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Why should be Serbian Петро be different than Ukrainian Петро? I've merged Ukrainian one ([4]) into the Serbian one [5]. Both are cyrillic. What is your problem? --Silesianus (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I didn't talk to you about the Serbian name Petro. I spoke about the names ukr. Петро and Petro. regarding the Serbian name Петрo, I suppose they can be temporarily combined, but I'm not 100% sure, because I hardly know Serbian. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

? I had only one edit on Petro (Q15898089) before this discussion and it was this. Change from křestní to rodné according to male given name (Q12308941). So what is your point? Where did I insinuate that these two are one? I'm confused. And please stop editing this page every 2 seconds, I would like to actually save my response to you for once. --Silesianus (talk) 13:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Please answer a simple question: do you know Ukrainian? --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Please tell me what I did wrong? Where did I insinuate that Петро Petro (Q39312312) and Petro Petro (Q15898089) are the same and should be merged? --Silesianus (talk) 13:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

we don't always have power (it can be turned off at any time) so I'm editing it like this and I'll try to figure it out. For a start, it can be. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm really confused. What do you mean? You accuse me that I want to merge Petro (Q39312312) (cyrillic) and Petro (Q15898089) (latin), which I don't, cause cyrillic and latin names should not be merged, and your proof is link to merger between the Ukrainian and Serbian article (both cyrillic)? Which is btw about Ukrainian name. --Silesianus (talk) 13:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry. I understand you, please don't be offended ) but I also ask you to understand me. I rarely edited here for about 2 months, I'm looking for an element about the Ukrainian name Petro (which I was used to before - Q39312312) - and I can't find it (so added this one [6]). I also find this edit - that's why I wrote that this edit is vandalism. Because I couldn't find the element! and the system did not show it to me. Once again, please do not be offended. Good luck ) --Бучач-Львів (talk) 14:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

So was this all because when merging Petro (Q39312312) with Petro (Q16085472) it kept the decription of Petro (Q16085472) withouth the "(Петро)" bit? If so, that is unfortunate and wasn't ment to happened. I just randomly found Petro (Q16085472) and wanted it to merge INTO Petro (Q39312312), but it seems the merge gadget doesn't work as anticipated. --Silesianus (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)