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Dear Sjoerddebruin; I have seen your edit at Wikimedia Belgium (Q18398868) and want to let you know that the number of Wikidata:Database reports/WMF projects has increased to more then 385. You may be interested in adding labels and descriptions in other languages, follow the discussion at property talk:P218#whats next, property talk:P219, property talk:P220, property talk:P1800 and comment there. Best regards Gangleri also aka I18n (talk) 10:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC) / I18n (talk) 10:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Deletion (Q22669038)

Hi, it would be great if you could explain your reasoning for the deletion of this page:

I would have thought the "serious and publicly available" external references provided would have qualified it under the notability policy.


Google Plus and LinkedIn aren't enough to qualify it under the notability policy. If that were enough, we would be a huge database of persons and companies, a Google Plus and LinkedIn account are created in just a few minutes. Mbch331 (talk) 17:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Mbch331 - I wasn't referring to Google Plus and LinkedIn. Other references included articles in The Guardian and PR Week, the website of Corporate Citizenship's parent company, Chime Communications, and the Wikipedia page for Bell Pottinger. Thanks.
Wikipedia pages aren't considered trustworthy sources, so those don't count. Must say I didn't see the other links, because sources are collapsed by default. @Sjoerddebruin: could you take another look. Mbch331 (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
The subject can have "serious and publicly available" external references", but those need to be added to the item as well. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks - I'm not sure precisely what you mean, but if you're able to restore the page I'm happy to try to fix it. Please?
Restored. Please add the required stuff or a other sysop will find your item and will do the same. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

questions about a claim deletion

What's wrong with this claim ? Does it just lack an end date ? author  TomT0m / talk page 11:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

head of government (P6) only accepts humans as value. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 11:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh, OK I guess the right property is office held by head of government (P1313)   ? author  TomT0m / talk page 11:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Could be, don't know how the situation in Italy is. :) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 11:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


Hallo Sjoerddebruin, als ik bij Q13507991 op de link voor het plaatje (image) klik, dan wordt de filename afgekapt bij het vraagteken dat in de filenaam staat; bij Commens wordt aangenomen dat het gaat om het bestand 'File:Cydosia nobilitella' wat niet bestaat. Op zich is daar wel wat voor te zeggen omdat als er via de URL allerlei parameters worden doorgegeven die parameters meteen na het vraagteken beginnen. Eigenlijk zou die filenaam dus met een UrlEncrypt functie of zo aangepast en daarna pas doorgegeven mogen worden. Weet jij bij wie dat gemeld kan worden (of kun je dit zelf oppakken)? - Robotje (talk) 12:47, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Hallo Robotje, ik heb in Safari geen problemen hiermee. Welke browser gebruik je? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 12:51, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Mijn Google Chrome 48.0.2564.116 m onder Windows 10 Pro heeft geen probleem. Met MS Edge op dezelfde PC werkt het niet. Firefox voor Android doet het net als Chrome gewoon goed. Mbch331 (talk) 16:43, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Nu heb ik wel opeens het probleem. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 16:44, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Ik heb het de ene keer wel en de andere keer weer niet nu. Mbch331 (talk) 17:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Klinkt als phab:T128078. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Toen ik er tegen aanliep zat ik op een Windows 7 PC met Firefox. Nu gebruik ik m'n telefoon met Android waarbij ik pagina's bekijk in desktop mode en dat gaat nu goed. Als het bij jullie soms wel en soms niet goed gaat zal dat wel komen omdat je met verschillende servers te maken hebt die nog niet dezelfde javascript files opsturen of zo. Bedankt voor de reacties en als het (soms) blijft optreden kom ik er nog wel op terug. - Robotje (talk) 05:27, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Vanaf zelfde PC met zelfde browser gaat het nu goed. Jullie beide bedankt en dit 'ticket' kan gesloten worden. - Robotje (talk) 11:02, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Petro Doroshenko

[1]. This is a portrait of Peter ([2]), not Michael ([3])-- 13:57, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

File a renaming request on Commons, please. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Title single value constraint

Hey, you deleted the single value constraint from title. Sure, there is a lot of violations, but the solution would be to sort them out (by deleting false values and with qualifiers like transliteration (P2440) and the sort), and not to delete the constraint. The talk page makes it clear that the property is for one title per item only (titles for translations and editions should go to items of translations and editions). – Máté (talk) 11:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I was confused by the labels of the property. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Melding over vertaling: Wikidata:Data donation

Hallo Sjoerddebruin,

U ontvangt dit bericht omdat u zich heeft opgegeven als vertaler voor het Nederlands op Wikidata. De pagina Wikidata:Data donation is beschikbaar voor vertaling. U kunt deze hier vertalen:

De prioriteit voor deze pagina is gemiddeld.

Uw hulp wordt enorm op prijs gesteld. Met vertalers zoals u is Wikidata een echte meertalige gemeenschap.

U kunt ook uw notificatievoorkeuren instellen.


Vertalingenbeheerders van Wikidata‎, 16:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Wikidata user study

Dear Sjoerd de Bruin,
I am a researcher of the Web and Internet Science group of the University of Southampton.
Together with a group of other researchers from the same University, we are currently conducting a research aiming to discover how newcomers become full participants into the Wikidata community. We are interested in understanding how the usage of tools, the relationships with the community, and the knowledge and application of policy norms change from users' first approach to Wikidata to their full integration as fully active participants.
This study will take place as an interview, either by videotelephony, e.g. Skype, phone, or e-mail, according to the preference of the interviewees. The time required to answer all the questions will likely be about an hour. Further information can be found on the Research Project Page Becoming Wikidatians: evolution of participation in a collaborative structured knowledge base.
Any data collected will be treated in the strictest confidentiality, no personal information will be processed for the purpose of the research. The study, which has submission number 20117, has received ethical approval following the University of Southampton guidelines.
We aim at gathering about 20 participants, chosen among experienced Wikidata users who authored a large number of contributions.
Should you be interested in taking part or wish to receive further information, you can contact us by writing to the e-mail address
Thank you very much, your help will be much appreciated!
--Alessandro Piscopo (talk) 22:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


Hi! I look forward to see you at Wikidata meetup! :) --Lingveno (talk) 15:52, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


Thank you for the reverts like this. You are correct. I know the correct Property is P106, I put the P31 by mistake. --FocalPoint (talk) 07:23, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Jean-Claude Juncker (Q57661)

Hi Sjoerd,

sorry for my demonstration. Thank you for your reaction, I wanted exactly this.--Kopiersperre (talk) 08:47, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Snack/Snack food

Hi! I see that you reverted my merge between snack (Q17504654) and snack (Q749316) because "Merging items by deleting information beforehand is not-done". My merge was a conscious decision: I find that the two items represent the same concept, and do not make distinctions, say, a meal vs. the food eaten during that meal. The items I removed are sitelinks that I removed, not just to make way for the merge, but believed that they did not belong there. nl:Hapje is a type of food/dish eaten as snack, and th:อาหารว่าง vs. th:ขนมขบเคี้ยว are synonyms and candidates for merging. I believe that the change was not controversial, hence I didn't make a merge proposal. If I missed something or if there is a correct procedure for performing such a merge, please let me know. --Wap (talk) 10:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Deleting sitelinks causes unconnected articles. If you are going to fix something, please do it properly. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Skrzydło ptaka

Whyd did you reverted my edition? Flight is not the same as wing, some of connected articles are about completely different things, mine is strictly about anatomy of the wing, not about flight. They are two different things. Soldier of Wasteland (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Because you removed a lot of sitelinks without adding them all to the good places, leaving articles unconnected. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 22:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Deletion request

Hi there,

Can I ask you to delete this item (Q25338322)? It was created by mistake. Thanks, Mona778 (talk) 08:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

  Done. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 08:27, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


Paused a process and leaving another (and the third is completed).--GZWDer (talk) 07:55, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. You can respond on your talk page the next time though, since I have it on my watchlist. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:57, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Note: PetScan itself is run in five threads if you're using a bot account.--GZWDer (talk) 08:32, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


The user keeps adding nonsense. (Recent examples include continuously trying to add a link to a deleted page on the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia despite my warnings, and adding nonsensical titles.) I'm pretty confident he's just vandalizing stuff at this point. (He was just blocked on the Serbian Wikipedia for duplicating pages; he's also blocked on the Bosnian, Croatian and Serbo-Croatian Wikipedias for vandalism and/or personal attacks.) – Srdjan m (talk) 10:14, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sjoerddebruin, 1877 was my mistake. In en:Peter Paul Rubens, de:Peter Paul Rubens etc. is as date of his birth declared 28 June/28. Juni.--Horst (talk) 08:22, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for your message. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Temple name

Hi, sorry, could you please elaborate what you meant by reverting my edit? Temple name is a type of a name given to a monarch in Korea, Vietnam, and China. It is not a name of a temple. Le Loy (talk) 22:49, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood the property. Never saw it before (used three times). You may revert me, can you add the required qualifier writing system (P282) though? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 22:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Sure, no worries. Le Loy (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


Zie je mail. :) Trijnstel (talk) 08:54, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

MacGyver the Lizard

Hello, I am curious why you removed some of the information from MacGvver the Lizard, such as instanceof Tupinambis rufescens which was well sourced. Thanks. Lizzymartin (talk) 23:34, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Most of the statements didn't make sense and were hitting our constraints. After looking at Knut (Q159697), it would make sense to place Tupinambis rufescens (Q1429898) back. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 06:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Property P279

See the discussion here, concerning the perpetual confusion between instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279).

In order to reduce this confusion, we need much clearer descriptions of these properties. The description that you restored: "dit item is een klasse van dat item", is not helpful and possibly even misleading. It is a fact that it did not tell me what the real meaning of this property is; so much became clear in abovementioned discussion. The text proposed by me: "deze klasse is een deelverzameling van die (grotere) klasse" may not be ideal, but is at least a whole lot better.

Vinkje83 (talk) 15:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Of course a better description is welcome, I was more talking about the unneeded change of the label. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Dirk (de) Meijer

Hier kon je wel eens gelijk in hebben, maar de VIAF 283571890 wordt wel zowel op het item als op de website van UGent genoemd... Lymantria (talk) 15:47, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

De VIAF lijkt ook over de architect te gaan in plaats van de informaticus, ik heb die dan ook verwijderd. Ik zal vanavond een item aanmaken voor de architect. :) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:49, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
De VIAF is toegevoegd op basis van matches van VIAF zelf. Daarvan bleek al dat deze nooit waterdicht zijn, maar dat kwam later pas naar voren... Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
OK bedankt. Lymantria (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Dirk De Meyer (Q26964266). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:42, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Petscan defeats me; add WS works is tedious

Hi. How do I use Petscan to generate a list of whatlinkshere for item such as Eight Harvard Poets (Q19093101)? It is a slow and tedious process to 1) manually create all the subparts of the work, then 2) add them as parts of the parent. I clearly need to know/learn how to do these differently. Creating an edition at WD is a tedious task of manually entering much information that already exists elsewhere in the system, then when there are subparts to a work that are individually significant, creating and populating the subparts, linking, then adding a badge. For subparts often numbers of factors are the same, but there will be subtle variations in one factor, eg. page numbers, that require manual entry. Can you offer guidance to help the obviously confused? Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:22, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if that's possible with PetScan. Try Wikidata:Request a query. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 11:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


As you know something French, is there any benefit from this page?Thank you --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 07:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

It seems like the user is asking if we should keep the French alias "Macaque japonnais", despite being misspelled. Will ask my French friends to comment. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:41, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


Beste Sjoerd,

OP Cold Brayfield is een doublure van de uitgebreidere Q1780116. Kun je Q24664993 verwijderen alsjeblieft?
Is er een standaardmanier om lemmata te laten verwijderen? Met een sjabloon en/of een daartoe ingerichte vrrzoekpagina?

Collegiale groeten uit A'damZO van  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  06:13, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Ik heb de items samengevoegd met de merge-gadget. Deze kun je activeren in je voorkeuren. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:58, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Dank je. Ik nu ook. Dat kan het gewone volk dus ook? Mooi. nadeel is dat er zo wat nutteloze pagina's blijven bestaan en dat worden er vast nog veel meer. Zou te voorkomen zijn als iedereen Wikidata op de juiste manier zou gebruiken, want het is onder andere bedoeld om dit soort doublures te voorkomen, toch?  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  14:39, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Door te doorverwijzen in plaats van te verwijderen van items bieden we mensen die gebruik maken van Wikidata een vorm van stabiliteit. Iedereen maakt fouten, ze komen alleen op Wikidata makkelijker naar voren. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 14:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Item restoration

Next time when you "destroy" some Item don't forget to recreate it. I understand very well that it is not ok the item to be reused, but after your action all information for Selma Todorova was lost, and after my action - nothing was lost! Regards. --Termininja (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

How dare you!

How dare you delete all of the pages! You are not supposed to do it. And because of this, you will be punished for eternity! Now i will block you from deleting pages!

Are you talking about the sourceless privacy violations of, for example, three year old actors? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:59, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata - VIAF

Hi Sjoerd, I have noticed that you re-removed VIAF for Q26908223. While I do agree with the items sparsity, still, since those VIAFs indicate different name styles based on the book records in German Library and provided that they can be edited, I think it is for the best to keep them. In addition, what do you think about the status of the removed quotes? Arashtitan (talk) 08:57, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

It just feels weird to me to include them. About the quotes: quotation (P1683) should only be used in the source section. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 08:58, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Given that, shall we restore them, or you object this? Arashtitan (talk) 09:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Quick statements

Do you know why

Q2706338 Lda Cyperns førstedivision i fodbold 1934–35

is not working in

Xaris333 (talk) 21:43, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Ah, so you're not the only one. The tool doesn't seem working at the moment.... Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:44, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks... Xaris333 (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
I've send a message to the developer. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Universal Monsters

Hi. I notice you reverted my edition. Might be because of lack of domain of Spanish. The article that should link correctly is "Monstruos clásicos" which is the one that in Spanish deals with the same subject as the other. Menawhile "Universo Cinemático de los Monstruos Clásicos" deal only with some of the movies of the franchise but not with the monsters themselves. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 21:45, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

You seem to make quite a mess with everything. Can you please be more clear why you moved ALL sitelinks to a item without statements? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, just getting the grasp on this. I thought it was easier. Lets see:
Spanish article Monstruos clásicos is about the Universal Monsters, as such it should link to the articles about Universal Monsters of all languages. OK?
Universo Cinemático de los Monstruos Clásicos is about the Cinematic Universe of the Universal Monsters, originally linked to "Universal Monsters (2017 film series)" in english but I change that because it doesn't really deal with the 2017 revival.
I tried to do a fusion of Universo Cinemático de los Monstruos Clásicos and Monstruos clásicos but it didnt go through so I put the interlinks on Monstruos clásicos instead. Then it came your reversion.
And yes, I am sorry for all the inconveniences, I really thought it was easier. I normally just add the article in english to the article in spanish and all other languages are added automatically. Once this issue is resolve I won't edit on Wikidata any more. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 06:07, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand the need of keeping a wrong *unsourced* info...

especially when the reason for deprecation (P2241) is wrong : it is wrong "date of death", not "date of birth" :/

I very well understand the need for deprecating (instead of removing) wrong claims with sources, but not for deprecating unsourced wrong claims (typo, error, etc.)

thanks for more explanations, please.

--Hsarrazin (talk) 12:01, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for noticing the qualifier error. I'm trying to get in contact with the RKD to fix the error at their side. Until then, I would like to keep this value. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 12:05, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Use of medical condition

Hi, you say that I should not use "Medical condition" (P1050) to indicate from which disease a donor of a cell line was suffering from. So what can I use instead? Best  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amb sib (talk • contribs) at 12:16, 31 October 2016 (UTC).

I don't know much about the subject, so I'm not sure. Maybe ask at the Wikidata:Project chat? Also: please respond on your own talk page next time, this keeps discussions central. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
And the same applies for the use of sex or gender (P21). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Revert of Q1899902

Hi, yes, the dog is the "mayor" of Cormorant, see this news article (btw I added Q3320743 as a qualifier) and the enwiki infobox,_Becker_County,_Minnesota

Could you please restore and if needed improve my edit?

Thanks --Sabas88 (talk) 09:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The problem is that head of government (P6) only accepts humans as value. Not sure if we should use it for ceremonial mayorships. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Did you have a question about my request

Greetings, I saw your comment on my request earlier but wanted to stop by and ask if you had a specific question. You inferred to one (or some) but I wasn't sure. Reguyla (talk) 23:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Re references

I use many obscure references and some primary sources for Wikisource authors. Many sources will not have entries here, and I am not going to create items for them, wayyyyy too time consuming. I document author references on the author talk page at enWS.

I have talked about my issues with referencing here and the complexity with it from census records eg. United Kingdom censuses of 1841 (Q7887918), parish registers, plethora of books, etc. I am thankful for some of the progress by enable copying of references, however, a copy and paste of data with a copy and paste of the reference to enWS is so much easier and quicker than the multi components of reference addition here. For example adding a probate from the Eng and Wal Calendars of the Grants of Probate and Letters of Administration (Q5019515) means the title, vol, publication year, page, and url; and I will usually do it, but when I have multiple refs, and multiple people to do, it just so slows the process. Happy to talk further, though this is maybe the fourth or fifth time I have had this conversation and the previous responses amounted to "suck it in princess". If references are that important we need a more convenient means to do this.

While talking about needs, I would think that it would be more important to have the primary data for enWS editions, and that data is readily available in our Index and linked pages, or in the file detail at Commons, and that addition of detail is all manual. Being manual means that it is predominantly not done unless it is the pedants like me as I complete works. Seems like something where we need something to scrape that detail into a form that could be edited and submitted to WD, either push from the enWS side, or suck from this side.

Happy to talk more about these, as long as there is a meaningful point. I have had too many discussions about the WS needs and the difficulties that have simply gone nowhere. Presumably not sexy enough. <shrug>  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:23, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Fetch data from Wikidata to Wikipedia

Hello. I am using a Greek template. el:Πρότυπο:Κουτί πληροφοριών ποδοσφαιρικού συλλόγου (Template:Infobox football club). The first problem is about the stadium. I am using home venue (P115) from club's wikidata page. Its ok. But I also want located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) and maximum capacity (P1083) from stadium's Wikidata page, not for club's Wikidata page. Xaris333 (talk) 19:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Can you please post this where the discussion started? AFAIK this is not a personal matter. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I am really sorry. Xaris333 (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


Hi, the Q200266 it:Associazione Nazionale Costruttori Edili (ANCE) is the same as Q4810186 and Q16529353 (Associazione nazionale costruttori edili), but have the wrong signification of it:Handle or it:Maniglia in italian. How can we resolve this? --Carlo Dani (talk) 10:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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