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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:18, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

VanitasEdit

Hello Valentina

Please comment your edits for Vanitas. The link to the main article in the german wp was missed since 2009 (see discussion there). Vanitas and Vanitas still life are not the same. The much shorter articles in the other languages prefer the meaning "vanitas still life", but they mention the other arts like music (en) oder literature (norsk bokmal). – It is much more a topic than a genre. This is right.

Thank you for your understanding and best regards --Summ (talk) 20:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

As I see for example in the English or the Spanish articles, the "genre" category ist just one. It is included, because there is no special article for "vanitas still life". --Summ (talk) 21:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, better like this. But, I don't really see the reason for two different labels. At my point of view there is vanitas as general concept or as a type of allegories. There could be two possible "genres" in this context: "vanitas still life" for a genre of the visual arts in the 17th century, and "Ubi sunt" for a literary genre of the middle ages. Both should be an addition to a more general article "vanitas". --Summ (talk) 14:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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Doppelte ItemsEdit

Hello Valentina, du kannst dir einiges an Arbeit ersparen, wenn du vor der Erstellung eines neuen Datenblatts kurz einen IMDb-Check durchführst ->

SELECT ?item WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P345 "tt0110912"
}

Try it!

Setz zwischen die Anführungszeichen die IMDb-ID und klick auf "RUN". Dieser Tool habe ich auf der Benutzerseite von Queryzo gefunden. Grüße -- MovieFex (talk) 08:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

IMDb entfernen - auch Artikel anpassenEdit

Hello Valentina, du hast aus einigen Items die IMDb entfernt, aber den dazugehörigen Artikel nicht angepasst. Das sollte so nicht gemacht werden. Wenn du die dazugehörigen Artikel in den jeweiligen Wikis nicht korrigierst, lass die IMDb's hier bei Wikidata drin und lösch sie nicht raus. Die werden meist bei irgendwelchen Wartungslisten aufgeführt, z.B. bei Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P345 und kann dann alles (inklusiv zugehörigen Artikel) irgendwann gefixt werden. So lange die falschen IMDb-IDs in den Wiki-Artikeln bestehen bleiben, tauchen die hier wieder auf, irgend ein Bot (z.B. EdgarsBot) liest das wieder aus. -- MovieFex (talk) 21:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Nachtrag: Gerade hab ich gesehen, dass du bei Kim Jeong-min eine IMDb herabgestuft hast. Das sollte nicht gemacht werden -> Help:Ranking/de. Wenn beide IMDbs enthalten sind ist das Absicht, denn dann sind sie in der oben angegebenen Wartungsliste. Irgendwann führt das jemand in der Moviebase zusammen, nur welche ID am Ende übrigbleibt ist nicht klar, vergleiche hierzu z.B. -> Hasan Seyidbeyli. Wenn die Einträge dann zusammengeführt wurden, kann der nicht mehr benötigte Eintrag gelöscht werden. Dazu muss aber auch eine Korrektur des Wikipedia-Artikels vorgenommen werden -> Änderung bei azwiki, die Fundstelle im Datenblatt sollte demnacht auch neu angegegeben werden -> neue Fundstelle. -- MovieFex (talk) 07:43, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Ja, das verstehe ich. Allerdings war ich mir in diesem Fall ziemlich sicher, dass die zweite imdb (nm1740242) falsch ist - sie bezieht sich auf Kim Jeong-min (Q12588550), nicht auf Kim Jeong-min (Q15125241). Deshalb der herabgestufte Rang. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Nachtrag: Nachdem ich mir die Seite (nm1740242) heute erneut angeschaut habe, habe ich nun aber auch den Eindruck, dass in der imdb die beiden Personen (Kim Jeong-min (Q12588550) und Kim Jeong-min (Q15125241)) miteinander vermischt wurden. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Hier gabs einen Bearbeitungskonflikt, ich bin deiner Meinung, da wurde was vermischt. Hier der Stand meiner Recherche vor deiner Antwort:
(...) Tja, da sieht man wieder, die IMDb ist nicht perfekt, aber vielleicht stimmt die IMDb und der Eintrag in der koreanischen Wiki ist falsch -> Kim Jeong-min (* 1968). Hierzu vergleiche die Filmografie, z.B. Eintrage bei 2006 -> Project Makeover, über die englische Seite bekommst du den Link zur koreanischen Filmdatenbank KMDb, hier unter Cast Kim Jeong-min, und das deckt sich mit dem zweiten IMDb-Eintrag. Wo jetzt der Fehler drin steckt weiß ich auch nicht, möglicherweise wurden da ein paar Sachen vermischt. Für den Regisseur gäbe es in der KMDB auch was. Über kreuz und quer Dark Forrest KMDB und Dark Forrest IMDb kommt man zu dem Eintrag, wie du es angegeben hast. Ich lösch die zweite IMDb-ID bei dem 1968er wieder raus, da soll sich ein koreanischsprechender Agent drum kümmern. -- MovieFex (talk) 08:49, 23 February 2017 (UTC) PS: Ich seh gerade, du hast nochwas gefunden. Also machs so, wie du es für richtig hälst. --MovieFex (talk) 08:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Ja, wobei ich mich hier an der englischsprachigen Wikipedia orientiert habe - wie zuverlässig das ist, weiß ich auch nicht. Du hast wohl recht - da sollte sich jemand darum kümmern, der sich mit koreanischen Filmen auskennt. -- Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Zuverlässig?! ;) --MovieFex (talk) 09:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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Item to be deleteEdit

In RFD there are one or more item proposed for the deletion created by you. If you do not agree you can participate in the debate --ValterVB (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Rat-ManEdit

Hi, why did you split Rat-Man in Q28859773 and Q15325? The pages deal about both the character and the series because they are topics tightly connected. --Superchilum(talk to me!) 16:13, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the topics are tightly connected, but there's a difference between a fictional character appearing in a comic and a comic. E.g. Fictional characters have a gender, comics don't. (It's weird to say that a comic is male). When I assigned the pages to the wikidata items I thought about what the page is mainly about. And there it seemed to me the Italian page is mainly about the character, the English one mainly about the comic. --Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 21:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
I know what the differences are :-) but I can assure you that all the pages deal about the same topic. --Superchilum(talk to me!) 07:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
The en-Article is certainly about the comic series Rat-Man (Q15325) (of course it also deals with its title character, but it's just one segment in this article besides other characters). The la-Article deals with the character Rat-Man (Q28859773). I related the it-Article to the character regarding the first paragraph and the infobox, but if you think it's rather about the comic series, best move sitelinks. If you just want to connect the en-Article with the it-Article, there is a possibility to do that manually on the Wikipedia-page, if I remember right.
I think it's a rather bad idea to mix up different entity types (e.g. characters and comics) in one item as this leads either to logical inconsistencies or a lack of expressiveness; you would either end up with comics having a gender, an interpreter etc., with characters consisting of comics or with items without informations. Above that you can't really use this items to make statements in other items (e.g indicating the roles in performance works or the comic series a comic belongs to). --Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Fictional ghosts/gods/vampires/...Edit

Valentina, I am very skeptic about these your creations. Making them you indirectly state that there are real ghosts/gods/vampire and so on... But even descriptions in most of these (old) classes mention "fictional" or "mythic/legendary", so they were already fictional, there no need to create fictional "fictional" classes! So I suppose you should revert things like: vampires, ghosts and other supernatural being in a work of fiction (Q30061294). And merge new classes with old (the same) classes. What are supernatural being (Q28855038) which are not supernatural being in a work of fiction (Q30061294)?.. --Infovarius (talk) 11:30, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I see how this can be misunderstood. But merging deity in fictional work (Q17624054) and deity (Q178885) would unnecessarily force a specific world view on the categorization of entitites that is not uncontroversial (You would either have to say that God in Christianity (Q825), YHWH (Q105173) and Allah (Q234801) don't exist - opposed by many people - or that some characters from fictional works are really assumed to exist - opposed by probably all people). I don't see any problem with categorizing some gods as Q24199478 and just refraining from declaring them as existent or not existent.
The reason I created those other classes is that there is the same difference between Brown Lady of Raynham Hall (Q991048) and Casper the Friendly Ghost (Q1442531), between ghoul (Q208446) and lich (Q1165928) as between YHWH (Q105173) and Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363). The former are/were believed in, or at least part of a specific worldview and sometimes even object of investigation (e.g. of Occult "Science"), the latter not.
I think many people make a difference between supernatural being in a work of fiction (Q30061294) and supernatural being (Q28855038) on an instance level - the best examples are instances of deity (Q178885) and instances of deity in fictional work (Q17624054), again (see above). Regarding a discrimination between folklore and fiction you have the two different lists list of fictional vampires (Q6619795) and list of vampires in folklore and mythology (Q6644558). My last example regarding the folklore-fiction-distinction is the discrimination between legendary figure (Q13002315) (subclass of Q24199478) and fictional character (Q95074) (subclass of fictional entity (Q14897293)).
What do you think about relabeling those items "[dubious entity] in a work of fiction" to avoid the connotation that there are real ghosts/gods/vampires? Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, such relabeling is highly welcomed. But I am not sure that the boundary between your 2 lines is always clear. You say that creatures from fiction are not believed in. But! God in Christianity (Q825) was once a character from some popular and only then it became popular and became believed in (and not by everybody). Similar processes happen now in mass culture. I am sure that Cthulhu (Q12038) (obviously a character) is now believed in by many people. And I can imagine that some people (e.g. Tolkien fandom (Q1963025)) believe in Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363) and its descendants. Where lies the boundary between traditional Q24199478 and fictional character (Q95074)? May be it's only a matter of time? --Infovarius (talk) 14:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
You're right, some entities sit on the borderline between Q24199478 and fictional character (Q95074). A good example is Rudolph Fentz (Q673181), a fictional character from a short story that became later an urban legend. I don't mind to classify those cases as both legendary figure (Q13002315) and fictional character (Q95074).
But I don't think that the borders are that fragile as you suggest: If a character has a creator (as e.g. Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363)) and comes from a novel without any claim of truth this is definitely a fictional character that is not assumed to exist. I really doubt that a cultural/religious group believes in Eru Ilúvatar (Q208363) as a god of our world but if that would be the case (and you would want to express this in wikidata properly) I would suggest an additional item because mixing up an item about a character created by somebody with an item about a god being the creator of everything is really weird. Of course you can think of people believing in fictional worlds as real parallel universes ... but this would not affect a categorization in real entities (of our world), assumed entities (of our world) and fictional entities (if you want so: real in other worlds).
As far as I know nobody claims to be the creator of God in Christianity (Q825) as a fictional character and moreover the book this character originates in (if it should originate in this book and the book is not an expression of far older tales and traditions) has a claim of truth. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Ok. But the concept "Claims of truth" can be fragile. Are you sure that all authors directly claims that all characters are fictional? Of course, there are a number of such claims, but not all. I must check but I doubt that Cthulhu (Q12038) was directly named as fictional ("claim"). --Infovarius (talk) 11:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Q27067781Edit

Hi,

Thank you for your edits on Geppetto (Q27067781) but it seems that mixed up a little bit Geppetto and Pinocchio. I removed a self-reference link (which was obviously wrong) but can you check the other statements?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 11:36, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, you're right. All statements should be correct, now. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:53, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Historias, HistoriografíaEdit

Historias. Please. Can you arrange for the link to appear in the article? Thank you. --Xabier (talk) 18:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't know how to do this, either. I passed the question to Project chat -Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
@Xabier:
based on Handling sitelinks overlapping multiple items we could solve this problem for now by creating a new page in the Spanish Wikipedia, linking this to historiography (Q30277550) and setting a redirect to Historiografía on this new page.
Here the steps one by one:
  1. Create a new page in the Spanish Wikipedia (I will call it "Historiografía (género)" - but use the title you think is appropriate)
  2. link "Historiografía (género)" to historiography (Q30277550)
  3. On "Historiografía (género)" set a redirect to Historiografía
Do you see any problems with this approach? I would give this a try. Would you do this (you are more involved with the Spanish Wikipedia than I am)? If you have any more questions, just ask. Thank you, Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Self-referencingEdit

Hi,

Me again checking to clean the self-referencing, could you take a look at this claim:

Thanks in advance.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Q28889497Edit

Hello Valintina. MY name is Darlie Brewster. It seems you are creating a page on me and I would like you to remove it. Thanks. 104.34.202.79 10:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I answered at Talk:Q28889497 - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:33, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
No actually you didn't. I am that person and what you have posted has nothing to do The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Exactly how does my being transgender and using dead names figure in? This is harassment. 104.34.202.79 17:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry. Obviously I've been insensitive in this matter. I surely didn't want to harass you and I'm embarrassed that I did so unintentionally.
As to your question what this has to do with The Hunchback of Notre Dame I will answer in two parts:
1) Why is there an item about Darlie Brewster (independent from the information on it): To name a person as a contributor to a work (in this case The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Q213787) and Esmeralda (Q27702142)) this person needs an own item. If the item about Darlie Brewster is removed, she/you can't be named as a contributor. The removal of a relevant contributor (and I think that a character animator on one of the main characters is a relevant contributor) would lead to incomplete, flawed information. Thatswhy there is a need for an item about Darlie Brewster.
2) Why is the gender and birth name relevant?: For her/your contribution to The Hunchback of Notre Dame obviously not. I added these informations without consideration because names and gender are considered core information about a person in Wikidata. In the credits for the Hunchback of Notre Dame you have been named by your birth name, so I added this in addition to your actual name. Your actual name has a preferred rank meaning that your birth name is not valid any more. I'm not keen on keeping your birth name and will remove it, as this really seems to be hurtful to you. I added "transgender female" as your gender as this is what I found in the referenced interview [1]. It didn't occur to me that it could be an insult, at least not more than saying that another person is male or female. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I understand what you are thinking but credits are irrelevant in this. The link to IMDB is under my name, not my old name. That is all anyone needs to know as there is no accounting office to report to. Bad enough IMDB is simply a bunch of fan boys with standards even they don't understand and have been thorn in this communities side forever. No one wants to be known as "TRANSGENDER" . It is not on my license , my passport or any of my essential documents. Why would anyone think that was desirable in ANY way? If this was you I'm sure you would understand. I am in a country where discrimination, violence and hatred is rampant. Where Neo Nazis and white supremacists march proudly for our hate filled president. A president who just called for the firing of 15,000 transgender military service people. Where transgender people are 60% unemployed. Where they suffer 16X the violence rate and turn up dead on peoples lawns. 104.34.202.79 15:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for putting this in perspective. From now on I will be definitely more considerate in similar situations. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Q12379Edit

Hi, Valentina. subject has role (P2868) is intended to be used as a qualifier. --Infovarius (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Infovarius: It can be used as a qualifier, but I don't know what you mean with "is intended to be used as a qualifier" - the proposal says nothing about it ([2]). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
May be to delete P31=Wikidata qualifier (Q15720608) from this property then? --Infovarius (talk) 19:12, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't know. The English description of Wikidata qualifier (Q15720608) says "property that can be used as a part of a claim that says something about the specific claim". This seems fitting to me. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:29, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

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TrioEdit

I don't know why you reverted Trio. It's - to my knowledge - more often a piece than a group, - look at all the Minuet and Trio in Classical music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Gerda Arendt I reverted because there is aleady an own item for the trio as a piece: trio (Q29596700) (composition for three musicians). trio (Q281643) should be only used for ensembles. So Il Volo (Q177732) would be a trio (Q281643) and Trio for Flute, Viola and Cello (Q3539351) a trio (Q29596700). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I wish that the English article would not confuse the two, - that should link to both wikidata items then but how? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, yes, quite a lot of Wikipedias cover both concepts in a single article. There is no possibility to link from one article to two items directly, but you could link from a wikidata item to a redirect, if you think this would be useful (see Help:Handling_sitelinks_overlapping_multiple_items#Interwikis). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, but I have too many things already that I WANT to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

musical composition (Q207628) vs musical work (Q2188189)Edit

Hello, Valentina. Explain me please how do you understand the difference between them? --Infovarius (talk) 13:35, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Infovarius:

I agree with your revert in melody (a melody can be improvised) but I don't agree with incidental music (Q1147752). Are there examples of incidental music (Q1147752) that are not musical compositions? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't know for sure. I just suppose that for theatre one can use not only composed music but any set of sounds, even natural. --Infovarius (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
I see. I just wonder if pure background sounds (like sound effect (Q768807)) are called "incidental music" (or even a musical work). But I think it does not hurt to leave this statement as it is (the item, on the other hand, should probably be split up - "incidental music" seems to be a lot more inclusive than "Schauspielmusik" or "musique de scène") - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Anna Karenina (Q4066531)Edit

Hi, since literary character (Q3658341) is a subclass of fictional human (Q15632617), it's pointless to state that Anna Karenina is both. The former implies the latter. P.a.a (talk) 10:18, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello P.a.a, as far as I see literary character (Q3658341) is a subclass of fictional character (Q95074), not of fictional human (Q15632617). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
You're right, somehow I lost track between my browser tabs P.a.a (talk) 10:29, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Iron MaidenEdit

Please, do not add the musicians to the Iron Maiden's albums data. The albums were recorded by Iron Maiden, not by Iron Maiden featuring Bruce Dickinson, Steve Harris, etc. Progenie (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Progenie, this line-up information is quite relevant and should be recorded somehow at Wikidata. I'm not sure about your problem with performer (P175) (is it some infobox-issue?), but what do you think about using contributor(s) to the creative work or subject (P767) instead? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I'm going to move the information to contributor(s) to the creative work or subject (P767). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Q27965845Edit

I'm not sure why you added all those links to Zdravljica (Q27965845). That item was for a different Slovene hymn. Look at the lyrics on the Wikisource link. It's not the same hymn. Please reverse your changes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

The item Zdravljica (Q169215) is a poem by Prešeren which became the Slovene national anthem. The poem and anthem are the same work. But Zdravljica (Q27965845) is a different hymn with different lyrics. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:06, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

EncycloPetey, the anthem is not the same as the poem - the anthem only uses the seventh strophe of the poem. That is the difference between the wikisource-texts at Zdravljica (Q169215)[3] and Zdravljica (Q27965845)[4] - the second shows the seventh strophe of the first. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
That is not what the article at the Slovene Wikipedia says. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I found the following information at the English article about the anthem (en:Anthem_of_the_Slovene_nation): "The question whether the entire Zdravljica or only its seventh stanza constitutes the Slovenian national anthem, remains unresolved. Whereas the Constitution of Slovenia determines the title of the poem, the Act about the anthem specifically determines its seventh stanza. It has been argued that the act contradicts the constitution and that the question should be resolved by the Slovenian Constitutional Court.[1][2] In practice, mostly only the seventh stanza is sung and reproduced as the national anthem." - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
pinging EncycloPetey - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
In any case, the odd item out is the one on the Lithuanian Wikisource. All the WP articles discuss both the poem and the anthem that derives from it. If you think a split is desirable, then there would need to be three WD items. (1) for items about just the poem, (2) for items about just the anthem, and (3) for items about both the poem and the anthem. However, the WP articles all seem to fall into group (3), so I don't think a split is necessary. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
the English WP has an own item about the anthem (Q15932006. I moved the sitelinks there. I don't know what to do with the Lithuanian wikisource, but let's leave it as it is. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:35, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

PokemonEdit

Regarding Meowth (Q877650)... It is quite a discovery for me! I am quite unaware of this universe but is it really not a single character? --Infovarius (talk) 14:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Infovarius, there is also a single character called "Meowth" being of the species of Meowth but most info on the item Meowth (Q877650) (and most articles) are about the species. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

about villains and heros…Edit

You remain the hero of your own story even when you become the villain of someone else's. 😉 -Shisma (talk) 16:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Shisma: and including all antagonists on the side of the villain and viewpoint characters on the side of the protagonist/hero there are 11 characters with antagonistic and protagonistic appearances in wikidata, at the moment. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
even though I'm not sure about those "protagonists" of multi-player-games like Super Smash Brother, etc. It would be better to express this using player character (Q1062345), probably. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Replacing object has role (P3831) with narrative role (P5800).Edit

since you have been engaged in the proposal discussion. Do you think we should just replace all of these object has role (P3831)-statements with narrative role (P5800)? --Shisma (talk) 16:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

SELECT DISTINCT ?narrativeLabel ?charactersLabel ?roleLabel WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?narrative wdt:P674 ?characters.
  ?narrative p:P674 ?characterStatement.
  ?characterStatement pq:P3831 ?role.
}

Try it!

Yes, I think we should, Shisma. I found a small mistake in your SPARQL-query (with your query you get for every work every possible combination of every character mentioned via P674 with every character role mentioned via P3831). With the following query you get only those combinations actually mentioned at P674. (This reduces the size of the result set from 3998 results to 822 results (for 123 works)).
SELECT DISTINCT ?narrativeLabel ?charactersLabel ?roleLabel WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?narrative p:P674 ?characterStatement.
  ?characterStatement ps:P674 ?characters; pq:P3831 ?role.
}
ORDER BY ?narrativeLabel ?charactersLabel
Try it!
I also think we should replace all subject has role (P2868)-statements (at characters) used to indicate the narrative role/character type with narrative role (P5800).
SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel ?role ?roleLabel
WHERE 
{
  ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q14897293; p:P2868 ?st.
  ?st ps:P2868 ?role.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
ORDER BY ?item
Try it!
I would take care of the qualifiers today and of the direct claims (via subject has role (P2868)) later . - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

The first Query only yielded 8 results for me. It would seem like you are already done ^^--Shisma (talk) 16:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Yair rand, I included them because they were also mentioned at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Narrative_role (third example), but I see that this is debatable. narrative role (P5800) is intended to be of quite wide scope (including also character types like damsel in distress) and it seemed to me that player character (Q1062345) is comparable to viewpoint character (Q15841935). But I see that player character (Q1062345) can also be seen just under the aspect of game mechanics. Should I move those statements refering to player character (Q1062345) back to object has role (P3831)? (pinging also Shisma) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk)
Bringing this to Wikidata talk:WikiProject Video games, hope that's okay. --Yair rand (talk) 19:16, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

What isn't vandalism?Edit

50.254.21.213 12:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the link, but what do you want to say? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Ilya (Q1096462) und Ilya (Q31440338)Edit

Hallo! Würden Sie bitte diese Bearbeitung kommentieren? Die beiden Elemente sind an sich zu mergen. Ich habe da derweilen Wikimedia duplicated page (Q17362920) gesetzt, weil das Mergen mit Special:MergeItems dort rein technisch schwierig ist. --eugrus (talk) 18:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hallo eugrus, ich habe Wikimedia duplicated page (Q17362920) entfernt, weil die beiden Objekte nach den Regeln von Wikidata:WikiProject_Names keine Duplikate sind. Ilya (Q31440338) repräsentiert die kyrillische Version "Илья", Ilya (Q1096462) die lateinische Version "Ilya" (beim letzeren Objekt müssten die Labels vereinheitlicht werden, aber es ist am Wert der Eigenschaft native label (P1705) ersichtlich). Dass "Илья" und "Ilya" (und "Ilja" und "Ilia") verschiedene Versionen desselben Namens sind, wird über said to be the same as (P460) ausgedrückt. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:10, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Carmelo Imperio (Q42385387)Edit

Hi, i dont understand this edit, care to explain?. (why would anyone mistake Carmelo Imperio (Q42385387) with Georg Peter Luck (Q55676263)?. Regards!--Zeroth (talk) 18:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Zeroth, seemingly they are virtual twins (they have identical birth and death dates). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification Valentina.Anitnelav (talkcontribslogs). I've never heard of that term :). I've updated the criteria used to clarify that point. Regards!--Zeroth (talk) 12:27, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Ljudmila/LjudmylaEdit

The reason I deleted the alternative spelling in the label is that this column is meant to represent a valid first name, not a list of possible transcriptions: There is no German first name "Ljudmila/Ljudmyla", so it doesn't make sense to put this in the label. That's what the "also known as" / "alias" column is for (where all transcriptions are already mentioned). --Tkarcher (talk) 09:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Tkarcher, this item represents the valid first name Людмила, which is transkribed differently depending on language (e.g. Russian or Ukrainian). Have a look at the Russian labels of Paul (Q4925623). -Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Frankenstein's AuntEdit

Hi, Just to not doing reorganisation in the same time :

eru [Talk] [french wiki] 12:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi eru, there does not seem to be a literary trilogy (Q13593966) called "Frankenstein's aunt" (there seem to be only two books with the same title character...). I just requested Q327936's deletion: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q327936
Ok good, it's was just why I was merged them. — eru [Talk] [french wiki] 12:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Removing series ordinal from Harry Potter?Edit

Hi, can you describe your reasoning for removing the series ordinal from all the Harry Potter entries? Thanks. -- Fuzheado (talk) 10:03, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Fuzheado, series ordinal (P1545) should be used as a qualifier. It is already present at part of the series (P179). -Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:08, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Great, thanks for the explanation. Sounds like the right way to go. -- Fuzheado (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Cinderella and AschenputtelEdit

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q60558727&type=revision&diff=832324266&oldid=832320763

That change moves it from a data item with interwiki links to one that does not have any. The way to do that is to make a German entry for the original (with the interwiki links) and put the german name as the title of Q11841

Hi RaboKarbakian, Cinderella (Q11841) is about a fairy tale (type), it is not a closed work in the strict sense (there does not exist THE Cinderella, but many, the canonicals being the one by Basile, Perrault and Grimm). Cinderella (Q60558727) is an edition of a translation of the Grimm's version. For that reason I moved the link. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:19, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
The interwiki links are not about the personality type though. The better thing to do is to make the personality type its own wikipedia page and the personality type stuff would be yet another version of the original fairy tale. It is really about the interwiki links. If you really want to sort through the interwiki links and separate out the least links (like if the majority is about the psychology of cinderella and not about the fairy tale, then move the ones that are about the fairy tale over) But I think you will find that the majority of the links are about the tale and the publication and not about the chick.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian, I'm not speaking about the character. This has an own page: Cinderella (Q13685096).
I'm speaking about the circumstances that Cinderella (Q11841) is not about a work, but about an abstract story contained in many works. There exist many versions of this story, the most famous versions being the one by Giambattista Basile (The Cat Cinderella (Q3822509), the one by Charles Perrault (Cendrillon (Q2944224)) and the Brothers Grimm (Cendrillon (Q2944224). Cinderella (Q60558727) is a translation of the Grimm's version (not the one of Perrault or the one of Basile). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk)
If you are able to sort through this stuff, I will not get in your way. The version page for the Lang stuff was the thing I have been skipping. I actually prefer to be an amateur at fairy tales. Not just fairy tales, everything, even... :) --RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

cast member (P161) -> voice actor (P725)Edit

thx for this. can you also set cast member (P161) = no value? Queryzo (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@Queryzo: is there a way to do this via Quickstatements? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 18:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
it was reported in Wikidata weekly summary #327 this may work with "novalue". Queryzo (talk) 19:28, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, it seems to work with csv-commands. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
how did you used this? "novalue" adds the string while novalue adds nothing at all. Queryzo (talk) 07:31, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
@Queryzo: It worked for me only with csv commands (not with V1 commands). There I would use the format (with imdb)
qid,P345
Q934282,novalue
Qxxxx,novalue
...
-Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!Edit

Noticed you've been doing some great work on compositions/recordings lately, just wanted to say thanks! I hope I haven't gotten in your way, I can get a bit excited when I see someone doing quality music edits, doesn't happen that often :-) Moebeus (talk) 20:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Moebeus:, thanks for your improvements! I had a look at your edits and have two questions:
  1. Why do you add instance of (P31) musical work (Q2188189) in addition to song (Q7366)? song (Q7366) is already a subclass of musical work (Q2188189), so this does not seem really necessary to me.
  2. Why do you remove genre (P136) statements from song items? I see that there may be performances of a song in different genres, but it seems to me that most songs are themselves written in the spririt of a certain genre/movement, not just performed. I would conceptualize genre-shifts in performances of a song in terms of performances of a modification of the original song (I tend to additionally add modified version of (P5059), as done at Foxy Lady (Q62033582)). Do you mind keeping those genre-statements also at the song-item?
I'll probably make some alterations to the production dates at the tracks of Three Imaginary Boys (Q1415138), as the production of a song is not limited to its recording and I only considered the recording dates, but apart from that I will leave them alone - if you feel like improving them you won't get in my way :) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:17, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@Valentina.Anitnelav: Hola!
  1. You're not the first person to ask that, see here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Gray#%22musical_work%22_%2F_%22song%22
  2. Unfortunately there is no clear rule here, but it's no secret that I firmly believe genre does not belong on composition, but rather on the interpretation (recording). See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:Usy4w251krvh7833 for some background here. I would add that unless you could get the genre from the sheet music (as would be the case with some waltzes, tangos, blues, etc), then setting genre on the composition should be avoided. About the "spirit in which it was written", I fear that's a criteria a bit too loose / subjective and moreover disregards the importance of a producer and the other band members' role when recording. BUT! All that said I realize that until we reach a consensus this is just my opinion, and I promise not to remove any more of your genre-statements ;)

Have a great day! Moebeus (talk) 11:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

subclass of qualityEdit

Hi mis(tres)s Anitnelav,

Since you reverted one of my edits on quality: what better solution do you suggest for following issue?

value requires statement constraint Help Discuss

entity should have a statement subclass of.


Warm greetings & many salutations, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  13:09, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello KlaasZ4usV,
this is an issue with entity (Q35120) - as entity (Q35120) should be the root element of the ontology, it can't be a subclass of any other element, so every direct subclass of entity (Q35120) (also object (Q488383)) shows this constraint violation. As it is not a mandatory constraint I don't think one should worry too much about it. If it should bother you, you can add an exception to the constraint at subclass of (P279).
Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay, you're probably right. The warning didn't bother me per se. What bothered me much more that you reverted without explanation. The reason you promptly supplied upon request.
Thank you very much indeed & kind regards, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  16:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

@KlaasZ4usV: It is of little importance but your account that I reverted without explanation is not completely true: You removed a statement without explanation (I understand that this is difficult without the possibility to give edit summaries for simple edits) and without a replacement. I expressed my confusion about this (and my reason for reverting) in my edit summary. Have a nice week :) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 07:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Obviously I missed something, due to as we call in Dutch de aard van het beestje. Many times I overlook some details and (re)act [far] too fast. Sorry, Valentina.Anitnelav. Indeed this project (unlike e.g. Wikipedia) lacks a good way to enter a great edit summary. Hope the developers find a way to improve the Wikidata code at this point. Freundliche Gruesse aus Italien,  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

How should I do?Edit

The screenshot (No Lie (Q28225520)), Musixmatch track ID (P6742), single (Q134556). "Society Person" Peppa Pig (talk) 05:32, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello "Society Person" Peppa.
If you just want to add Musixmatch track ID (P6742) without creating a new item: Just add it to the single (Q134556)-item and ignore the constraint. The constraint is not mandatory.
There is also a "diligent" way in case you want to model song-items and its relationship to releases: You can create a new item for the song (I already did it for "No Lie" at No Lie (Q63639213)) and move the appropriate statements there.- Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:42, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Q11425Edit

Hi. About animation (Q11425), it shouldn't be subclass of (P279) filmmaking (Q932586). It doesn't make any sense to consider animation strictly as cinematic productions. The same goes for anime (Q1107) subclass of (P279) animated film (Q202866). Please note that the condition "all instances of these items are instances of those items" is not met.--Sakretsu (talk) 13:38, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I just opened a topic at Talk:Q1107, so let's continue our discussion there :). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Press conferences and depicts (P180) / main subject (P921)Edit

Hi ! I think that for press conferences there is the same distinction as with visual works: main subject (P921) should be about the main subject of the speech/artwork, while depicts (P180) is for less central but still present elements. For instance if during a speech there is a long development about AI and a phrase "as I already said in my previous speech", for me the other speech is depicts (P180) while AI is main subject (P921). What do you think ? Léna (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Léna, to link to the previous speech I would rather use cites work (P2860). Do you have another example where you think some content of a speech deserves mention where main subject (P921) would not be fitting?
I never thought about describing speeches and other political documents, so my thoughts are rather initial, but I don't think that everything present in a speech should be enumerated in Wikidata, probably just the central points. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
My initial motivation for created items about speeches was to create requests about recurring topics. So, even if something is "not important" in a given speech, the fact that it is talked over and over is important. So for the speeches of Emmanuel Macron (Q3052772) you can generate a bubble chart or even a map of everything present in a speech. Of secondary importance, he also tends to cite a lot of classical texts, and I think it would be interesting to have a list of them, even if they might not be that important for a given item. Léna (talk) 17:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
@Léna: I see. In this case it is better to use depicts (P180). For the classical texts cited I would use cites work (P2860), just to make it a bit more structured. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 06:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 17:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 19:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Love is a Song and Love Is a SongEdit

Hello, the items Q15832799 and Q47482573 are about the same topic, only the latter has more descriptions in other languages. Can these items be merged? Thank you. 162.206.202.148 22:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for noticing. It seems that Little April Shower (Q47482573) was originally about another song (Little April Shower)[5] and got repurposed later. I just restored the "Little April Shower"-version and now I think they should not be merged. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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