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Hey Wiki13,

I got the delete notice on a page I was working on, said due to notability. I was using Q64728315 as my template since they are also an online lender. The notability on that page is hidden by a pay wall and that's ok? Trying to learn about what is considered notable when some of the guidelines are up to purposely vague.

[WMF Board of Trustees - Call for feedback: Community Board seats] Meetings with the Wikidata communityEdit

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is organizing a call for feedback about community selection processes between February 1 and March 14. While the Wikimedia Foundation and the movement have grown about five times in the past ten years, the Board’s structure and processes have remained basically the same. As the Board is designed today, we have a problem of capacity, performance, and lack of representation of the movement’s diversity. Our current processes to select individual volunteer and affiliate seats have some limitations. Direct elections tend to favor candidates from the leading language communities, regardless of how relevant their skills and experience might be in serving as a Board member, or contributing to the ability of the Board to perform its specific responsibilities. It is also a fact that the current processes have favored volunteers from North America and Western Europe. In the upcoming months, we need to renew three community seats and appoint three more community members in the new seats. This call for feedback is to see what processes can we all collaboratively design to promote and choose candidates that represent our movement and are prepared with the experience, skills, and insight to perform as trustees?

In this regard, two rounds of feedback meetings are being hosted to collect feedback from the Wikidata community. Two rounds are being hosted with the same agenda, to accomodate people from various time zones across the globe. We will be discussing ideas proposed by the Board and the community to address the above mentioned problems. Please sign-up according to whatever is most comfortable to you. You are welcome to participate in both as well!

Also, please share this with other volunteers who might be interested in this. Let me know if you have any questions. KCVelaga (WMF), 14:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata page Q105645875 has been deleted by Wiki13Edit

@Wiki13: I just got an email notifying me that "Wikidata page Q105645875 has been deleted by Wiki13".

What was that?

In my memory, I think I've cited nearly every Wikidata item I've created in another Wikimedia Foundation project, either Wikidata, Wikiversity or Wikipedia (and I've requested deletion or merging of a few Wikidata items I created by mistake).

If this entry was deleted, it probably created a "time bomb" in one of my contributions. Eventually, maybe, someone else's bot may find the broken link. Then it could be very difficult for me to figure out what exactly was deleted. In the meantime, someone else trying to find that reference will be frustrated.

I appreciate your efforts to help make broadly available the sum of all human knowledge. However, when something like this is deleted without warning, it seems quite user hostile to me. Sincerely, DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi @DavidMCEddy:: I reviewed the item as it was and it did not meet the notability policy. It had no links to articles, served a structural need or had any references that would indicate notability. I will restore the item, but please note this does not prevent any new deletion of the item in the future. --Wiki13 (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
@Wiki13: Thanks. You can delete that: I misspelled "Balegeer". When I later found and fixed the error, Q105645875 indeed became an appropriate candidate for deletion, and [Requests for deletion#Q105645875|I actually requested it's deletion myself, which you just did]]. I was confused, because I placed that request over 4 days ago, on 2021-03-23. When I got the notification of a deletion, I had forgotten I had requested it until I saw what it was.
Might it be feasible to change the deletion process so the emails that people like me get include the following:
  1. Full information on what was deleted?
  2. If it was deleted per a request for deletion, could the email notification of the deletion also include the complete message accompanying the request for deletion?
I would expect that such additional information would likely reduce the numbers of requests like this to "undelete" something -- in addition to reducing the anxiety many users probably feel when notified that something was deleted, but they don't immediately know what it was.
Thanks again for your support of the Wikimedia project and your support for volunteers like me with imperfect memories ;-) DavidMCEddy (talk) 21:21, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
I deleted the page again now per your request. --Wiki13 (talk) 09:42, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@Wiki13: Thanks. May I ask if you are aware of the structure of the email I got triggered by you deletion? It reads as follows:

Dear DavidMCEddy,

The Wikidata page Q105645875 has been deleted on 28 February 2021 by
Wiki13, see

Editor's summary: Does not meet the
[[Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Notability|notability policy]]

Contact the editor:

There will be no other notifications in case of further activity unless
you visit this page while logged in. You could also reset the
notification flags for all your watched pages on your watchlist.

Your friendly Wikidata notification system

When I got this email the first time, I didn't know what had been deleted. "" didn't provide more information. "[[Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Notability|notability policy]]" didn't help, either. That left the third option, "Contact the editor".
I apologize for having taken your time with this.
However, it could be ultimately less work for you and less anxiety for the recipients of such emails if Wikidata procedures were revised to make it easier for the recipients of such emails to understand what was deleted and why.
Thanks again. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:04, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@DavidMCEddy:. Based on what you show me here it looks like a generic email template that is not only used for deletion. I have had of many of such emails for all kinds of different activity and most emails don't show enough information to see what it's really about. I honestly don't know if it's possible to change how it is formatted, since it quite likely will require some adjustments on MediaWiki (the software) side to be able to do so. --Wiki13 (talk) 17:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@Wiki13: Agreed. Where might be the best place to suggest such a change?
I receive several emails a day about articles I'm "watching", mostly on Wikipedia or Wikidata but occasionally Wikiversity, maybe Wikiquote and Commons. For the most part, these are fine -- EXCEPT when it involved deletion. Then it's extremely difficult to get information about what was deleted and why. DavidMCEddy (talk) 18:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)