User talk:Wolverène/2019—2020

Requests_for_permissions/Administrator

Hey Wolverène, I just wanted to thank you for your contributions in Requests_for_permissions/Administrator (listing of facts) which helped me greatly to find my decision. -- Justus Nussbaum (talk) 12:46, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Redirect vs. deletion

Hello Wolverène, I don't understand why you redirected Q62390671 and Q62453966. Wikidata:Requests for comment/Redirect vs. deletion says "Deleting is however appropriate if an item has not been existed longer than 24 hours and if it's clear that it's not in use elsewhere." and I don't think they was used elsewhere. Plus they didn't hve any sitelinks, one had but the page on dewiki was later deleted and I don't think the deleted page was related to 1. So, I am not sure why you redirected them.--BRP ^ever 13:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for pointing. It's probably not a strong violation of the Wikidata policy but of course, you may undo my edits and propose the deletion of these items again. --Wolverène (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. The redirects are now deleted by Jianhui67. :) -BRP ^ever 13:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Sysops' contribs

Hi! You wrote that I haven't enough edits to be an administrator. So, in your opinion, how many edits must have administrator? Thanks!--Di^Mon₂₇₁₁ 22:03, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course I can't name you some definite, subjectively selected number. I don't know on what it may depend. For me, it should be as much as user could contribute, just to make clear that a candidate enough experienced. I'm not saying anything new. 2500-3000 edits were not enough for me and probably for another voters, not much to show that you're ready for the special responsibility at Wikidata. Thanks for you understanding. --Wolverène (talk) 22:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

September 2019

Well, this is a clear POV [1]. You see very well what the name of the English article is. You should have enough experience to understand that, and to know what happens if you continue reverting.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• I know. What I can do if the English article has Russian name and it directly affects Wikidata.

Pls somebody tell that user that Геннадий is English for Gennady (as IRL I'm Gennady too and I know how to spell my name). --Wolverène (talk) 23:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

BTW the Luxembourgish name is still Hennadij Boryssow as there's unspoken policy in the LB WP is to name the articles about persons with their names by passport. As he continue being a citizen of Ukraine, his name by passport is ГеннадIй Борисов and will be translated from Ukrainian. I'll create the article in the LBWP and will make sure that UnderladderSwallow doesn't pry into a language he's unable to speak at all. --Wolverène (talk) 23:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

1. What I can do if the English article has Russian name and it directly affects Wikidata. The English article does not affect Wikidata. Help:Label says: "There is no requirement that an item's label be the same as the page name on its corresponding Wikimedia site." What affects Wikidata English-language label is the principle of common usage: "Because the aim is to use the name that an item would be known by to the most readers, labels should reflect common usage." As to why English-language media uses Gennady and not Hennadiy, the answer is that the astronomer prefers this spelling himself. He named his telescopes "GENON" (in Latin script, see pics: [2], [3]) after himself – not "HENON". Consequently, he named his observatory "MARGO" (Mobil Astronomical Robotics Genon Observatory), not "MARHO". Comets "C/2013 N4 (Borisov)", discovered on July 8, 2013 ([4], p. 84207), and "C/2013 V2 (Borisov)", discovered on November 6, 2013 ([5], p. 85475), use "Borisov" spelling. As you can see, even before the annexation of Crimea, Borisov preferred to spell his last name "Borisov", not "Borysov" (Minor Planet Center uses names submitted by astronomers themselves, in Latin script).

2. Pls somebody tell that user. You can tell me yourself by notifying me {{re|UnladenSwallow}} or leaving a comment on my talk page User talk:UnladenSwallow or on the item's talk page Talk:Q67389917. As to your comment, Google gives 6,600,000 results for Gennady and 2,770,000 results for Gennadiy, so there is no overwhelming preference. I'm Gennady too and I know how to spell my name. I'm sure there are many Gennadiys out there who would tell you the same thing. Your personal experience doesn't matter when editing Wikipedia/Wikidata, what matters is: (1) what the reliable sources say, (2) the common usage.

Regarding the name of this particular person, Google gives 12,200 results for "Gennady Borisov" "comet" and 196 results for "Gennadiy Borisov" "comet", so I will propose to rename his English Wikipedia article to "Gennady Borisov".

3. there's unspoken policy in the LB WP. "Unspoken policy" is not a policy. In the absence of a written policy adopted by the Luxembourgish Wikipedia community, default policy of common usage applies. Since there are no articles about the astronomer Gennady Borisov in Luxembourgish online media (at the time of this writing), the common usage policy must be applied to individual name components. Google gives the following frequency distribution of various spellings of "Геннадий / Геннадій" and "Борисов" in Luxembourgish internet (using site:lu Gennadi etc.):

Spelling	Results
Gennadi	6,820
Gennadiy	1,090
Gennadij	391
Hennadiy	80
Hennadi	2
Hennadij (your proposal)	0

Spelling	Results
Borisov	22,400
Borissov	1,250
Borissow	618
Borisow	183
Borysow	1
Boryssow (your proposal)	0

Note that both the given name and the family name in the spelling you propose, "Hennadij Boryssow", have no precedent in Luxembourgish internet. In other words, you're trying to create a precedent, which you are not allowed to do as a Wikipedia editor. As he continue being a citizen of Ukraine You have to provide a source for this statement. There are people who have renounced their Ukrainian citizenship after the annexation. I couldn't find any information about Gennady Borisov's legal status. his name by passport is ГеннадIй Борисов How do you know that? Is there a scanned copy of his Ukrainian passport somewhere on the internet? I'll […] make sure that UnderladderSwallow doesn't pry into a language he's unable to speak at all I assume from the context that "UnderladderSwallow" refers to me. You can not "make sure" that I do or do not "pry" somewhere. You do not control my activities. I have the same rights as you, on all Wikipedias. There are no rules requiring an editor to speak the language of an international Wikipedia he/she is editing. If the edit is correct, it is accepted regardless of who is making the edit.

If you use Wikipedia as a platform to promote a spelling of your own invention that is not currently used in Luxembourgish language, I will start a dispute with you on the talk page of the article (in Luxembourgish, of course).

4. You have made an incorrect, politically motivated edit. You then made a false, completely baseless accusation against another editor who has corrected your edit. A proper course of action in such circumstances is to apologize for your baseless accusations, not to continue grumbling. — UnladenSwallow (talk) 04:48, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Rio do Peixe

OK, I'll standardise on Peixe River. I was going to follow English Wikipedia's standard, but it has 3 different variants!--Keith Edkins (talk) 14:02, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

• OK. --Wolverène (talk) 14:12, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Schiessentümpel

I do not understand why Q31734744 would be different from Q2529613. Could you please explain? Donarreiskoffer (talk) 09:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• Q2529613 for waterfall, Q31734744 for the area (lieu-dit) that's including waterfall (area and waterfall have the same name), brigde above it and surrounding surfaces. --Wolverène (talk) 10:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Saratov Oblast

Привет! Кстати, спасибо за перевод на вепсский язык названий.

По поводу свойства "location" в объекте 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Saratov Oblast. Вот скрипт Кривые числа заражений по регионам России. (Этот скрипт и другие можно увидеть на странице ru:v:Программирование Викиданных/COVID-19, я их взял у индусов, которые изначально написали эти скрипты и ввели данные по штатам Индии, чтобы отслеживать рост заражений по своим областям.)

Так вот, если этот скрипт запустить, то становится ясным, зачем в нескольких разных местах объекта Q88889018 упоминается "Saratov Oblast". Именно для того, чтобы указать, что у нас есть N инфицированных именно в Саратовской области. Если же добавлять в location другие районы (например, Atkarsky District), то мы получим на этих кривых, что у нас не только в Саратовской области, но и в каждом районе по N инфицированных, но это не так.

Районы (тот же Atkarsky District) по отношению к Саратовской области выступают в той же роли, что Саратовская область по отношению к России. Поэтому если у Вас хватит сил и терпения, то ситуацию по районам можно описать в Викиданных, но также как мы создаём отдельный объект для каждого субьекта РФ со своей статистикой, также можно создать такие же объекты для каждого района Саратовской области. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Вопрос не по теме. Где и как Вы учились вепсскому языку? Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Здравствуйте. Я не задумывался о таком подробном расписывании ситуации в каждом из регионов, поэтому в случае СарОбл конкретные районы можно убрать и вернуть Saratov Oblast. Если расписывать каждый регион, это будет мартышкин труд, потому что это действительно очень долго и данные о конкретных узколокальных очагах заражения всё равно поступают с сильным запозданием, судя по той же Саратовской области, в иных регионах могут не разглашать такие сведения вообще, чтоб не сеять панику.

Вепсский язык стал изучать в 16-17 лет самостоятельно, на волне интереса к финно-угорским языкам, который я подхватил то ли из уроков по географии России, то ли из Википедии, то ли мистическая память предков сыграла (прапрапрабабушка финка-ингерманландка, из предков поближе могла быть мордва). Из всех вепсский язык было чуть проще изучать, к тому же в интернете несложно было найти самоучитель и два словаря. После регистрации здесь какое-то время редактировал вепсскую Википедию, сейчас уже гораздо реже. Особой практики не было никогда.

Я владею базовым вепсским, могу строить несложные предложения и словосочетания, предложения а-ля "околонаучные википедические" могу формулировать только со словарём и долго размышлять над ними. --Wolverène (talk) 07:49, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia

Hello Wolverène!

I need youp help. It is about Q87250732. Another user has created the same entry (Q89654209) but the original Q87250732 already existed. As you can imagine, this caused damage with the interwikis. I tried to fix it, but this ended up creating a thrid one: Q89664529.

Do you know what is the best way to fix this? Greetings, Koreanovsky (talk) 11:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hello! I merged Q89654209 and Q89664529 into the original item of Q87250732.

You can do same next time too, click 'Preferences' -> 'Gadget' and add the check mark next to the gadget 'Merge'. Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 11:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Q90334776

hello sir. 'clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity' includes human? thank you. and how do you measure notability for someone to be eligible to have an article here. thank you. Choikwangmo9 (talk) 00:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hello Choikwangmo9, yes WD:N #2 is actual for humans too. The notability for people (and others) is measuring by presence of at least a couple of references within the statements, and/or in even better case by the presence of at least one link to a Wikimedia project page, also including Commonswiki, if page there has the Wikidata infobox.

In the case of your item it's better to add one or two reference links more. I'd also like to advice you to add more statements (for gender, country of citizenship), however it doesn't directly affect the state of notability. Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 04:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

P.S. As I see the Commons category is existing, with the Infobox including, so it's in fact OK. --Wolverène (talk) 04:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Your little help has the power to change my life on the Internet. Would you mind if I ask you a question here sometimes? If you ever come to Korea, please feel free to contact me. Choikwangmo9 (talk) 02:04, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

That's great! Yes you may ask me for help, but my activity at Wikidata is unpredictable, I may appear once in a day for couple of minutes, or I may be here all day long. --Wolverène (talk) 04:21, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Porn name

When adding porn names to someone's given and family name would it not make more sense to use "object has role" instead of "applies to part"? --Trade (talk) 21:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

• Hello, names usually consist of a given name and a surname, and both are parts of a whole name (be it porn or legal). I believe that "object has role" is for more specific things. For example if the items for 'porn given name' and 'porn surname' would have existed, then each of parts of a scenic name can be an object with its respective role. However, I'm not excluding that I may have problems with understanding of usage of qualifiers. --Wolverène (talk) 04:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
• Context: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q65718263&type=revision&diff=1198837271&oldid=1198837097 --AVRS (talk) 07:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Q95578521

Do you remember what Q95578521 was that you nominated for deletion with "Notability" and Bencemac speedily deleted? --AVRS (talk) 07:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

• Some online shop, I can't remember which exactly. Honestly I didn't really expect it would be deleted so fastly, usually the procedure of deletion is more lengthy. If you believe it was actually notable we may propose Bencemac to restore it. --Wolverène (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

To be more specific - I nominated that, because it had no links from another items (WD:N, criterion #3) and had no references (criterion #2), these both criteria are very important. And it wasn't freshly created, meaning that I haven't nominated that after a couple of hours since creation. --Wolverène (talk) 08:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussing it with Bencemac: Topic:Vnok6avj1t8fp2rr. --AVRS (talk) 08:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I only remember the name was capitalized. Could it be ОНЛАЙН ТРЕЙД.РУ ? --Wolverène (talk) 08:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it is (I hadn't looked for a non-capitalized version other than at the website; it seems that both "ОнЛайн Трейд" and "Онлайн Трейд" are mentioned on the Web). Thanks. I think it fulfills a structural need by making Q55657189 more useful, but I am not sure you have to list every member in that element. --AVRS (talk) 08:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

removal request of Brad Kalvo

Hello! As I see you (may) have a special interest towards Brad Kalvo. I'd like you to help me know the reason of your edits. If you're a Brad's representative and he wants his private data to be removed from Wikidata & Wikipedia, I'll remove this because I understand how important the privacy can be for the people of such a special profession. Otherwise, it's better for you not to vandalize wiki projects, so then please read our introduction to Wikidata and use Sandbox in order to carry out experiments with editing. Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 05:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes the subject Brad Kalvo asks that due to the nature of porn and his having stalkers this information puts him at risk if it could please be removed, i think you have crossed I'm with somone else and much of the information is incorrect and as he doesnt want it there we won't provide the accurate information also you have given a great tool for his removal from work and displacement of housing also publishing the date of birth of living subjects is dangerous for identity theft concerns but also makes it easier for stalkers to find a subject and violate restraining orders. it is also a violation of wikepdias terms of service. as indicated below.

also spokeo in its terms of service says not to publish publicly its data is not public information and is a violation of California law.

“We usually suppress an edit or other information on Wikipedia if it contains the following type of information: 1Non-public personal information about a real individual. This could be private information about you or others.This includes a telephone number, an address or location, the name of a workplace or school, <other online and offline identities,> a <date of birth>, accidentally disclosed IP addresses, and (subject to oversighter judgment) other information of an identifying nature. 2Clearly private, personal, or non-public information.We suppress some highly sensitive and potentially harmful non-public information, even if it does not strictly help "identify" the person. In the past, we have suppressed content such as the self-disclosure of age or date of birth of a minor, or an individual's medical information. This is subject to oversighter discretion.”

Hello, I removed everything which can cause problems with his private rights. The rest of the information here and in the Volapük Wikipedia are publicly known, couldn't violate any rights, and not surprising since he is a notable and known adult actor. You may ask me to add/remove some kind of information about Brad Kalvo if still needed. --Wolverène (talk) 18:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

We sent you an e-mail

Hello Wolverène/2019—2020,

Really sorry for the inconvenience. This is a gentle note to request that you check your email. We sent you a message titled "The Community Insights survey is coming!". If you have questions, email surveys@wikimedia.org.

You can see my explanation here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Q19848

Do not add back VEVO channel for YouTube channel ID because there is her verified channel and it is enough. --5.43.72.55 23:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Why remove Bosnian aliases? --5.43.72.55 23:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

• Why enough? Her official VEVO channel, not a fan channel or smth. Of course the official channel will have preferred rank, the VEVO channel is OK to be of normal or maybe even deprecated rank. I don't see a big problem in both.

What's for the Bosnian aliases, I agree it was too much from my side, however a Cyrillic alias for Bosnian looks somewhat obscure in its turn. --Wolverène (talk) 04:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Also note that the VEVO channel is verified. Greetings, --Wolverène (talk) 05:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

It was enough because simple name and surname should be channel title, plus badge verified to the right. I think VEVO-sponsored channel was not verified when I edited the item; I added it now. Why deprecated? It has normal rank but her own channel is preffered.

It was OK with Bosnian; Cyrillic is used for Bosnian in the same line with Latin script. --5.43.72.55 10:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Notability criteria

Hello Can you please tell me what should be a notability criteria for a person to be on wikidata ? I have edited a few pages and a user named Tulsi Gupta is trying to take personal vengeance by deleting all my works meanwhile if we check his profile out he is a Nepali blogger without any notable links just a wikimedia category which he seems to be vandalising with some admin uploading childhood pictures of himself. As you’re also an film data editor I would like to know more about this from you. Few of my edits are newcomers which were nominated for deletion and I can understand about it but One of my edit is an indian film director with many films and some are also on amazon prime, wouldn’t that be notable ? Theoriser (talk)

• Hello, the notability criteria are listed here. In short, any page should has at least one criterion of following: 1) one or more interwiki links (to Wikipedia, Wikiquote, Commons, etc., and the fact of subject's notability in a local project is not challenged by somebody there); 2) coverage in a couple of serious and publicly available references; 3) a structural need (the page is linked from some another one and this linking is reasonable to some degree). So check your item for appearance of at least one of these criteria, and if they comply with the criteria, the truth may be on you side. :) --Wolverène (talk) 06:03, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response to my previous question, as i told you the editor is taking rash decisions due to some vengence he doesn't edit wikidata usually just did for all my edits, My item had a category in wikimedia commons category previously for a decent amount of time which the same editor deleted. 2. My item has a knowledge panel on google formed with amazon sources as well as more sources, 3. Many references in News Panel Articles about item's films clearly mentioning him multiple times and there is also a file on commons with structural need for the file https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Director_Anurag_Jha_working_on_the_sets_of_Tallukh.jpg of item Q100718737 Would that be enough? Regards. Theoriser (talk)